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Post by Hurbster on Aug 6, 2023 8:46:56 GMT -5
I'll give this an 8, not quite up to the standard of recent WWE pay-per-views. Still very enjoyable, the ME lacked...something for me. The rest of it was great, Logan Paul impresses as always, and Richochet was very good as well, the vet leading him through the match.
I could almost give it a 10 if it's the last of Rousey, though.
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Post by XIII on Aug 6, 2023 8:52:02 GMT -5
Was dog tired and fell asleep and missed like the last three matches, but from what I saw it was a decent show but not one that should have been presented as the huge summer show.
Logs vs. Ricochet was good. Was expecting them do even crazier shit though. lol
Battle Royal. OMOS RETURNS! LA Knight won so that’s cool. I want to say that the WWE will get behind him but at the end of the day that was a nothing battle Royal and he’ll probably feud with the Miz and Waller it something.
Gunther is the man.
Cody vs. Brock was good.
That MMA match should have never been booked. Inoki’s ghost popped though.
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Post by ariestheram on Aug 6, 2023 9:22:44 GMT -5
After sleeping on it and giving it a lot of thought I would rate this show Meh/10. The stadium setup looked cool and the MitB cash in was a nice moment, nothing else really drew me in and I found myself more engaged in scrolling social media.
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Post by Treklubj on Aug 6, 2023 9:27:56 GMT -5
9/10. I agree with whoever said Rousey vs, Shayna would have been better had it had been a regular wrestling match. The right person won but it sucked getting there.
Everything else kept me entertained.
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Post by clc on Aug 6, 2023 9:29:25 GMT -5
5 and a it's a generous 5 from me becasue I was not happy last night.
Logan Paul vs Ricochet. Was a great match. I enjoyed it, but since Ricochet is enhancement talent my investment in this was minimal. Cody Rhodes vs Brock. A good match. There was no story to this feud they could have cut that video package. I'm not really into Cody, my investment was minimal. Battle Royal. Omos! A pointless but fun battle royal. Ronda vs Shayna. This was absolute garbage. Gunther vs Drew. A good match. Felt a bit like a retread. No real complaints. Rollins vs Balor. This was a good match, but like the rest of the card, very been-here-done this. I'm getting tired of Judgement Day so the story here was wasted on me.
Asuka vs Bianca vs Charlotte. Ok. Here's where the show really let me down. I'm a Asuka fan, so obviously I'm sad my girl lost...but, this match was everything I hate about the women's division rolled up into one match. - Asuka treated as an afterthought despite being champion. She even entered second! The disrespect is real! - Bianca being an OP unstoppable perfect Mary Sue with no weaknesses whatsoever. - Charlotte dominating most of the match and refusing to put anyone over. So Asuka's latest title run was utterly pointless. She gets repackaged just to lose to Bianca at Wrestlemania. Complete waste of the new character. Then they give her the belt. Her run is 2 (kinda poor) matches that end in DQ. Then she drops the tile back to Bianca. So this reign can't even be considered a transitional reign! Of course, Asuka has to eat the pin becasue Charlotte sure won't. But the manner in which she gets pinned made her look like trash. First she has to cheat to get Flair out of the picture. Fine, she's a heel right now (I think). But after cheating, she gets rolled up by an injured Bianca. Then, Bianca immediately drops the title to IYO. Everyone in this situation was protected except Asuka. All of this pointless meandering to get the belt on IYO. They could have just done Asuka vs IYO and have Asuka drop the belt. It would probably have been a much better match too. Which leads to my last and saddest disappoint with this one. The match quality was not great. Given the talent involved, I was expecting a classic at least on par with the Auska, Becky, Bianca match form last year.
IYO vs Bianca. A quick cash in match. Happy IYO has a belt, but I feel the cash in is a cheap way to win your first title. She's coming off losses to Zelina Vega. Seeing Dakota come in to celebrate was cute. Don't know where IYO goes from here. Zelina? Asuka? Please do not do Bianca vs Damage CTRL again!
Roman vs Jey. I'm checked out of the Bloodline. My investment in this was beyond minimal. It was non-existent. So I went to bed. I read the result this morning, and I made the right decision.
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Post by Treklubj on Aug 6, 2023 10:16:59 GMT -5
It always interests me how it feels like a lot of the way people rate big WWE cards keys on who actually won each match (or at least a few key ones). Totally get it when people are hyped/bummed because their favorite won/lost, but it's funny to me that in the promotion of "wins and losses don't matter", it feels like a bigger factor in determining a good number of people's enjoyment of a show than it is elsewhere. This has never made sense to me, either. I've seen a lot of complaints about last night's booking, but I'm not sure why. I would have liked to see Ricochet win, but he looked good in the biggest match of his career and Paul needed brass knuckles to get the win. Cody, a dude so many on here called a bitch 4 months ago for losing to Roman, just took 2 of 3 clean from Brock Lesnar. Right call. LA Knight won the battle royal. Right call. Roused vs. Baszler was not good but the right person won, especially if I'm going off the opinions so many here have of Ronda. Gunther is on his way to breaking Honky Tonk Man's person. Are people really surprised or upset he won? I like Drew but this was a phenomenal match and he lost to a guy who hasn't lost a singles match on the main roster. It's not like he walks out of the match looking bad. I imagine most people are cool with Seth winning. Dude can stand mid-ring and have people sing his song until he stops. He's as over as almost anybody in the business. This also continues to build tension within Judgment Day. I'm a huge fan of both Bianca and Asuka but this was the right call and a hell of a cash-in. The crowd I watched with might have popped harder for Iyo's run to the ring with the briefcase than anything on the show. Roman vs. Jey was (I thought) a good match and Roman was always going to win. If people are mad it's because they did a damn good job last night of making the viewer think Jey had a chance to win. That's what they're supposed to do.
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Post by welshpenguin on Aug 6, 2023 10:21:19 GMT -5
9 from me. Roman won, Gunther won, Knight won & Iyo successfully cashed in, I couldn’t have asked for much more. I would have preferred Finn to win but you can’t have it all. Also a fun match with Logan & Ricochet. more sleep ? That’s what I wanted. I feel your pain! It was a long one for sure.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 6, 2023 10:44:08 GMT -5
Was I watching a completely different show from you guys? This show ruled. I felt this was yet another strong PLE in what’s been kind of a crazy quality year for WWE. Logan’s a douche but he and Ricochet had a fun spot fest, Cody/Brock III was a dramatic instant classic, the battle royale was fun and the fans loved the finish, Gunther and Drew murdered each other, the Iyo cash in was a great moment and the triple threat before that was entertaining, and the main event was decent at the worst- at no point did I think Jey was winning, but I couldn’t care less because I wanted to see how the plot of Roman slowly losing his power was going to develop.
The one hiccup for me was the boring-as-shit MMA match that killed the crowd. And BelAir playing Superwoman has made her massively over, that and she’s charismatic and can work so I don’t really mind her being in that position. I’m not going to get into the whole thing about how I believe WWE’s treated Asuka far better than her fans claim, that’s a whole different topic in itself.
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Post by msc on Aug 6, 2023 10:45:55 GMT -5
It always interests me how it feels like a lot of the way people rate big WWE cards keys on who actually won each match (or at least a few key ones). Totally get it when people are hyped/bummed because their favorite won/lost, but it's funny to me that in the promotion of "wins and losses don't matter", it feels like a bigger factor in determining a good number of people's enjoyment of a show than it is elsewhere. To me, it comes back to the core belief held by a lot of the fandom that WWE hates their fans. I’m not going to debate that point one way or the other, but it often means that story beats that are nominally intended to be taken one way, are then taken another completely different way to fit that narrative. It’s why heels can win regularly enough over popular babyfaces in other promotions while in WWE it gets called “misery booking” (mind you, a term that I created to describe us constantly talking about things we don’t want them to book, as an opposite to “fantasy booking”). tbf while it is an overused term, the Reigns title run is the poster child for Misery Booking. Not just the insane amount of segments which are just non-stop heel beatdowns for 10-20 minutes. But the fact its been three years now of WWE building up "ideal" opponents for Reigns, using all their old signpost booking to go "this is the guy", get folk invested, then have them lose via shenanigans and tell the fans "LOL, got you, go sit back in your depressed seat again".
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Post by CeilingFan on Aug 6, 2023 10:51:24 GMT -5
After reading last night's results, I am glad I stopped watching WWE in May 2021.
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Post by Treklubj on Aug 6, 2023 10:54:48 GMT -5
The main event was a slog to get through and now Jimmy turns on his brother. I'm sure we'll get the promo on Friday about how Jey didn't visit him in the hospital or something. Aside from the fact that no part of the Bloodline saga has been that poorly thought out, they have been foreshadowing this exact scenario for a minute. Jimmy has been hating on Jey behind his back ever since it was made known that Jey was the right hand man and heir apparent to the role of Tribal Cheif. Jimmy was always supposed to be the bigger deal of the two (most likely to succeed, prom king, etc.) but became increasingly jealous when Jey began to surpass him. Jimmy's time in the Bloodline actually ended when Jey threw him out ("You out... And I'm out, too!). All the attention from the tag team match was centered on Jey pinning Roman. Post-tag match, Jimmy gets hospitalized while Jey get a Summerslam main event for the title and mantle of Tribal Cheif. Finally, they've spent the last few weeks explaining that the entire family (including Jimmy and the elders) blames Jey's selfishness for the shattering of the Bloodline and the injuries Jimmy sustained. It was shocking when Jimmy interfered, but it makes sense when you think about the story they've told.
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Post by Treklubj on Aug 6, 2023 10:56:41 GMT -5
Was I watching a completely different show from you guys? This show ruled. I felt this was yet another strong PLE in what’s been kind of a crazy quality year for WWE. Logan’s a douche but he and Ricochet had a fun spot fest, Cody/Brock III was a dramatic instant classic, the battle royale was fun and the fans loved the finish, Gunther and Drew murdered each other, the Iyo cash in was a great moment and the triple threat before that was entertaining, and the main event was decent at the worst- at no point did I think Jey was winning, but I couldn’t care less because I wanted to see how the plot of Roman slowly losing his power was going to develop. The one hiccup for me was the boring-as-shit MMA match that killed the crowd. And BelAir playing Superwoman has made her massively over, that and she’s charismatic and can work so I don’t really mind her being in that position. I’m not going to get into the whole thing about how I believe WWE’s treated Asuka far better than her fans claim, that’s a whole different topic in itself. Agree with this entire post.
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Post by WinOwensWin on Aug 6, 2023 11:05:11 GMT -5
I thought it was a fun show but far from perfect. I can't get over how lazy and bored Flair was in the triple threat though.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 6, 2023 11:23:51 GMT -5
Also, Seth vs Finn kicked ass. I don’t see how Judgment Day comes off stupid here, it’s been established that the WHC is important enough that it could be something to cause tensions between Balor and Priest given Finn’s anger within the storyline. There’s interesting options in both Finn as champion, and also Priest cashing in on Rollins and Finn possibly feeling inferior as the supposed leader of the stable except he’s not the Judgment Day member with the title.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 6, 2023 11:26:21 GMT -5
Was I watching a completely different show from you guys? This show ruled. I felt this was yet another strong PLE in what’s been kind of a crazy quality year for WWE. Logan’s a douche but he and Ricochet had a fun spot fest, Cody/Brock III was a dramatic instant classic, the battle royale was fun and the fans loved the finish, Gunther and Drew murdered each other, the Iyo cash in was a great moment and the triple threat before that was entertaining, and the main event was decent at the worst- at no point did I think Jey was winning, but I couldn’t care less because I wanted to see how the plot of Roman slowly losing his power was going to develop. The one hiccup for me was the boring-as-shit MMA match that killed the crowd. And BelAir playing Superwoman has made her massively over, that and she’s charismatic and can work so I don’t really mind her being in that position. I’m not going to get into the whole thing about how I believe WWE’s treated Asuka far better than her fans claim, that’s a whole different topic in itself. you’re not wrong. there was a lot of great on this show, I think the “weird” stuff that a lot of us didn’t agree with was just so egregious that we got pissed off about it. Objectively this was probably a strong 7-8 ppv where the viewer gradually gets more trash thrown at them during the show lmao.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 6, 2023 11:26:52 GMT -5
The main event was a slog to get through and now Jimmy turns on his brother. I'm sure we'll get the promo on Friday about how Jey didn't visit him in the hospital or something. Aside from the fact that no part of the Bloodline saga has been that poorly thought out, they have been foreshadowing this exact scenario for a minute. Jimmy has been hating on Jey behind his back ever since it was made known that Jey was the right hand man and heir apparent to the role of Tribal Cheif. Jimmy was always supposed to be the bigger deal of the two (most likely to succeed, prom king, etc.) but became increasingly jealous when Jey began to surpass him. Jimmy's time in the Bloodline actually ended when Jey threw him out ("You out... And I'm out, too!). All the attention from the tag team match was centered on Jey pinning Roman. Post-tag match, Jimmy gets hospitalized while Jey get a Summerslam main event for the title and mantle of Tribal Cheif. Finally, they've spent the last few weeks explaining that the entire family (including Jimmy and the elders) blames Jey's selfishness for the shattering of the Bloodline and the injuries Jimmy sustained. It was shockinh when Jimmy interfered, but it makes sense when you think about the story they've told. Exactly, we get caught up too much on Roman winning, we fail to see that objectively it all makes sense
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 6, 2023 11:29:35 GMT -5
It always interests me how it feels like a lot of the way people rate big WWE cards keys on who actually won each match (or at least a few key ones). Totally get it when people are hyped/bummed because their favorite won/lost, but it's funny to me that in the promotion of "wins and losses don't matter", it feels like a bigger factor in determining a good number of people's enjoyment of a show than it is elsewhere. To me, it comes back to the core belief held by a lot of the fandom that WWE hates their fans. I’m not going to debate that point one way or the other, but it often means that story beats that are nominally intended to be taken one way, are then taken another completely different way to fit that narrative. It’s why heels can win regularly enough over popular babyfaces in other promotions while in WWE it gets called “misery booking” (mind you, a term that I created to describe us constantly talking about things we don’t want them to book, as an opposite to “fantasy booking”). I do think the history of WWE seemingly delighting in dragging things out on their audience plays a role, but I think it goes a bit deeper: WWE’s style, where the finish of a match is really the only thing that matters, has kind of trained the audience to tune out most of what comes before it as white noise. The old saying goes “it’s the journey that matters, not the destination”, but the bulk of WWE’s match layouts don’t really place much emphasis on the journey. There’s definitely exceptions; it certainly reads like Cody vs. Brock last night tried to tell an in-ring story, even if people felt the story leading into the match was lacking, and Gunther’s run really feels different from most “WWE formula” matches because it kind of demands you pay attention to the match, itself. But much of the time the matches really do fall into a pretty rote formula, no matter what the narrative or build up the those matches, so it’s kind of conditioned viewers to think “none of this is very important until the ending sequence kicks in”. As such, it makes it harder to get people invested in stories where their favorite loses a big match but did things during the match that has you intrigued about where they go next; instead, the match doesn’t really serve enough of a purpose, so the *only thing* left to be invested in is “ok, so did they win or not?”, because the match itself won’t really shape those characters moving forward. Like, what makes Roman’s defenses interesting? It’s the same match over and over again, all that matters is “who’s gonna interfere THIS time?” It’s really why the in only matches in WWE I’ve felt interested in going out of my way to see over the last five years involved Brock, Gunther, or Samoa Joe; they felt/feel like the only people who get to color outside the lines (and even Joe got screwed on that, I felt) and feel more authentic as characters and different from “usual WWE matches” where match psychology isn’t overly emphasized.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 6, 2023 11:33:43 GMT -5
Watching this show and how much filler was on it. I’m not buying for a second that thru couldn’t have used Becky, Trish, and Rhea.
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Post by krozor on Aug 6, 2023 11:38:58 GMT -5
Jimmy's time in the Bloodline actually ended when Jey threw him out ("You out... And I'm out, too!). All the attention from the tag team match was centered on Jey pinning Roman. Post-tag match, Jimmy gets hospitalized while Jey get a Summerslam main event for the title and mantle of Tribal Cheif. Finally, they've spent the last few weeks explaining that the entire family (including Jimmy and the elders) blames Jey's selfishness for the shattering of the Bloodline and the injuries Jimmy sustained. It was shocking when Jimmy interfered, but it makes sense when you think about the story they've told. I honestly don't think any of that really makes sense. Jimmy's time in the Bloodline ended when he kicked Roman in the face and then convinced his brother Jey to double kick Roman in the face. Jimmy didn't just get randomly hospitalized. His cousin Roman and his other brother Solo beat him up so badly he spent a month in the hospital, only for him to come back and stop the brother who sided with him from getting revenge on the cousin and brother who put him in the hospital. The Bloodline was shattered because Jimmy kicked Roman in the face, and Jimmy sustained injuries because /i] he kicked Roman in the face and and shattered the Bloodline himself, only to immediately come back and stop Roman from being beaten.
There's no walking out of this without the outcome being Jimmy being the biggest, #1 dumbass in the company. If it's purely "I should be the Tribal Chief" why would he not simply challenge Jey for it after the match? If it's because he's evil, why not just jump Jey after the match and beat him up? If it's because he wanted to beat Roman...I mean, Jey had to stay loyal to Roman for three years because Roman was essentially threatening to kill Jimmy if Jey ever left. Jimmy's all "I'm doing what you should have done a long time ago!" to Jey when the reason Jey didn't do it was to stop Roman from killing Jimmy. Jimmy does it, and Roman...basically kills him. And then Jimmy comes back and is mad at Jey? And he's essentially made Roman even more impossible to be beat than ever because now if he tries to beat Roman, not only is Solo (who helped put Jimmy in the hospital) there to stop him, but he guarantees that Jey will now also be motivated to run in and stop him (pausing to put in a disguise first for some reason), too?
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Post by Treklubj on Aug 6, 2023 12:38:54 GMT -5
Jimmy's time in the Bloodline actually ended when Jey threw him out ("You out... And I'm out, too!). All the attention from the tag team match was centered on Jey pinning Roman. Post-tag match, Jimmy gets hospitalized while Jey get a Summerslam main event for the title and mantle of Tribal Cheif. Finally, they've spent the last few weeks explaining that the entire family (including Jimmy and the elders) blames Jey's selfishness for the shattering of the Bloodline and the injuries Jimmy sustained. It was shocking when Jimmy interfered, but it makes sense when you think about the story they've told. I honestly don't think any of that really makes sense. Jimmy's time in the Bloodline ended when he kicked Roman in the face and then convinced his brother Jey to double kick Roman in the face. Jimmy didn't just get randomly hospitalized. His cousin Roman and his other brother Solo beat him up so badly he spent a month in the hospital, only for him to come back and stop the brother who sided with him from getting revenge on the cousin and brother who put him in the hospital. The Bloodline was shattered because Jimmy kicked Roman in the face, and Jimmy sustained injuries because /i] he kicked Roman in the face and and shattered the Bloodline himself, only to immediately come back and stop Roman from being beaten.
There's no walking out of this without the outcome being Jimmy being the biggest, #1 dumbass in the company. If it's purely "I should be the Tribal Chief" why would he not simply challenge Jey for it after the match? If it's because he's evil, why not just jump Jey after the match and beat him up? If it's because he wanted to beat Roman...I mean, Jey had to stay loyal to Roman for three years because Roman was essentially threatening to kill Jimmy if Jey ever left. Jimmy's all "I'm doing what you should have done a long time ago!" to Jey when the reason Jey didn't do it was to stop Roman from killing Jimmy. Jimmy does it, and Roman...basically kills him. And then Jimmy comes back and is mad at Jey? And he's essentially made Roman even more impossible to be beat than ever because now if he tries to beat Roman, not only is Solo (who helped put Jimmy in the hospital) there to stop him, but he guarantees that Jey will now also be motivated to run in and stop him (pausing to put in a disguise first for some reason), too?The Bloodline-ending segment was actually Jey deciding whether Jimmy got to stay a member of the Bloodline. That happened. As far as it ending when Jimmy kicked Roman, the end actually came when kicked him after the quote I referenced in my last post. Further, go back and look at the segment. Jimmy actually looks stunned. He only kicks Solo when Solo charges at Jey, Jey moves and he is about to crash into Jimmy. Same thing with the double kick on Roman. That only comes when Roman encroached him. Jey breaking up the Bloodline is clearly the story WWE has been telling since June. There is a video of the segment on one of WWE's official YT pages labeled "Jey Uso takes his talents away from the Bloodline." There is another official video titled "Jey Uso ends the Bloodline" from the same show. Everything I said in my post has actually either happened or been said on TV over the past month. You mentioned Jimmy being the #1 dumbass in the company if any of what I typed is accurate. Would you agree that the gaslighting of the Usos has been a common occurrence over the past 3 years? I'm not saying you should agree with Jimmy Uso (he's a heel who just beat up his twin brother and cost him the world title). I am saying you can see the story that has been told and it is a very good one.
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