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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2023 14:37:51 GMT -5
Here's what I see as reality for Shinsuke:
Dude will not be winning the top title of NJPW or AEW anytime soon even if he left for those companies tomorrow. I guess he could win the WWE title but I don't really see that either. This means that if he wants to win a "top" title he would have to go to a place that is a decently large step down from WWE (TNA/ROH/etc). At that point is it really a "top" title? Is the story "I couldn't win the big one in WWE so I left and did it in TNA" really that great of a story? I highly doubt he wants to do that and I can't really see a reason for him to do so unless he really want to hold a title with the word "world" in it. You can wish he left because you want to see him win a title or wrestle new people but to act like it's clearly the best career decision for him to make is a bit disingenuous. You want him to leave for purely selfish reasons which is fine, but you shouldn't try to act like its in his best interest. The reality is WWE is almost assuredly the best place for Shinsuke at this stage of his career in terms of placement on the card and money made.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Sept 5, 2023 14:40:28 GMT -5
I think he'd care more if he was ten years younger. At this stage in his career, winning the title is not important to him.
I get the frustration though, Bryan Danielson is my favorite wrestler of all time.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 2, 2023 20:52:58 GMT -5
Well, he’s got one more crack at beating the choke artist allegations ar Fastlane on Sunday. Though, consistently getting the upperhand on Seth doesn’t help his chances whatsoever.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 3, 2023 1:00:17 GMT -5
I think he'd care more if he was ten years younger. At this stage in his career, winning the title is not important to him. I get the frustration though, Bryan Danielson is my favorite wrestler of all time. It also probably is a thing of, he's been world champion before elsewhere, and arguably was in WWE, even, with the NXT title. (It's... kinda/sorta a world title? It's unclear.) He gets paid and he gets to go surf. That's probably most of what he wants in life these days. It's sort of like how Ultimo Dragon wasn't in WWE long, apparently in part because they wanted him to unmask. (He wasn't even fully opposed to the idea but felt they didn't really have a follow up that'd justify it.) A more desperate wrestler will push more, or take dubious assignments for the hope of bigger things, but veterans sometimes have the freedom to say, "I don't want it THAT bad."
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 3, 2023 2:04:03 GMT -5
I think he'd care more if he was ten years younger. At this stage in his career, winning the title is not important to him. I get the frustration though, Bryan Danielson is my favorite wrestler of all time. Danielson has won the top accolades in WWE, has one of the greatest moments in the last like 25 years in WWE, and has a Hall of Fame career in WWE. In AEW, he recently just beat Okada via Submission and Zack Sabre Jr. among others. Has he lost some world title matches? Yes, but this comparison doesn't work to me. You can't really compare Danielson's run with all the successes it's had at the top and all the big names he even still continues to beat with how Nakamura has been booked in every big time match on the main roster in WWE especially compared to even his NXT run. Whether he's cool with it or not it's much more frustrating this dude's been given like a dozen world title matches on every stage and he's lost them all and is just gonna keep doing so.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 3, 2023 8:08:40 GMT -5
I think he'd care more if he was ten years younger. At this stage in his career, winning the title is not important to him. I get the frustration though, Bryan Danielson is my favorite wrestler of all time. Danielson has won the top accolades in WWE, has one of the greatest moments in the last like 25 years in WWE, and has a Hall of Fame career in WWE. In AEW, he recently just beat Okada via Submission and Zack Sabre Jr. among others. Has he lost some world title matches? Yes, but this comparison doesn't work to me. You can't really compare Danielson's run with all the successes it's had at the top and all the big names he even still continues to beat with how Nakamura has been booked in every big time match on the main roster in WWE especially compared to even his NXT run. Whether he's cool with it or not it's much more frustrating this dude's been given like a dozen world title matches on every stage and he's lost them all and is just gonna keep doing so. Thing is, you don’t necessarily need the world title in order to have a meaningful run. And I think Shinsuke has for sure had a meaningful run. And he’s not on Danielson’s level either (he’s the best in the world and has been for a long time) so I don’t think it’s some travesty if he’s not the face of the brand.
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Post by chronocross on Oct 3, 2023 9:03:36 GMT -5
I caught some of the segment last night, Shinsuke is not winning.
I can appreciate them trying to make him a threat to the World Title but I see him probably feuding with Ricochet after Saturday.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 3, 2023 9:07:31 GMT -5
What's the point in doing the match twice if Seth is just going to win both of them?
I'm not even that big a fan of Nakamura but he deserves even a short run with a world title, even if it's this shitty third-rate one.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 3, 2023 9:19:39 GMT -5
What's the point in doing the match twice if Seth is just going to win both of them? I'm not even that big a fan of Nakamura but he deserves even a short run with a world title, even if it's this shitty third-rate one. If you are going to give a dude this many chances, you have him take at least one. Nakamura should win at Fastlane.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 3, 2023 9:37:29 GMT -5
What's the point in doing the match twice if Seth is just going to win both of them? I'm not even that big a fan of Nakamura but he deserves even a short run with a world title, even if it's this shitty third-rate one. To have a good couple of PPV matches, to give Seth some adversity with some people doubting whether he’ll retain, to get Nakamura over as an upper midcard heel moving forward, to make people think that Priest might cash in, plenty of reasons that don’t have to result in Nakamura winning. Would be fun if he did win but I’m not expecting it.
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Post by msc on Oct 3, 2023 12:33:23 GMT -5
I'm assuming Nakamura knackers out himself and Rollins for the cash in.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Oct 3, 2023 12:42:25 GMT -5
*Seth Wins* Shinsuke grabs mic.
Shinsuke: "Nobody tells me when to get up. I get up on my own terms."
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 3, 2023 15:46:33 GMT -5
Danielson has won the top accolades in WWE, has one of the greatest moments in the last like 25 years in WWE, and has a Hall of Fame career in WWE. In AEW, he recently just beat Okada via Submission and Zack Sabre Jr. among others. Has he lost some world title matches? Yes, but this comparison doesn't work to me. You can't really compare Danielson's run with all the successes it's had at the top and all the big names he even still continues to beat with how Nakamura has been booked in every big time match on the main roster in WWE especially compared to even his NXT run. Whether he's cool with it or not it's much more frustrating this dude's been given like a dozen world title matches on every stage and he's lost them all and is just gonna keep doing so. Thing is, you don’t necessarily need the world title in order to have a meaningful run. And I think Shinsuke has for sure had a meaningful run. And he’s not on Danielson’s level either (he’s the best in the world and has been for a long time) so I don’t think it’s some travesty if he’s not the face of the brand. It was more that it sounded like he was saying Danielson was on the level of what was happening to Nakamura, and it's simply not true Nakamura's had a fine run in WWE, but I don't know if anyone has had more world title opportunities and lost them than Nakamura actually has in WWE. Even Ziggler won a world title at one point.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Oct 3, 2023 18:09:49 GMT -5
Come on Hunter, just this once. PLEASE.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 7, 2023 21:55:59 GMT -5
And to what should be the surprise of no one, Nakamura bottles it again.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 7, 2023 21:57:14 GMT -5
Shinsuke had his best performance in forever tonight. Good on him.
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Post by Renslayer on Oct 7, 2023 21:57:18 GMT -5
Breh
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 7, 2023 21:57:28 GMT -5
I hate last man standing matches but that was an especially blah end
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Oct 7, 2023 21:58:56 GMT -5
am i going f***ing crazy or were there like... five or six spots that legitimately could've won the match for nakamura in there?
very good match but what the f*** man. how do you not end a match after the mist spot, the finisher into the corner table, etc
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 7, 2023 21:59:08 GMT -5
And to what should be the surprise of no one, Nakamura bottles it again. The King of Bottle Style
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