The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
AGGRESSIVE Executive Janitor of the Third Floor Manager's Bathroom
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 5, 2023 10:43:43 GMT -5
That Dark Knight Quote. You know the one.
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khali
Dennis Stamp
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Post by khali on Sept 5, 2023 10:53:17 GMT -5
One of the greatest of his generation who had the chance to solidify his legacy with one last great run—until he threw it all away and hurt his reputation. He was so close to having an all time great run to go out on, and he couldn’t finish. His in ring work prior to the meltdown was so good, I think some of the best of his career. And then, well . . .
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Sept 5, 2023 13:29:20 GMT -5
In years to come the more recent controversies and negativity will calm, it won't be forgotten but overall I think it will pale into comparison with his highest highs.
I hate to compare the two because the shit Warrior did is so much worse but when most people think of the Warrior, they think of beating Hogan at Wrestlemania 6. With Hogan himself it's slamming Andre and the nWo, not so much the racism, subsequent lawsuits or even Bash at the Beach 2000. That's not to say nobody remembers those things of course but in terms of legacy the controversies are asterisks and little more.
Far more people have seen the pipebomb, MITB 2011 etc. even his initial return to AEW which was electric.
Edit: just checked and the official debit video has 16 million views !
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 5, 2023 13:39:35 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior without the bigotry. A massive star in the business who'd have been even more successful if he could just get out of his own way. Time will heal a lot of wounds and he's very lucky that he doesn't have anything truly unforgivable in his closet like being a bigot or a sex abuser or something like that.
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Post by Urn Anderson on Sept 5, 2023 14:27:04 GMT -5
I feel like he's going to be remembered as someone who spearheaded the shift toward major promotions focusing on indy stars and fought against the old guard, and then couldn't deal with focus being on being on younger indy guys who didn't kowtow to him because he was part of the old guard now. So, basically, quite a hypocrite.
I also think the "CM Punk" chants are going to stick around like the "what?" chants as a sign the audience doesn't like what they're being presented.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 5, 2023 23:25:35 GMT -5
He'll be an even more polarizing figure than before. As someone already said, Punk was someone whose face could've undoubtedly ended up on pro wrestling's version of Mount Rushmore had he decided to move on from his grudges. Instead, he's gonna go down as another wrestler who've let their personal problems and ego get the best of them, akin to Billy Graham and Ultimate Warrior. A legacy that will now be forever tarnished. two guesses 1. we have no idea because more wild shit will happen after this 2. a guy who kept screaming for change and when that change arrived, actively fought against it for the betterment of himself I thought about Rock's promo on him in 2013 last night. The one where Rock says Punk talked about revolution and change, but didn't change a damn thing. Punk might have gotten his ice cream bars, but that's about it because the promo still rings true. He never did change the game, just talked about it. and was angry when other people actually did bring about the change he always talked about.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 5, 2023 23:26:36 GMT -5
I feel like he's going to be remembered as someone who spearheaded the shift toward major promotions focusing on indy stars and fought against the old guard, and then couldn't deal with focus being on being on younger indy guys who didn't kowtow to him because he was part of the old guard now. So, basically, quite a hypocrite. I also think the "CM Punk" chants are going to stick around like the "what?" chants as a sign the audience doesn't like what they're being presented. I can't really remember the last time I heard a CM Punk chant really used that way though.
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Post by Andee9001 on Sept 6, 2023 2:14:13 GMT -5
Depends on if he returns to the WWE and how it would go.
I think he'll be remembered as a guy who opened a lot of doors for a lot of indy guys who didn't quite fit the mold. Guys like Seth, Cesaro and their ilk probably would have made it but guys like Bryan, Mox, Owens and Sami were guys who like Punk didn't fit the mold and it was because Punk showed that a guy like him could make it.
Personally though i'll also remember him as a bitter old bastard who drove friends away and flamed out of 2 companies.
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repomark
Unicron
For Mash Get Smash
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Post by repomark on Sept 6, 2023 2:15:41 GMT -5
I remember watching his WWE documentary and thinking: “I really like Punk the performer, but I don’t like him much as a person.”
For years I thought I might be being harsh - at least he was being genuine in the documentary unlike so many other wrestlers - but I think that assessment has sadly been confirmed during his AEW run.
I would love to hear him answer the same question, because deep down he must know he is the problem and no one else.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Sept 6, 2023 3:15:34 GMT -5
A magic chartreuse colored circus monkey that can fly and play 90s pop songs on the hurdy gurdy.
Its gonna be a wild next 10 years.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Sept 6, 2023 5:16:26 GMT -5
Think he's got the capacity to become a verb for sabotaging a handy number. Dude was given his own show, with his own belt, his own roster and his own creative and he still managed to go and CM Punk it all up.
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lucas_lee
Hank Scorpio
Heel turn is finished, now stripping away my personality
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 6, 2023 6:30:58 GMT -5
Think he's got the capacity to become a verb for sabotaging a handy number. Dude was given his own show, with his own belt, his own roster and his own creative and he still managed to go and CM Punk it all up. I think Punk overestimated at how much TK will go to bat for him
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Post by Urn Anderson on Sept 6, 2023 7:08:11 GMT -5
I feel like he's going to be remembered as someone who spearheaded the shift toward major promotions focusing on indy stars and fought against the old guard, and then couldn't deal with focus being on being on younger indy guys who didn't kowtow to him because he was part of the old guard now. So, basically, quite a hypocrite. I also think the "CM Punk" chants are going to stick around like the "what?" chants as a sign the audience doesn't like what they're being presented. I can't really remember the last time I heard a CM Punk chant really used that way though. That’s honestly good to hear. It seemed to mostly be a WWE thing, and I admittedly haven’t kept up with WWE closely in the last few years.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Sept 6, 2023 7:16:56 GMT -5
Great, groundbreaking wrestler who was at the forefront of the 2000s generation of indy wrestlers becoming bonafide main event stars in the big leagues despite the perceptions of some "traditionalists".
Also, a silly bugger.
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Post by rajaah on Sept 6, 2023 8:39:58 GMT -5
This question is one that I can't even begin to answer because this guy's legacy could go in so many directions. He could be remembered as anything from A) Someone who went to WWE and redeemed himself and closed his career on a high note, to M) Someone who flamed out in AEW and couldn't be happy and just went home and got old, at least content with his last match being against Samoa Joe in front of 81,000 people, to Z) Something more akin to Chris Benoit's legacy.
Or anything in-between.
I may not like the guy anymore, but I really hope things don't end badly for him.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 6, 2023 8:53:16 GMT -5
I can't really remember the last time I heard a CM Punk chant really used that way though. That’s honestly good to hear. It seemed to mostly be a WWE thing, and I admittedly haven’t kept up with WWE closely in the last few years. Some fans kept trying to start them at All Out but it was barely audible and got shouted down every time.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 6, 2023 8:57:08 GMT -5
Z) Something more akin to Chris Benoit's legacy. No offense meant here but people really need to stop comparing his legacy to people that did things that were flat out reprehensible on a level far beyond his. I've seen these comparisons made in a few places and they're so off the mark. What Punk did was terrible, but getting in a fight with your boss and getting fired over it is nowhere near the level of someone who flat out murdered his family or commited some other horrible crime like Moolah or Snuka did.
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Post by fg on Sept 6, 2023 9:03:45 GMT -5
I feel like he's going to be remembered as someone who spearheaded the shift toward major promotions focusing on indy stars and fought against the old guard, and then couldn't deal with focus being on being on younger indy guys who didn't kowtow to him because he was part of the old guard now. So, basically, quite a hypocrite. I also think the "CM Punk" chants are going to stick around like the "what?" chants as a sign the audience doesn't like what they're being presented. Back in the day, someone on this board imagined what it would be like if WM took place at Wrigley Field and CM Punk was in the main event. The CM Punk chants at that stadium with its surrounding residential area (the stadium was built in 1914 during a time when stadiums were in residential areas) would have been amazing.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Sept 6, 2023 9:15:09 GMT -5
Z) Something more akin to Chris Benoit's legacy. No offense meant here but people really need to stop comparing his legacy to people that did things that were flat out reprehensible on a level far beyond his. I've seen these comparisons made in a few places and they're so off the mark. What Punk did was terrible, but getting in a fight with your boss and getting fired over it is nowhere near the level of someone who flat out murdered his family or commited some other horrible crime like Moolah or Snuka did.
CM Punk is a petulant man-baby asshole. Part of the reason there's an 800+ page thread about his shenanigans is because the dude is just next level at being a petty bitch. Talking about it, poking fun at it, being amazed at the audacity he has, is just easier because end of the day, nobody really got hurt, save for Punk himself. And, in all honesty, outside of wrestling, Punk seems like an okay, if humorless and overly self-serious person who supports good causes.
Benoit, Snuka, Moolah, Buck Zumhoff... those are real, true monsters.
CM Punk banning Adam Page from Collision is, end of the day, hilarious in its pettiness and audacity, whereas the aforementioned are just the worst humanity has to offer.
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dbsot
Bubba Ho-Tep
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Post by dbsot on Sept 6, 2023 9:45:06 GMT -5
After thinking about this, I came up with a more accurate answer. He will be remembered as someone that created his own glass ceiling. If Punk could have just been a less combative person, he would have had the world in AEW. An owner who adored him, a fanbase that was excited for him to join them, a show built for him and the top billing.
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