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Post by chrom on Aug 21, 2023 16:30:34 GMT -5
Sylvester, Tom, Pete, the list goes on. In the history of animation, For some reason if there's a cartoon character who is the antagonist that gets beaten up or have an anvil fall on them, 9/10 times, it's going to be a cat. Rare exceptions being The Orphan Kittens or Pussyfoot.
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tirtefaa
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Post by tirtefaa on Aug 21, 2023 17:15:00 GMT -5
Want to see a good cat get treated horribly? Watch the Merry Melodies short "Fresh Airdale" by Chuck Jones. Jones had a knack to abuse cats, but this one really stood out because the cat is a loyal pet, while his dog companion is mean, self loathing, corrupt and greedy.
And guess what? The dog ends up being treated as the hero all throughout the short, despite doing absolutely nothing to deserve it, and it most cases actually working against the forces of good.
It's got to be one of the most cynical cartoons I've ever seen.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 21, 2023 17:20:31 GMT -5
I think it's a thing where since they're predators it makes them easy antagonists, but there isn't a lot that can actually be intimidating about them under most circumstances like with dogs (which are also a natural step up the food chain from them), which makes them easy target for both having more vulnerable animals turn the tables on them and having them suffer at the hands of stronger ones.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Aug 21, 2023 17:22:53 GMT -5
Cats are assholes.
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tirtefaa
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Post by tirtefaa on Aug 21, 2023 17:26:55 GMT -5
Counter argument;
Felix the Cat
Beans
Top Cat
Oliver
Sylvester Jr.
Stimpy
The Cat in the Hat
Garfield
Snagglepuss
The Cheshire Cat
Heathcliff
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 17:28:36 GMT -5
The perception of Cats vs Dogs is wild seriously specially in the midwest or south...It's certainly common for cats to be seen as more feminine and dogs more masculine which as a lover of both has always been a bit odd to me as if that means a cat is a lesser animal. Cats around rural IL/IN are treated more like racoons unfortunately than dogs.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 21, 2023 18:34:48 GMT -5
Cartoons made me think cats and dogs were mortal enemies, but if you can imprint them on each other they can be the best of friends.
My first dog (a Westie) also was just really friendly and he was friends with all the neighborhood cats. Like he'd just chill out with this black cat as big as he was.
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Post by Rocky Raccoon on Aug 21, 2023 18:37:05 GMT -5
The Samurai Pizza Cats were my first introduction to positive cat rep in animation and I was so grateful for it.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 21, 2023 18:44:53 GMT -5
Counter argument; Felix the Cat Beans Top Cat Oliver Sylvester Jr. Stimpy The Cat in the Hat Garfield Snagglepuss The Cheshire Cat Heathcliff SWAT Kats? |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 21, 2023 18:45:44 GMT -5
The Samurai Pizza Cats were my first introduction to positive cat rep in animation and I was so grateful for it. Mine was Oliver and Company, then SWAT Kats for the small screen. |
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Post by Starshine on Aug 21, 2023 19:18:58 GMT -5
Counter argument; Felix the Cat Beans Top Cat Oliver Sylvester Jr. Stimpy The Cat in the Hat Garfield Snagglepuss The Cheshire Cat Heathcliff SWAT Kats? Thundercats? |
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Post by Zombie Mod on Aug 21, 2023 19:28:35 GMT -5
they were evil, they kept beating the shit out of an old age pensioner who may have had mental health issues (well that and they kept shitting on his lawn every day.) |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 21, 2023 19:36:09 GMT -5
they were evil, they kept beating the shit out of an old age pensioner who may have had mental health issues (well that and they kept shitting on his lawn every day.) Old Man Mumm-ra deserved it for not being cool with the kids. |
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Post by Zombie Mod on Aug 21, 2023 19:44:57 GMT -5
they were evil, they kept beating the shit out of an old age pensioner who may have had mental health issues (well that and they kept shitting on his lawn every day.) Old Man Mumm-ra deserved it for not being cool with the kids. they killed all his pets, it cost him a fortune to get more koi carp sent from earth. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 21, 2023 19:47:15 GMT -5
Old Man Mumm-ra deserved it for not being cool with the kids. they killed all his pets, it cost him a fortune to get more koi carp sent from earth. I mean... that's hard since Third Earth is Earth >_> |
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Post by Zombie Mod on Aug 21, 2023 19:52:52 GMT -5
they killed all his pets, it cost him a fortune to get more koi carp sent from earth. I mean... that's hard since Third Earth is Earth >_> time travel is ridiculously expensive. |
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Post by CMWaters on Aug 21, 2023 19:57:51 GMT -5
Want to see a good cat get treated horribly? Watch the Merry Melodies short "Fresh Airdale" by Chuck Jones. Jones had a knack to abuse cats, but this one really stood out because the cat is a loyal pet, while his dog companion is mean, self loathing, corrupt and greedy. And guess what? The dog ends up being treated as the hero all throughout the short, despite doing absolutely nothing to deserve it, and it most cases actually working against the forces of good. It's got to be one of the most cynical cartoons I've ever seen. Counter cartoon that I can't remember the name of was where a dog and cat were warned about if they caused trouble they would get kicked out. A yellow bird (not Tweety) secretly aided in that happening. But at the end it's revealed that the cat snuck out the bird too, holding it in his mouth with the teeth acting like prison bars for the bird. |
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Post by schizo on Aug 21, 2023 20:23:22 GMT -5
Counter argument; Felix the Cat Beans Top Cat Oliver Sylvester Jr. Stimpy The Cat in the Hat Garfield Snagglepuss The Cheshire Cat Heathcliff EEK! the cat |
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Post by CMWaters on Aug 21, 2023 21:20:12 GMT -5
Counter argument; Felix the Cat Beans Top Cat Oliver Sylvester Jr. Stimpy The Cat in the Hat Garfield Snagglepuss The Cheshire Cat Heathcliff Penelope Pussycat, though she was more often a victim to Pepe LePew (but that's a whole different conversation). |
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Aug 22, 2023 0:30:10 GMT -5
Anime seems to treat cats a bit better. Doraemon, Sailor Moon and Venus' cat... the hot cat girl announcer in Yu Yu Hakusho. Et cetera. Joking aside, enough examples in Western media that disproves the idea - if any, seems more like a case where cartoonists are less inclined to make a dog unsympathetic.
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