Renslayer
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
every time i come around your city...
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Post by Renslayer on Aug 9, 2023 17:18:36 GMT -5
Very good. By and large someone who could give you a good match and with the right opponent x storyline, could give you something you'll remember forever
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Rudy Gobert Fadeaway
Ozymandius
MAMMA MIA! CRUISERLICIOUS!
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Aug 9, 2023 17:28:48 GMT -5
Slutty yet dependable
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Post by Some Guy on Aug 9, 2023 17:31:07 GMT -5
The guy next to the guy that's the real star. Whether that's Austin/Rock or Batista/Cena. He was really great in 2000 but other than that he just became this weird forced epic guy that really dragged down so many different eras and times.
Even beyond his WrestleMania slogs, he was capable of some of the most outright annoying matches ever. That HIAC with Shawn that went almost 48 minutes is one of my go to examples of this. Doing a nearly hour long slow paced epic 2 years into a feud in a Cell made me hate everyone involved.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 9, 2023 17:42:58 GMT -5
Good but selfish and insecure. Once his position in the WWF\E was cemented, where he was guaranteed a push, a title run any time he fancied and could never be fired, he chose to cut droning promos about how great he is first thing every monday night, have his opponents fellate him or smile like goons while being run down and generally worked feuds where most of his opponents came out looking worse than they did having come in. Thanks to his selfishness, he never got the 'One more match' chant he desperately wanted at the end of his in ring career from an audience that loved Attitude era holdovers, a wound which was entirely self inflicted.
He wanted to be Flair, but a 10 year old fan's version of him. A Flair who kicked peoples butts and was the smartest, wittiest person in the room at all times, a Flair who'd cut promos running down Sting and would beat him too.
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A Little Doo Doo
Salacious Crumb
An unconventional man with unconventional methods.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Aug 9, 2023 17:49:54 GMT -5
HHH getting "You tapped out" chants at SummerSlam when he was expecting a standing ovation is still one of the funniest moments ever. I enjoy a lot of what he's done, but he's also one of those guys who makes it so easy to laugh at him.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 9, 2023 17:55:39 GMT -5
Good but not great. I've made this point before but the vast majority of his best matches had stipulations attached where a lot of smoke and mirrors were used to enhance the match e.g. Street Fights, 3 Stages of Hell, Hell in a Cell, Ladder Match etc. How many great regular 1-on-1 matches has he had? It is funny that a lot of his most renowned matches sold without stips basically became ref bump clusterf***s anyway. Like that Taker match at Mania 17, which is basically a hardcore match. Or even the match he drops the belt to Rock in 2000, which has so much shit going on outside the actual match. For great singles matches that don’t have that sort of shit going on, I can think of the Bryan match at Mania… and that’s all that’s coming to me off the top. There’s probably a couple of obvious ones I’m missing, but he really is a product of his era. Which makes it so funny how he was occasionally sold as this pure pro wrestling genius. Thinking about his crutches, it does explain a little how he’s booked this Roman Reigns run. Main event heel cheats through his teeth, while announcers, on-screen personnel, and even the guys he cheats out of winning present him as an amazing and dominant wrestler… hmm, where have I seen that before?
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Aug 9, 2023 17:56:10 GMT -5
He ain't a top five.
It'd be a stretch to say he's in the top ten too.
Top 15 without a doubt.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Aug 9, 2023 17:58:04 GMT -5
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mcstoklasa
Hank Scorpio
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Post by mcstoklasa on Aug 9, 2023 18:14:33 GMT -5
He had tons of great matches and feuds
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J. Hova
Don Corleone
Emotionally exhausted and morally bankrupt
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Post by J. Hova on Aug 9, 2023 19:19:47 GMT -5
He's the guy who worked with the guy who drew the money. There's nothing wrong with that but for the vast majority of his career, that is what he was.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 9, 2023 22:21:32 GMT -5
For the most part, a forced legend. Someone who the audience were told was/is an icon, rather than organically being one.
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4real
Wade Wilson
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Post by 4real on Aug 9, 2023 22:47:32 GMT -5
I was never much of a fan but can’t deny how good some of his work was. He has some of my favourite matches ever. He’s up there but obviously not top tier.
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beefy
Trap-Jaw
OHHH YESSSSSSS
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Post by beefy on Aug 10, 2023 6:15:46 GMT -5
A knock off and a ball licker but has the benefit of the McMahons to ensure his legacy is favorable
Started out as a Regal bootleg Then became a HBK ball licker Then became Diet Shawn Michaels Finally comes into his own for a few years and is probably the best in the world at that point His leg explodes, he discovers roids and bombs a face run Becomes bootleg Ric Flair (with bootleg Horsemen!) Then discovers his love of denim, Latin, and Vikings and becomes bootleg BikerTaker (“the ultimate ass kicker”) At some point does PG DX? is lame for a year or 2 Then becomes a bootleg Mr McMahon (with bootleg Corporation!) Has a snoozer in the main at the highest attended WM ever
What he’s done since retiring/backstage is a different story but his in-ring career is a “forced legend” who had an incredible peak, followed by the worst 3-4 year stretch for a main event talent
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clifford
King Koopa
Shingo Takagi stan
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Post by clifford on Aug 10, 2023 6:43:02 GMT -5
For the most part, a forced legend. Someone who the audience were told was/is an icon, rather than organically being one. Best one-line description of Trips that I have ever seen.
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Post by ThatDudeThatExsists on Aug 10, 2023 7:26:33 GMT -5
A knock off and a ball licker but has the benefit of the McMahons to ensure his legacy is favorable Started out as a Regal bootleg Then became a HBK ball licker Then became Diet Shawn Michaels Finally comes into his own for a few years and is probably the best in the world at that point His leg explodes, he discovers roids and bombs a face run Becomes bootleg Ric Flair (with bootleg Horsemen!) Then discovers his love of denim, Latin, and Vikings and becomes bootleg BikerTaker (“the ultimate ass kicker”) At some point does PG DX? is lame for a year or 2 Then becomes a bootleg Mr McMahon (with bootleg Corporation!) Has a snoozer in the main at the highest attended WM ever What he’s done since retiring/backstage is a different story but his in-ring career is a “forced legend” who had an incredible peak, followed by the worst 3-4 year stretch for a main event talent Ball licker is a very homophobic statement.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Aug 13, 2023 10:01:49 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett on steroids (in more ways than one). He was always a capable worker, but he was pushed so heavily at some points it was embarrassing. A silver lining of WWE switching gears to Cena in going after the kiddy demographic is that they had to deemphasize Triple H, at least some what.
The worst thing about Triple H though were his LOOONG repetitive promos, often put at the start of TV shows.
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lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 13, 2023 10:11:25 GMT -5
Once an internet darling (for real look up how many posts claiming Triple H is being held down by SCSA and The Rock) from 99-01 to being the guy the internet complains about during the reign of terror. His legacy is an odd one. I dunno if I saw someone fall from favor so quick, although Marc Mero mightve been that guy if the internet was prominent when he was killing it as Johnny B Badd to his WWF run.
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 13, 2023 10:16:03 GMT -5
Its hard to escape a sense that HHH was at his best (after 2001) when he wasn't being indulged with his bloated/big deal matches. Put him in more low key stuff or bouts that were more driven by the narrative of his opponent, and he could be great. Allow him to put on his grand epic match, and you often got a very overbooked endeavor that took too long and hit the point of diminishing returns.
Its funny, because for a guy that idolized Flair so much, be was so often someone not nearly as unselfish in ring as the latter was, which hurt things as the need for him to be the cool badass hindered what matches could be. Its not a coincidence that his WM main event with Bryan was one of the very best because it was more about DB being the underdog then making HHH seem awesome.
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repomark
Unicron
For Mash Get Smash
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Post by repomark on Aug 13, 2023 10:41:47 GMT -5
He is definitely in the conversation when listing all time greats, but I agree that his status is massively overstated by WWE, which is the main reason for the hate he gets. That and some bad booking decisions where he should not have gone over (Booker T, Lesner, Punk and Sting stick out most).
But his body of work alone is enough to put him up there as a top tier talent. Classics with the likes of Undertaker, HBK, Austin, Rock, Benoit, Foley, Batista, Daniel Bryan, Flair and many more I have forgotten.
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tirtefaa
Unicron
If you wanna know the truth, you gotta dig up Johnny Booth.
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Post by tirtefaa on Aug 13, 2023 11:06:17 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett on steroids (in more ways than one). He was always a capable worker, but he was pushed so heavily at some points it was embarrassing. A silver lining of WWE switching gears to Cena in going after the kiddy demographic is that they had to deemphasize Triple H, at least some what. Jarrett isn't even remotely in Triple H's league. Even though he was heavily pushed, Triple H at least felt like a star. Jarrett on the other hand never ever felt like he was the star they made him out to be. Jarrett thought he could be a Ric Flair style of wrestler when he didn't an ounce of Flair's charisma. And WWE going to Cena route led to Triple H beating Cena clean, then ending up on Smackdown, where he laughed off losing matches to Jeff Hardy, and then refused to put him over for the title. He continued by having stinker matches with Kozlov and Edge. He would then main event WrestleMania 25, beating Orton at a time when Orton absolutely didn't need his legs cut out from underneath him again. And let's not forget about Pedigreeing Londrick because he thought it made him look cool. This was such an embarrassing time to watch.
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