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Post by The Rick Jericho on Sept 1, 2023 18:20:12 GMT -5
The WCW name, if marketed right could be a cash cow for WWE. And I don't just mean nWo shirts. From Nitro to Jim Crockett Promotions, they could do so much more promotion as a nostalgic brand or apparel. They released some DVD's but there was so much more from the vault they have never released.
It's funny how they never even bother to have a WCW one night stand show, but gave ECW two and a brand revival.
Do you think WWE is doing a good job with the WCW legacy or are they truly just bought it so it would never get the limelight they once had ever again as their rival?
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 1, 2023 23:02:12 GMT -5
I feel neutrally about it, so I voted Approve, just since I know it's going to lose, anyway.
They absolutely do underutilize WCW, like it's embarrassing that they used Starrcade like once to squat on it, but haven't put in even the minimum effort with it when it'd be the easiest thing in the world to make more use out of it.
That being said, the WCW brand also doesn't carry the romance of an ECW, so I do understand why they've milked it less. Vince did try to get a WCW branch going when he bought WCW, sort of a brand split before the brand split. No one with the money to make it work was interested at all. WCW had completely slashed and burned their own reputation by then, and even if they hadn't, the big names almost all would have just sat on the contracts they had rather than make the leap, anyhow, likely.
Still, WWE could, and should, do more with this stuff if they have it, anyway.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 2, 2023 1:17:28 GMT -5
It's easy to say no because they could have done more, from the invasion to proving the maxim that history is written my the victors.
However I voted yes because they've been good archivists. It remains the biggest fear after the merger that those that care about such things dwindle and it all becomes less accessible or is lost entirely.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 2, 2023 3:21:58 GMT -5
Conrad Thompson approves of the way WWE spitefully ignores WCW's legacy. Because he is pocketing all that money that WWE is leaving on the table.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 2, 2023 4:33:36 GMT -5
The WWE handled WCW so badly they have people to this day believing that ECW was comparable in reach and in fanbase. They gave the fans the WCW fanbase the finger for a decade then went 'oops, we could have made a lot more money from our archives if we hadn't crapped on WCW, we'll do better now.' Even then they had to have Sting job to Hunter in a way that put over former WWF guys.
WCW could have been a huge money-spinner for them, but the damage has been done. They can't uneat that Apple.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Sept 2, 2023 7:13:25 GMT -5
As long as they are presenting the shows on whatever and not talking, fine.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 2, 2023 7:40:58 GMT -5
The good is the way they've actually preserved the footage and have made a lot of it available.
The bad is, as mentioned above, just squatting on WCW IPs that they have no intention of using or even attempting to profit off of, and the fact that the grand narratives of the "war" still need to fit into WWE's version of how things went down, of what was good or bad about WCW, etc. The Crockett/NWA/WCW name had a lot of cache in large swaths of the country, and it's not a wonder so many of those fans just walked away when Vince bought them.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Sept 6, 2023 8:52:40 GMT -5
That Sting w/NWO vs HHH w/DX felt like WCW's history as localized by 4kids.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Sept 6, 2023 10:05:18 GMT -5
Conrad Thompson approves of the way WWE spitefully ignores WCW's legacy. Because he is pocketing all that money that WWE is leaving on the table.
That's because Conrad is a financial carny, the respectable white collar version of a carny, as opposed to wrestling's more colorful and less respected kind of carny.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Sept 6, 2023 10:05:52 GMT -5
They’ve absolutely shit the bed with it. Not because of something beyond their control, but because they pushed and strained and made sure they shit the bed.
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Post by tafkaga on Sept 6, 2023 10:21:00 GMT -5
WCW has been gone long enough that I don't think the brand has any serious marketability, but yes their handling of the IP was utterly incompetent. Really, I would have been satisfied if they'd just continued the lineage of the big gold belt, kept Starrcade alive as their big December show, maybe Halloween Havoc.
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 6, 2023 10:28:18 GMT -5
In his new book, Eric Bischoff noted he's glad WWF won the war, because it WCW had won-WCW would still be out of business. So even though WWE may not take care of the legacy like we'd want, they have at least put things out to preserve the history.
I think if Hunter had total control we'd see more with the history-at least the early days, pre 1990s when he was with WWF. Like when Ric, Dusty and Harley were on top the same times.
I personal would rather have WWE have control over the WCW legacy than see AEW copying WCW here and there.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 6, 2023 11:02:33 GMT -5
They mishandled it from second they had it.
InVasion is the biggest selling non big 4 show they ever did, outselling most Manias in history, and they did that with two main eventers from WCW and a bunch of midcarders who nobody cared about but me.
750,000 buys. Think about that. Think about how nowadays AEW doing 100-150,000 four times a year is a mega success.
They could have made ALL THE MONEY in Western wrestling and milked it for at least a year. And the archival work has been good, but could have been so much better. Including WCW and ECW in their continuity could have made WWE booking better.
Even when Sting finally showed up, Hunter would look a lot better beating Sting, top guy of our biggest competitor than he did beating Sting, the biggest fish of a small pond full of piss.
At basically every turn, even when doing a good job with it, they have given the fans AND themselves so much less than they could have.
It is WWE spite encapsulated tbh
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 6, 2023 11:06:28 GMT -5
WWE don't even value their own history.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Sept 6, 2023 12:04:02 GMT -5
To be fair, a member of the lWo is the US Champion right now.
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Post by DoubleDare on Sept 6, 2023 12:08:05 GMT -5
They don't even care that the gap of World Championship Episodes they still haven't put up from Mid 89 until it was renamed Saturday Night in 92.
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Post by DichEvans on Sept 6, 2023 12:16:30 GMT -5
The WCW name, if marketed right could be a cash cow for WWE. And I don't just mean nWo shirts. From Nitro to Jim Crockett Promotions, they could do so much more promotion as a nostalgic brand or apparel. They released some DVD's but there was so much more from the vault they have never released. It's funny how they never even bother to have a WCW one night stand show, but gave ECW two and a brand revival. Do you think WWE is doing a good job with the WCW legacy or are they truly just bought it so it would never get the limelight they once had ever again as their rival? I was always a WWE guy, but burying WCW really just seemed to exist to only feed VKM's ego |
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 6, 2023 13:18:10 GMT -5
Conrad Thompson approves of the way WWE spitefully ignores WCW's legacy. Because he is pocketing all that money that WWE is leaving on the table.
That's because Conrad is a financial carny, the respectable white collar version of a carny, as opposed to wrestling's more colorful and less respected kind of carny.
Oh I'm not arguing that. I agree with you 1,000% lol. But the guy's been able to monetize wrestling Nostalgia unlike anybody else. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 6, 2023 13:33:21 GMT -5
That Sting w/NWO vs HHH w/DX felt like WCW's history as localized by 4kids. It’s more like if Max Landis did another wrestling video involving it where he basically got most of the info wrong and made up a story to justify it. Except the difference is that Landis wouldn’t have the resources and manpower to actually do the due dillegance but not because those on top want to brag about beating WCW forever. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Sept 6, 2023 15:21:24 GMT -5
I don't care for the documentaries where they tend to focus more on the negative. I do like that they've made so much of WCW history available as close to in tact as music rights fees will allow for anyone who is curious enough to look at it themselves.
Ultimately, at this point I don't really care that much. It's been over 20 years since WCW went under. When I was a kid in the 90s, no one cared about 1970s wrestling - good or bad. The fact that you can even watch WCW shows is doing better service to history than most wrestling companies that aren't around anymore.
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