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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 7, 2023 17:30:34 GMT -5
you cant throw a man into a stack of televisions man, you can go to jail for that shit
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 7, 2023 17:31:22 GMT -5
rich man dont have no truck being headfirst in a stack of TV monitors
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 7, 2023 17:32:14 GMT -5
Just because there might be some level of difference to CM Punk in AEW vs CM Punk going back to WWE, doesn't mean people have to be ok with him in WWE after all the shit he pulled in AEW, nor do they have to be ok with how the response here is both hypocritical to how people reacted to him in AEW, and insane whiplash as well
And honestly? In the end, AEW's just fine without CM Punk and he didn't leave insane lasting damage to the company either, that doesn't mean it was any less painful to watch and experience, and what he did didn't impact several people within the company. To just handwave that away and say "Well it's WWE, he can't do a thing to them of any significance!" might be true in the end, but it doesn't mean that people suddenly are as ok with it as you and some others might be just because he simply might flip companies. And I gotta be honest, the notion that he might go to WWE has some people trying to rationale and reason this so hard that it actually is insane to look at after everything we went through with this drama on and offscreen. It does come off in some metrics as insanely hypocritical, and there's really no other way around that. Some of the takes surrounding this are shocking, and it really shows a fan divide more than I think anything has in recent memory imo. No one has said that people have to be okay with him in WWE, though. It’s the opposite- you’re saying people can’t be okay with him coming to WWE if they also thought AEW should’ve canned him. There are big differences that don’t make those two stances hypocritical. Seems more like people are upset not everyone is railing against WWE here. I mean there was big time excuses for Punk even after he assaulted people the first time TK bred an environment where it was okay for him to do all the things he did. No one is handwaving it but let's not act like different circumstances doesn't matter either. The constant jokes on him were made after the scrum and he still got the benefit of doubt even after including his own show which some people were fine with. He had say so on who he wanted to work with. To act like people are supposed to be so up in arms because he is going to be a potential cog in a wheel that does not need him seems really disingenuous
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 7, 2023 17:33:18 GMT -5
thats your boss man, you throw that MF headfirst into a big column of televisions man? line stepping
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Oct 7, 2023 17:41:52 GMT -5
This is the exact moment I know that the WWE section version of the Scrum thread is going to be like the back half of Event Horizon. There's a much longer version that was cut down due to studio interference that I'm dying to see?
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 7, 2023 17:44:31 GMT -5
how do you tell your father on the day of your most successful business venture that a man threw you dome first into an OLEG
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Post by ChitownKnight on Oct 7, 2023 18:51:37 GMT -5
Wait, where is all this about Punk throwing Tony on a stack of TVs coming from? Lol
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 7, 2023 19:31:23 GMT -5
With this and Edge, a lot of people seem to take it personally about where another man they don't know works. If they're both on TV and it's entertaining (and there's every chance Punk will make for some entertainment off TV too) then we should all enjoy it. Edge didn't assault several people. Edge didn't try and blacklist people. Edge didn't call WWE a place he was "Sick for years" and bash several talents who work there. There's kind of a difference between the hate one man might be getting over the other. It's not as simplified as some people are trying to make it with the "Well if they're on TV and entertaining we should just enjoy it" like they're the same situation, they are not, for a number of reasons. Punk could come back and have a great run, no one's even arguing about the wrestling, the dude has burned his good will with people for several other reasons, and some of those reasons had to do with how he's treated WWE talents too in the past. So the amount of people trying to suddenly downplay this and go "Well what's the big deal? C'mon, it could be fun!" is like... actually shocking, after going through this drama in the previous scrum threads and such. People are free to feel how they want to feel, of course, but it doesn't make it any less shocking, it's like whiplash lol I literally never said Edge did any of these things. All this shit is why I have avoided the AEW boards mostly for 2/3 years. When Jade Cargill signed for WWE you had people saying how "WWE won", the same people doing victory laps because Edge has signed for AEW. I really don't give a shit as long as theres SOMETHING interesting to watch on TV, and arguably lately there hasn't on either side. But I remember I didn't enjoy one of the first AEW PPVs and I was making the same sarcastic comments I'd make in a WWE PPV thread but I was jumped on by more than one person for it.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Oct 7, 2023 19:46:08 GMT -5
People are bashing him and calling him a sell-out for going back to the company that made CM Punk famous in the first place doesn't make sense. Sure, he left of bad terms, but so did Bret Hart, and he came back. Hulk Hogan competed with WWE, twice, and was welcomed back with open arms both times. Also, the IWC is a miniscule fanbase in WWE. WWE caters to more of a younger demographic and casual fans, who aren't going to know anything of CM Punk's recent controversies in AEW, and they're going to be on their feet with the static hit's followed by the opening riffs of Cult of Personality. Hell, alot of them probably don't know CM Punk went to AEW. Or even know of AEW. The only people who are in depth of the CM Punk/AEW controversies are the internet fans, who make up a very small amount of the WWE fanbase today because alot of them have moved over to AEW. If you crawl back to the company where you told one of their stars to suck a blood money covered dick then you're a hypocrite. He just cares about getting paid, he has no qualms about morality or workers rights like he pretends.
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Post by Fade on Oct 7, 2023 19:55:08 GMT -5
People are bashing him and calling him a sell-out for going back to the company that made CM Punk famous in the first place doesn't make sense. Sure, he left of bad terms, but so did Bret Hart, and he came back. Hulk Hogan competed with WWE, twice, and was welcomed back with open arms both times. Also, the IWC is a miniscule fanbase in WWE. WWE caters to more of a younger demographic and casual fans, who aren't going to know anything of CM Punk's recent controversies in AEW, and they're going to be on their feet with the static hit's followed by the opening riffs of Cult of Personality. Hell, alot of them probably don't know CM Punk went to AEW. Or even know of AEW. The only people who are in depth of the CM Punk/AEW controversies are the internet fans, who make up a very small amount of the WWE fanbase today because alot of them have moved over to AEW. If you crawl back to the company where you told one of their stars to suck a blood money covered dick then you're a hypocrite. He just cares about getting paid, he has no qualms about morality or workers rights like he pretends. Him working a saudi show will be hi- -larious. #bloodmoneycovereddick will trend.
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Post by chrom on Oct 7, 2023 20:07:18 GMT -5
People are bashing him and calling him a sell-out for going back to the company that made CM Punk famous in the first place doesn't make sense. Sure, he left of bad terms, but so did Bret Hart, and he came back. Hulk Hogan competed with WWE, twice, and was welcomed back with open arms both times. Also, the IWC is a miniscule fanbase in WWE. WWE caters to more of a younger demographic and casual fans, who aren't going to know anything of CM Punk's recent controversies in AEW, and they're going to be on their feet with the static hit's followed by the opening riffs of Cult of Personality. Hell, alot of them probably don't know CM Punk went to AEW. Or even know of AEW. The only people who are in depth of the CM Punk/AEW controversies are the internet fans, who make up a very small amount of the WWE fanbase today because alot of them have moved over to AEW. If you crawl back to the company where you told one of their stars to suck a blood money covered dick then you're a hypocrite. He just cares about getting paid, he has no qualms about morality or workers rights like he pretends. Everything has been about Punk's ego from the start of when he began his "crusade". All his talk of being the voice of the voiceless, changing the business, making it better, it's nothing more than a sham. Nothing more than just stroking his ego
Guys have gone and done what he said he'd do and without having to get on a soapbox.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Oct 7, 2023 22:28:04 GMT -5
I'll accept him only if he comes back as CM Punt, who was banned as a punter from the NFL for being 'too violent'.
No one even mentions that he was once CM Punk.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 7, 2023 23:57:14 GMT -5
I'll accept him only if he comes back as CM Punt, who was banned as a punter from the NFL for being 'too violent'. No one even mentions that he was once CM Punk. And after that flops, CM Dunk, rejected from the NBA for being 'too rough'.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 8, 2023 0:03:03 GMT -5
I'll accept him only if he comes back as CM Punt, who was banned as a punter from the NFL for being 'too violent'. No one even mentions that he was once CM Punk. And after that flops, CM Dunk, rejected from the NBA for being 'too rough'. And after that, CM Puck, booted from the NHL for being 'too aggressive'.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 8, 2023 0:06:44 GMT -5
And after that flops, CM Dunk, rejected from the NBA for being 'too rough'. And after that, CM Puck, booted from the NHL for being 'too aggressive'. Then CM Buck, banker fired for embezzlement (his new finisher is a victory roll called the early term rollover).
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Post by Stu on Oct 8, 2023 0:07:15 GMT -5
Is there anything here that hasn't been said in the previous Punk threads?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 8, 2023 1:13:43 GMT -5
Edge didn't assault several people. Edge didn't try and blacklist people. Edge didn't call WWE a place he was "Sick for years" and bash several talents who work there. There's kind of a difference between the hate one man might be getting over the other. It's not as simplified as some people are trying to make it with the "Well if they're on TV and entertaining we should just enjoy it" like they're the same situation, they are not, for a number of reasons. Punk could come back and have a great run, no one's even arguing about the wrestling, the dude has burned his good will with people for several other reasons, and some of those reasons had to do with how he's treated WWE talents too in the past. So the amount of people trying to suddenly downplay this and go "Well what's the big deal? C'mon, it could be fun!" is like... actually shocking, after going through this drama in the previous scrum threads and such. People are free to feel how they want to feel, of course, but it doesn't make it any less shocking, it's like whiplash lol I literally never said Edge did any of these things. All this shit is why I have avoided the AEW boards mostly for 2/3 years. When Jade Cargill signed for WWE you had people saying how "WWE won", the same people doing victory laps because Edge has signed for AEW. I really don't give a shit as long as theres SOMETHING interesting to watch on TV, and arguably lately there hasn't on either side. But I remember I didn't enjoy one of the first AEW PPVs and I was making the same sarcastic comments I'd make in a WWE PPV thread but I was jumped on by more than one person for it. CM Punk's situation is vastly different from Jade or Edge though I'm not even disagreeing with you that I think the tribalism stuff is bullshit, sorry you got jumped in an AEW thread years ago, that's not cool, but the subject at hand, and the hate for CM Punk, goes well beyond company lines, and that's why people can't just watch and be entertained by the guy anymore. As has been said multiple times in this thread, I was in the same boat as you about Punk. I was like "Ok well Scrumgate is over, let's just see if he can put on an entertaining product and be a great wrestler again and forget this nonsense", and I got burned for it, I got burned for investing my time into defending him, and burned by CM Punk for actually thinking he'd changed and learned from the experience. Has nothing to do with Boards or Company Bias, hating CM Punk is only caused by one person for me, and that is CM Punk, and him changing companies just doesn't wave that away for me personally, and if it doesn't bother you the same way, that's all fine and good, just explaining my side of it best I can.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 8, 2023 1:24:25 GMT -5
The amount of people literally trying to rationale in this thread already about how Punk coming back is "The more entertaining option to see him wrestle again" or "We invest too much time into NON-TV related things and should just enjoy things", "It's not like he's gonna fight anyone in WWE right??" or "The IWC is TOO MINISCULE for it to truly matter in the end" The Punk threads have definitely jumped sections to see post after post of people trying to defend this possibility. Because for a long while, I was like the ONLY person who was defending CM Punk in some neutral to even pro fashion while he made his second run, because I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, and see how it goes. You can ask any AEW section regular, I actually did try and bat for this guy because I thought that he'd actively try and improve himself from the Brawl Out incident or things would cool down. As someone who did all that, and then saw how it went, I would legitimately be perfectly content if I NEVER saw Phil Brooks in a wrestling ring again, and the fact people are trying to handwave everything he did in AEW away because well not he's gonna be in WWE and this time it'll be super different are flat out ignoring both the hypocrisy in how much he trashed this place even before he went to AEW for YEARS, but are extremely downplaying the situations that lead to his reputation tanking with far more than the IWC if crowd reactions were an indicator the more places he went. And to say he didn't effect TV is straight up putting a blindfold around your eyes. He tried to make a storyline where he was the REAL CHAMPION while the actual champion ignored him, he BANNED PEOPLE from Collision, not one person, like a chunk the damn roster for very petty reasons. And when he saw one anti-Punk sign in a crowd, he went off on Hangman Page for no reason in an after show promo... none of this is even factoring in Scrumgate, or attacking Jack Perry, or making Tony Khan reportedly fear for his life, something that is sure fun to see mocked in some sections of the internet, because wrestling fans are sane, rational people. Would he likely get pops? Sure. Would he be on his absolutely goodie two shoes best behavior? Maybe so. Does that just wipe away the year of absolute sludge this dude made me and many others experience through very much on and off camera? No. It doesn't. If WWE genuinely wants to let Punk back into their company, that's their call. I thought that things would be a bit different with how this company ran things, but maybe in the end, they're simply meant for each other in that sense. All that being said, much like how Rollins so appropriately put it, Philly Phil, stay away, stay FAR away. It's really f***ing transparent how some of the same people who attacked you for trying to keep an open mind on Phil coming back to AEW are now doing the same rationalizing with him possibly coming back to WWE. Like it was never about an actual stance and more about scoring points in some vendetta against you. 🤔 Just because there might be some level of difference to CM Punk in AEW vs CM Punk going back to WWE, doesn't mean people have to be ok with him in WWE after all the shit he pulled in AEW, nor do they have to be ok with how the response here is both hypocritical to how people reacted to him in AEW, and insane whiplash as well
And honestly? In the end, AEW's just fine without CM Punk and he didn't leave insane lasting damage to the company either, that doesn't mean it was any less painful to watch and experience, and what he did didn't impact several people within the company. To just handwave that away and say "Well it's WWE, he can't do a thing to them of any significance!" might be true in the end, but it doesn't mean that people suddenly are as ok with it as you and some others might be just because he simply might flip companies. And I gotta be honest, the notion that he might go to WWE has some people trying to rationale and reason this so hard that it actually is insane to look at after everything we went through with this drama on and offscreen. It does come off in some metrics as insanely hypocritical, and there's really no other way around that. Some of the takes surrounding this are shocking, and it really shows a fan divide more than I think anything has in recent memory imo. Being a little to dramatic about all this aren’t you? I mean, what’s wrong with people feeling a certain way about this whole Punk coming to WWE situation? It’s not that big a deal, it’s really not. I have to personal investment in Punk’s life or his actions, what he did in AEW was shitty and got fired for it. Good. Moving on The answer to your question about if I'm being "A little too dramatic" is above Maybe I am, but maybe don't downplay how I feel about something just because you might not see it as a big deal. After a full year of being on both ends of this, yeah, sorry, some of the reactions here are insane whiplash to me. Sorry if that's how I feel, but it is. If Punk actually does go to WWE, there isn't gonna be "moving on", more like buckling in, because this ride never seems to end lol
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Post by government mule on Oct 8, 2023 1:46:44 GMT -5
Only if his entrance theme is replaced by the Benny Hill theme tune after the static.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 8, 2023 10:27:46 GMT -5
If you crawl back to the company where you told one of their stars to suck a blood money covered dick then you're a hypocrite. He just cares about getting paid, he has no qualms about morality or workers rights like he pretends. Him working a saudi show will be hi- -larious. #bloodmoneycovereddick will trend. You know, I grew tired of CM Punk years ago, but if there's a chance of "Blood Money Covered Dick" trending on Twitter, I will draft up the paperwork myself and buy a few Punk shirts for the Survivor Series AND the post-SS RAW
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