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Post by darbus alan on Aug 7, 2023 9:24:11 GMT -5
I bet Sheamus thinks Roman couldn't even manage a Target.
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Post by Fade on Aug 7, 2023 9:26:40 GMT -5
So much of what he says could also apply to himself (shoved down throats, nobody gave a shit etc) except Sheamus was a flop and Roman is a success. Dang, this thread’s just full of wicked burns. He’s right in a sense, but it applies to the other wrestling company too. There’s only so much time and the “stars” will be prioritized. Can it be argued it’s excessive with Roman? Absolutely. Can it also be argued it makes sense? Yes, that too. One thing Sheamus has said recently I completely agree with is his potential after clash at the castle wasn’t capitalized on as much as it should have been. Completely disagree with his take on Barbie though.
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Post by Treklubj on Aug 7, 2023 9:34:03 GMT -5
Oh oh oohhh! These words are true! It's got to be frustrating how Roman was given everything. I like Roman, I think he's good; but, he is not head and shoulders above anyone else. Seeing how there probably have not been three joints in the past two decades that are more over than the Tribal Chief / Bloodline thing, I'd say he's head and shoulders above a lot of people. Also, to say he's been given everything is weak. When his current character began, he wasn't getting the amount of TV time, schedule and match time he's getting now. That has grown as the popularity of the character/story has grown. He earned that. He didn't work harder than anyone else to earn his spot. He certainly ain't working harder than anybody now. Roman didn't grab the brass ring. Vince just gave it to him. He didn't work harder than anyone else? What are you basing this on? I guess this happens in every company when someone less deserving gets the promotion. And in every company, employees resent it. You are correct about this.
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Post by Sparkybob on Aug 7, 2023 9:47:49 GMT -5
I am sure to be a wrestler you have to be your biggest fan so resentment is always going to occur in all companies. Especially when there is typically abstract reasons why person X is in the main event and person Y is in the mid card
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Aug 7, 2023 9:50:24 GMT -5
I'm glad for Roman that he finally turned into the star they thought he was, but no denying it took a long time. Something would've been seriously wrong if after 5 years of being pushed as hard as he was, it didn't start to click. And to be fair to Roman, it felt at times like they weren't even all in on him. Guy got his ass kicked a lot.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 7, 2023 18:15:42 GMT -5
The 20 minute thing simply cannot be true. I broke down on one of the threads a few weeks ago that if that segment really went over by 20 minutes then the original plan was for it to go 5 minutes and 38 seconds. Those 5 minutes and 38 seconds included everybody's entrances and a 1 minute and 35 second video. It can easily be true, I just watched that stupid thing and gotta say that your maths doesn't add up. Firstly, you're not including the initial commercial break which still counts as alloted time in a live performance, going over that still counts, so now they're closer to 35 minutes showtime compared to the 30 mins ending when the ambulance holding the Usos leaves the building which closes that segment (on my vid the Usos enter at 4:24 and the ambulace leaves at 33:33), alos there's another commercial break straight after the beatdown, but before the ambulace segment, so we have to add that time as well. Secondly, they had another two segs to close the show (1:16:59-1:23:35) with another commercial in-between, which also adds their overall alloted time to roughly 40 minutes, and that's without commercials, and it's probalby safe to say that final segment probalby didn't have it's time cut up as agressively as the rest of ther show either. So if we believe that, it means time's probably getting taken away elsewhere to account for this as well. Now if we assume their beatdown went long (23:35-31:46), which is pretty frickin' obvious with how slow and laboured it is (along with a pointless and prolonged Solo Sikoa side-eyeing Roman Reigns moment that adds absolutley nothing), that's probably at least 5 mins they didn't need here alone. Then there's a whole lot of extended periods of guys standing around doing nothing during the promo before that, so problably more drawn out time there as well. It all adds up pretty easily, because even ingoring commercials the show runs approximately 1 hour and 23 mins, and the Bloodline stuff takes up around half of that time.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 7, 2023 18:17:56 GMT -5
So much of what he says could also apply to himself (shoved down throats, nobody gave a shit etc) except Sheamus was a flop and Roman is a success. Dang, this thread’s just full of wicked burns. He’s right in a sense, but it applies to the other wrestling company too. There’s only so much time and the “stars” will be prioritized. Can it be argued it’s excessive with Roman? Absolutely. Can it also be argued it makes sense? Yes, that too. One thing Sheamus has said recently I completely agree with is his potential after clash at the castle wasn’t capitalized on as much as it should have been. Completely disagree with his take on Barbie though. It’s not just Sheamus. Becky, Rhea, Trish, Seth, and Owens have all admitted to creative frustrations in recent months.
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Post by Treklubj on Aug 7, 2023 18:31:50 GMT -5
The 20 minute thing simply cannot be true. I broke down on one of the threads a few weeks ago that if that segment really went over by 20 minutes then the original plan was for it to go 5 minutes and 38 seconds. Those 5 minutes and 38 seconds included everybody's entrances and a 1 minute and 35 second video. It can easily be true, I just watched that stupid thing and gotta say that your maths doesn't add up. Firstly, you're not including the initial commercial break which still counts as alloted time in a live performance, going over that still counts, so now they're closer to 35 minutes showtime compared to the 30 mins ending when the ambulance holding the Usos leaves the building which closes that segment (on my vid the Usos enter at 4:24 and the ambulace leaves at 33:33), alos there's another commercial break straight after the beatdown, but before the ambulace segment, so we have to add that time as well. Secondly, they had another two segs to close the show (1:16:59-1:23:35) with another commercial in-between, which also adds their overall alloted time to roughly 40 minutes, and that's without commercials, and it's probalby safe to say that final segment probalby didn't have it's time cut up as agressively as the rest of ther show either. So if we believe that, it means time's probably getting taken away elsewhere to account for this as well. Now if we assume their beatdown went long (23:35-31:46), which is pretty frickin' obvious with how slow and laboured it is (along with a pointless and prolonged Solo Sikoa side-eyeing Roman Reigns moment that adds absolutley nothing), that's probably at least 5 mins they didn't need here alone. Then there's a whole lot of extended periods of guys standing around doing nothing during the promo before that, so problably more drawn out time there as well. It all adds up pretty easily, because even ingoring commercials the show runs approximately 1 hour and 23 mins, and the Bloodline stuff takes up around half of that time. My math was based off the opening segment which was how the 20 minute overage was reported a few weeks ago. Here is my math: 4:45: Start of Usos entrance 11:15: Start of commercial break 15:20: Return from commercial 35:28: End of segment / Go to commercial 29 minutes 43 seconds from beginning of entrance to end of segment. 4 minutes 5 seconds for commercial. They would have originally allocated 5 minutes and 38 seconds of screen time to the initial Bloodline segment. Also, it should be noted the Ehibit A video package was 1 minute 35 seconds. That leaves 4 minutes and 3 seconds. Finally, the useless time for Solo's side-eye was possibly extended because the crowd lost its shit when he eyed the Ula Fala lying in the middle of the ring.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 7, 2023 18:46:44 GMT -5
It can easily be true, I just watched that stupid thing and gotta say that your maths doesn't add up. Firstly, you're not including the initial commercial break which still counts as alloted time in a live performance, going over that still counts, so now they're closer to 35 minutes showtime compared to the 30 mins ending when the ambulance holding the Usos leaves the building which closes that segment (on my vid the Usos enter at 4:24 and the ambulace leaves at 33:33), alos there's another commercial break straight after the beatdown, but before the ambulace segment, so we have to add that time as well. Secondly, they had another two segs to close the show (1:16:59-1:23:35) with another commercial in-between, which also adds their overall alloted time to roughly 40 minutes, and that's without commercials, and it's probalby safe to say that final segment probalby didn't have it's time cut up as agressively as the rest of ther show either. So if we believe that, it means time's probably getting taken away elsewhere to account for this as well. Now if we assume their beatdown went long (23:35-31:46), which is pretty frickin' obvious with how slow and laboured it is (along with a pointless and prolonged Solo Sikoa side-eyeing Roman Reigns moment that adds absolutley nothing), that's probably at least 5 mins they didn't need here alone. Then there's a whole lot of extended periods of guys standing around doing nothing during the promo before that, so problably more drawn out time there as well. It all adds up pretty easily, because even ingoring commercials the show runs approximately 1 hour and 23 mins, and the Bloodline stuff takes up around half of that time. My math was based off the opening segment which was how the 20 minute overage was reported a few weeks ago. Here is my math: 4:45: Start of Usos entrance 11:15: Start of commercial break 15:20: Return from commercial 35:28: End of segment / Go to commercial 29 minutes 43 seconds from beginning of entrance to end of segment. 4 minutes 5 seconds for commercial. They would have originally allocated 5 minutes and 38 seconds of screen time to the initial Bloodline segment. Also, it should be noted the Ehibit A video package was 1 minute 35 seconds. That leaves 4 minutes and 3 seconds. Finally, the useless time for Solo's side-eye was possibly extended because the crowd lost its shit when he eyed the Ula Fala lying in the middle of the ring. Dude, you can double down on this as much as you want, but I’m not interested in being gaslit over pro wrestling.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 7, 2023 18:56:18 GMT -5
My math was based off the opening segment which was how the 20 minute overage was reported a few weeks ago. Here is my math: 4:45: Start of Usos entrance 11:15: Start of commercial break 15:20: Return from commercial 35:28: End of segment / Go to commercial 29 minutes 43 seconds from beginning of entrance to end of segment. 4 minutes 5 seconds for commercial. They would have originally allocated 5 minutes and 38 seconds of screen time to the initial Bloodline segment. Also, it should be noted the Ehibit A video package was 1 minute 35 seconds. That leaves 4 minutes and 3 seconds. Finally, the useless time for Solo's side-eye was possibly extended because the crowd lost its shit when he eyed the Ula Fala lying in the middle of the ring. Dude, you can double down on this as much as you want, but I’m not interested in being gaslit over pro wrestling. You’re not being gaslit, those are the actual runtimes of the segment. The reports were that the opening segment went 20 minutes long.
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Post by Treklubj on Aug 7, 2023 18:56:59 GMT -5
My math was based off the opening segment which was how the 20 minute overage was reported a few weeks ago. Here is my math: 4:45: Start of Usos entrance 11:15: Start of commercial break 15:20: Return from commercial 35:28: End of segment / Go to commercial 29 minutes 43 seconds from beginning of entrance to end of segment. 4 minutes 5 seconds for commercial. They would have originally allocated 5 minutes and 38 seconds of screen time to the initial Bloodline segment. Also, it should be noted the Ehibit A video package was 1 minute 35 seconds. That leaves 4 minutes and 3 seconds. Finally, the useless time for Solo's side-eye was possibly extended because the crowd lost its shit when he eyed the Ula Fala lying in the middle of the ring. Dude, you can double down on this as much as you want, but I’m not interested in being gaslit over pro wrestling. Gaslit? You came in hot talking about my math not working and I showed it to you. If the math is wrong, show it to me.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 7, 2023 18:59:13 GMT -5
I don't read this as a burial, just Sheamus speaking his feelings and being honest. He's not wrong in any of what he said either.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Aug 7, 2023 19:47:04 GMT -5
I don't read this as a burial, just Sheamus speaking his feelings and being honest. He's not wrong in any of what he said either. Sheamus is free to speak his mind. He doesn’t have to tow the company line if he doesn’t feel like.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Aug 7, 2023 20:08:43 GMT -5
I don't read this as a burial, just Sheamus speaking his feelings and being honest. He's not wrong in any of what he said either. Sheamus is free to speak his mind. He doesn’t have to tow the company line if he doesn’t feel like. Between Sheamus here and the clips I've seen from Dolph Ziggler's interview I'm glad more people are speaking out about it.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Aug 7, 2023 20:23:23 GMT -5
Tony Khan needs to stop being such a little bitch and reign in these guys who are criticizing the company it makes him look weak and... oh wait.
My poor attempt at a wind-up aside I wonder if HHH will have a word with Sheamus about this interview as well as with Rhea and Becky about their tweets of discontent. Probably best not to let this stuff bubble up inside of talent.
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Post by The Gallus Mark on Aug 7, 2023 20:24:21 GMT -5
I feel like the thread title is one of those clickbait titles that I always avoid, because most likely they are either a virus or not that bad and a waste of time to read
This falls into the 2nd category.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Aug 7, 2023 20:45:58 GMT -5
Tony Khan needs to stop being such a little bitch and reign in these guys who are criticizing the company it makes him look weak and... oh wait. My poor attempt at a wind-up aside I wonder if HHH will have a word with Sheamus about this interview as well as with Rhea and Becky about their tweets of discontent. Probably best not to let this stuff bubble up inside of talent. Becky was done dirty AF. Not having Trish vs Becky at Summerslam is like not having Roman vs Cena on the show
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 7, 2023 20:48:03 GMT -5
One thing as far as if he's bitter Roman's the top guy they stuck with or he was pushed down everyone's throat and failed is that like. Yeah, frankly, I think he has a lot of reason to complain. He got the archetype garbage Vince push in the main event spot, looked terrible giving awful promos that were clearly hand-scripted by Vince to be a big success (and weren't), one of his big career moments is him being booked so badly it turns another guy into a megastar and blows back on him for the unfair favoritism the office tried to throw his way at someone else's expense, and then he was given up on. But then Roman failed and failed and failed in all the same ways but they didn't give up on him and finally gave him something big and successful, and once he caught fire even a little bit they ran all the way to the bank with it. For years they put everything into Roman until finally something clicked. Sheamus definitely got opportunities that failed, but he didn't get half as many as Roman did.
People in the company gas up tons of people about how they're the next big thing. There's a whole graveyard of guys Vince gave the rah rah top guy speech to and then lost interest in when his experiment failed. Wrestlers get gassed up about seizing opportunities and then never given meaningful opportunities, and that's got to take a toll. I can't blame Sheamus for feeling any of that because he had to live that cycle.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Aug 7, 2023 21:05:18 GMT -5
I feel like the thread title is one of those clickbait titles that I always avoid, because most likely they are either a virus or not that bad and a waste of time to read This falls into the 2nd category. Lol I think the thread title was suppose to be sarcastic
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 7, 2023 23:45:45 GMT -5
One thing as far as if he's bitter Roman's the top guy they stuck with or he was pushed down everyone's throat and failed is that like. Yeah, frankly, I think he has a lot of reason to complain. He got the archetype garbage Vince push in the main event spot, looked terrible giving awful promos that were clearly hand-scripted by Vince to be a big success (and weren't), one of his big career moments is him being booked so badly it turns another guy into a megastar and blows back on him for the unfair favoritism the office tried to throw his way at someone else's expense, and then he was given up on. But then Roman failed and failed and failed in all the same ways but they didn't give up on him and finally gave him something big and successful, and once he caught fire even a little bit they ran all the way to the bank with it. For years they put everything into Roman until finally something clicked. Sheamus definitely got opportunities that failed, but he didn't get half as many as Roman did. People in the company gas up tons of people about how they're the next big thing. There's a whole graveyard of guys Vince gave the rah rah top guy speech to and then lost interest in when his experiment failed. Wrestlers get gassed up about seizing opportunities and then never given meaningful opportunities, and that's got to take a toll. I can't blame Sheamus for feeling any of that because he had to live that cycle. Yeah... when Roman was soundly rejected by the fans for almost 7 years before the Tribal Chief run. And people can talk about how people eventually accepted Cena... but at his worst he was getting 50/50 chants, and the top merch seller. Post shield pre-Chief Roman wasn't. He sold merch but he was constantly outsold by other people... while he certainly had fans they were very vocally not the majority... All while tons of people were way more over than him were completely ignored and used only to put over either Roman or Brock in their quest to make sure everyone knew that only Roman and Brock mattered.
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