Most of the Stables Suck and Bring Down Their Most Talented

[LiamMcDuggle]

Outside of the BCC, maybe 1-2 others, these stables have almost always sucked. When you're main mouthpiece/leader is a career jobber and dancing like a clown, everyone is going to look like a jobber by association.


There is a reason Al Snow was not in Evolution. Or that when Virgil joined the nWo it immediately hurt the concept. These optics matter.

[This Player Hating Mothman]

I'm trying to figure out what group is being headed by a dancing jobber, and you. You don't mean The Mogul Embassy where Prince Nana comes out dancing behind the terrifyingly cold prestige television villain, do you? Because wow no hard disagree there.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

I like how I read your last post in your other thread, which stated "I should have been clearer in my initial statement", and then immediately after, I read whatever this is... because what the f*** are you even talking about here?? Lol

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

hey i'm not a fan of saraya either but you don't have to compare her to the olive garden emperor

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

I need to do a current stable rundown here because of how confused I am at this statement

BCC- Great Stable, Yuta's a former PURE Champion, Claudio current ROH Champion, Moxley current International Champion, they don't lose very often

Best Friends- Just won Stadium Stampede, Statlander is TBS Champion, OC is now regarded as one of the best singles champions in AEW History

Bullet Club Gold- Maybe my favorite faction in all of wrestling right now. Perfect fit with the Gunns, Juice is money, Jay White is a star.

JAS- Jericho won the ROH belt with this group, Daniel Garcia won the PURE Title with this group, relatively successful, competed in a Blood and Guts match.Legit got Jake Hager the most over he's ever been

Mogul Embassy- Had some initial hiccups but Swerve is one of the best things going right now, Gates of Agony are ROH Six Man Champs going on a year now, Prince Nana is a universally beloved manager/stooge (Outside of Bob...)

The Elite- One of the most decorated factions of the modern era, nothing much else to say there

Death Triangle- Snakebit by Injuries, but former AEW Trios Champions, and Lucha Bros had one of the best Tag Team Title Matches, and wins, under the stables banner

House of Black- Best Trios Champions potentially, great presence, protected pretty strongly. Gave Julia Hart a complete character identity (And a feud win over Anna Jay).

Jarrett and Friends- Booked exactly like they should be, midcard, mostly comedy, and it has worked out to their benefit

QTV- Low Card Stable, Hobbs is no longer involved with them, have really found their footing as a fun act where they are, and Harley Cameron is fantastic in every way.

The Outcasts- Say what you want, but in Kayfabe, two members of the group have become World Champions while the Group was still active (Still technically is)

Dark Order- Retooling into a more competitive faction akin to the days of Brodie

LFI- Literally just murdered a bunch of Ninjas on screen, definitely helping give them a badass aura at the moment for a return run

The Righteous- They've had one vignette for AEW TV so far, but group wise, they put on solid stuff and have Stu Grayson, so they have promise and are presented as a cult like faction, nothing really over the top silly

The only stable I can think of, in recent AEW memory, that was a flop, was The Firm, and a large part of that was because their initial plan was supposed to revolve entirely around a CM Punk/MJF feud that had to be scrapped... Firm Deletion was a fun ending to it though.

I can't say any of these factions have left wrestlers in a state of disrepair or hurt anyone in the long run, and a lot of them are still very over with crowds optics wise... do not get the purpose of this thread one bit.

[Fade is a CodyCryBaby]

I’ve actually long been over BCC. I wish Moxley could do his own thing, and Yuta and Claudio could stick together or not. This isn’t helping Yuta anymore. He’s established. His persona and how the guy seems in real life are opposite ends of the spectrum, and it reads really blatantly. He needs to do something different already and find that middle ground.

As for the stables, most of it is a blur to me these days. I still f***s with the og’s like best friends and death triangle. The only stable that’s popping for me currently is BCG.

[King (Super) Dragunov]

I wanna play too, but with theme songs b/c I don't wanna complain about the same stuff anymore today.
List stolen from CJB.

BCC- Shitty theme song. But the crowd likes it.

Best Friends- Eh theme song. People like it a lot more than I do.

Bullet Club Gold- Great theme since it’s usually Jay’s NJPW fantastic music.

JAS- Also great theme since it’s usually Jericho’s best song.

Mogul Embassy- Swerve probably has my favorite theme going right now.

The Elite- “Wayward Son” can go back to hell with “Wild Thing”.
Individual themes are great.

Death Triangle- I forget the DT theme, but Lucha Bros theme is a goddam banger, up there with Swerve’s.

House of Black- Not really into that kind of metal, but the theme is still solid, and fits.

Jarrett and Friends- Jarrett’s theme is kinda iconic at this point.

The Outcasts- Don’t love it/Don’t hate it.

Dark Order- I wish they’d get a new song, something heavier and darker.

LFI- I have no idea what their theme is.

The Righteous- Love this one. Simple. Wyatt Family vibes.

[Moppy]

Some of the thread titles in this section have been freaking WILD lately lol

[daaave]

I will not have a bad word said about Nana and his dancing.

[pinja]

There are the Wingmen and then there is nothing. A cohesive group, a defined theme and Ryan Nemeth's theme. Every other stable pales in comparison.

[CeilingFan]

Factions is one of the many things that AEW does better than WWE.

[Nosnorb]

Sept 9, 2023 0:37:13 GMT -5 LiamMcDuggle said:

There is a reason Al Snow was not in Evolution.

Al Snow as an honory member of Evolution, or pretending that he was in Evolution, would have been brilliant.

"Evolution is a mystery, 

Giving Head to everyone I see, 

Being a fool is history"

[wankah]

Al Snow is the f***ing Evolution.

[Citizen Snips Has Left]

I can’t speak to the quality of said factions but the fact that AEW has 14 factions according to some above posts really seems like overkill to me.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

The stables are fine, I just worry it’s leaving too many big singles matches on the table because so many are doing tags and trios. Like, Hangman just had his first TV singles match in literally months the other night.

[msc]

Sept 9, 2023 1:02:52 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I need to do a current stable rundown here because of how confused I am at this statement

BCC- Great Stable, Yuta's a former PURE Champion, Claudio current ROH Champion, Moxley current International Champion, they don't lose very often

Best Friends- Just won Stadium Stampede, Statlander is TBS Champion, OC is now regarded as one of the best singles champions in AEW History

Bullet Club Gold- Maybe my favorite faction in all of wrestling right now. Perfect fit with the Gunns, Juice is money, Jay White is a star.

JAS- Jericho won the ROH belt with this group, Daniel Garcia won the PURE Title with this group, relatively successful, competed in a Blood and Guts match.Legit got Jake Hager the most over he's ever been

Mogul Embassy- Had some initial hiccups but Swerve is one of the best things going right now, Gates of Agony are ROH Six Man Champs going on a year now, Prince Nana is a universally beloved manager/stooge (Outside of Bob...)

The Elite- One of the most decorated factions of the modern era, nothing much else to say there

Death Triangle- Snakebit by Injuries, but former AEW Trios Champions, and Lucha Bros had one of the best Tag Team Title Matches, and wins, under the stables banner

House of Black- Best Trios Champions potentially, great presence, protected pretty strongly. Gave Julia Hart a complete character identity (And a feud win over Anna Jay).

Jarrett and Friends- Booked exactly like they should be, midcard, mostly comedy, and it has worked out to their benefit

QTV- Low Card Stable, Hobbs is no longer involved with them, have really found their footing as a fun act where they are, and Harley Cameron is fantastic in every way.

The Outcasts- Say what you want, but in Kayfabe, two members of the group have become World Champions while the Group was still active (Still technically is)

Dark Order- Retooling into a more competitive faction akin to the days of Brodie

LFI- Literally just murdered a bunch of Ninjas on screen, definitely helping give them a badass aura at the moment for a return run

The Righteous- They've had one vignette for AEW TV so far, but group wise, they put on solid stuff and have Stu Grayson, so they have promise and are presented as a cult like faction, nothing really over the top silly

The only stable I can think of, in recent AEW memory, that was a flop, was The Firm, and a large part of that was because their initial plan was supposed to revolve entirely around a CM Punk/MJF feud that had to be scrapped... Firm Deletion was a fun ending to it though.

I can't say any of these factions have left wrestlers in a state of disrepair or hurt anyone in the long run, and a lot of them are still very over with crowds optics wise... do not get the purpose of this thread one bit.

Nicking your list because my memory sucks.

BCC - Mox, Claudio, Yuta, if anything they're OP a bit. But yeah, great stable.
Best Friends - Chuck Taylor being rubbish is a joke meme between me and my friends but yeah, OC? Statlander? Love it.
Bullet Club Gold - Not for me but their tag matches were great.
JAS - Turned Daddy f***ing Magic into the highlight of the show. He was an identikit workhorse jobber tag guy before, now I love him and Cool Hand. Totally makes up for my Daniel Garcia disdain.
Mogul - Not really into them, though Swerve is good.
Elite - Amazing.
Death Triangle - My favourites on the roster. Give them all the belts, I say.
House of Black - Love them.
Jarrett's Group - Comedy veteran jobbers, not much to say. Maybe fewer 15-20 minute matches for Jarrett now though.
QTV - Jobbers
Outcasts - Like I'm going to trash a stable with Ruby and fn Toni Storm in it
Dark Order - Vastly underbooked. Even now. Push Johnny ffs.
LFI - Not seen enough of Rush's group to comment.
Righteous - I have no idea who these people are, and Cagematch is currently down.

In general terms, I think AEW has a solid stable/tag division, able to produce multi tag team battle royals and leave stables out of them ffs.

Plus, stables give you what I call the Bradshaw factor. When you know someone could be good with the right story/momentum, but don't know what to do with them yet, but if they are in a major stable, people see them on TV every week, so even if they aren't the focus, they get some spotlight until you want to heat them up. This is vastly underused by WWE, but AEW seem to be doing well with the idea.

Also, your mileage may vary, but every good stable needs a Mideon, a Vincent, you know, that guy who is there to get beat up by the good guys so the guys the fans want to see beat up make an escape so you gotta buy that shit on PPV!

[bob]

Sept 9, 2023 1:02:52 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I need to do a current stable rundown here because of how confused I am at this statement

BCC- Great Stable, Yuta's a former PURE Champion, Claudio current ROH Champion, Moxley current International Champion, they don't lose very often

Best Friends- Just won Stadium Stampede, Statlander is TBS Champion, OC is now regarded as one of the best singles champions in AEW History

Bullet Club Gold- Maybe my favorite faction in all of wrestling right now. Perfect fit with the Gunns, Juice is money, Jay White is a star.

JAS- Jericho won the ROH belt with this group, Daniel Garcia won the PURE Title with this group, relatively successful, competed in a Blood and Guts match.Legit got Jake Hager the most over he's ever been

Mogul Embassy- Had some initial hiccups but Swerve is one of the best things going right now, Gates of Agony are ROH Six Man Champs going on a year now, Prince Nana is a universally beloved manager/stooge (Outside of Bob...)

The Elite- One of the most decorated factions of the modern era, nothing much else to say there

Death Triangle- Snakebit by Injuries, but former AEW Trios Champions, and Lucha Bros had one of the best Tag Team Title Matches, and wins, under the stables banner

House of Black- Best Trios Champions potentially, great presence, protected pretty strongly. Gave Julia Hart a complete character identity (And a feud win over Anna Jay).

Jarrett and Friends- Booked exactly like they should be, midcard, mostly comedy, and it has worked out to their benefit

QTV- Low Card Stable, Hobbs is no longer involved with them, have really found their footing as a fun act where they are, and Harley Cameron is fantastic in every way.

The Outcasts- Say what you want, but in Kayfabe, two members of the group have become World Champions while the Group was still active (Still technically is)

Dark Order- Retooling into a more competitive faction akin to the days of Brodie

LFI- Literally just murdered a bunch of Ninjas on screen, definitely helping give them a badass aura at the moment for a return run

The Righteous- They've had one vignette for AEW TV so far, but group wise, they put on solid stuff and have Stu Grayson, so they have promise and are presented as a cult like faction, nothing really over the top silly

The only stable I can think of, in recent AEW memory, that was a flop, was The Firm, and a large part of that was because their initial plan was supposed to revolve entirely around a CM Punk/MJF feud that had to be scrapped... Firm Deletion was a fun ending to it though.

I can't say any of these factions have left wrestlers in a state of disrepair or hurt anyone in the long run, and a lot of them are still very over with crowds optics wise... do not get the purpose of this thread one bit.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Sept 9, 2023 7:13:45 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

The stables are fine, I just worry it’s leaving too many big singles matches on the table because so many are doing tags and trios. Like, Hangman just had his first TV singles match in literally months the other night.

From the perspective of keeping matchups fresh and the talent all not working as hard I actually prefer this

PPVs I want more singles but on TV I think tag matches are a good call

[kidkamikaze10]

It's one of the things I'm so happy they took from the Puro promotions.

It's a very easy way of giving the roster, from upper card to the low card, a purpose.

[Dub H]

It has a lot of stables, which makes many miss and hits.

I dont think it brings down their most talented but there is really cases where they fumble using all their member(Dark Order)

Best Friends are really fun but they really do exist only for OC.

Swerve doesnt need the embassy or whatever.

The Elite,BCC,BCG,House Of Black, House of Ass are all doing great and all members are better for it

Jarret & Friends might as well just be Jarrett.

Then there are stables like Los Ingorbenables, The Firm, etc which just seem to pop in existence and do nothing, eventually disappear