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Post by Dub H on Oct 7, 2023 7:56:43 GMT -5
Given the current climate of the world, I can't imagine taking the side of people who self-identify as "The Elite". The real problem is, Punk is still part of that old school and is kind of shattering that illusion a dressing room full of ultra competitive people isn't full of video games and putting on nightgowns for a tickle fight that fans have now mindf***ed themselves into thinking is happening. They're not "self-identifying" as the Elite any more than Mark Calloway identifies as an undertaker. Also by the logic,the other side in this debate identifying itself as "The Best In The World" is much worse than "Elite"
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 7, 2023 8:08:15 GMT -5
As a massive fan of what Punk can still do in ring and on the mic, I'm all for this. As someone who can't stand him in every other facet and thinks he's a massive liability behind the scenes but yet still loves the drama, I'm all for this. That’s where I am on the situation. Clearly he did terrible things in AEW backstage, and has thin skin, and needed to go. But there’s really no long-term damage he can do (imo) to WWE because they’re not in the precarious state a nascent company like AEW was. If he’s a dick backstage to those in charge and it seeps out into the product too, I’d imagine he won’t last long.
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Post by clifford on Oct 7, 2023 8:11:26 GMT -5
As a massive fan of what Punk can still do in ring and on the mic, I'm all for this. As someone who can't stand him in every other facet and thinks he's a massive liability behind the scenes but yet still loves the drama, I'm all for this. That’s where I am on the situation. Clearly he did terrible things in AEW backstage, and has thin skin, and needed to go. But there’s really no long-term damage he can do (imo) to WWE because they’re not in the precarious state a nascent company like AEW was. If he’s a dick backstage to those in charge and it seeps out into the product too, I’d imagine he won’t last long. Yeah and although undoubtedly, for me anyway, AEW is a better spot for him creatively and where he'd get to do his best work, there's still plenty of people and stuff for him to f*** with in WWE that will have me entertained. And I agree, his backstage bullshit won't affect WWE the way it did AEW. It'll still be funny though
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 7, 2023 8:50:36 GMT -5
Given the current climate of the world, I can't imagine taking the side of people who self-identify as "The Elite". The real problem is, Punk is still part of that old school and is kind of shattering that illusion a dressing room full of ultra competitive people isn't full of video games and putting on nightgowns for a tickle fight that fans have now mindf***ed themselves into thinking is happening. They're not "self-identifying" as the Elite any more than Mark Calloway identifies as an undertaker. Or an actual Dead Man.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 7, 2023 11:32:15 GMT -5
People are bashing him and calling him a sell-out for going back to the company that made CM Punk famous in the first place doesn't make sense. Sure, he left of bad terms, but so did Bret Hart, and he came back. Hulk Hogan competed with WWE, twice, and was welcomed back with open arms both times. Also, the IWC is a miniscule fanbase in WWE. WWE caters to more of a younger demographic and casual fans, who aren't going to know anything of CM Punk's recent controversies in AEW, and they're going to be on their feet with the static hit's followed by the opening riffs of Cult of Personality. Hell, alot of them probably don't know CM Punk went to AEW. Or even know of AEW. The only people who are in depth of the CM Punk/AEW controversies are the internet fans, who make up a very small amount of the WWE fanbase today because alot of them have moved over to AEW. Given the current climate of the world, I can't imagine taking the side of people who self-identify as "The Elite".
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 7, 2023 12:23:43 GMT -5
This is the exact moment I know that the WWE section version of the Scrum thread is going to be like the back half of Event Horizon. Gory as hell and one of my legit favorite performances of Sam Neil?
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Post by Dub H on Oct 7, 2023 12:30:21 GMT -5
They're not "self-identifying" as the Elite any more than Mark Calloway identifies as an undertaker. Or an actual Dead Man. He does self indetify as an American badass tho
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 7, 2023 12:34:13 GMT -5
The amount of people literally trying to rationale in this thread already about how Punk coming back is "The more entertaining option to see him wrestle again" or "We invest too much time into NON-TV related things and should just enjoy things", "It's not like he's gonna fight anyone in WWE right??" or "The IWC is TOO MINISCULE for it to truly matter in the end" The Punk threads have definitely jumped sections to see post after post of people trying to defend this possibility. Because for a long while, I was like the ONLY person who was defending CM Punk in some neutral to even pro fashion while he made his second run, because I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, and see how it goes. You can ask any AEW section regular, I actually did try and bat for this guy because I thought that he'd actively try and improve himself from the Brawl Out incident or things would cool down. As someone who did all that, and then saw how it went, I would legitimately be perfectly content if I NEVER saw Phil Brooks in a wrestling ring again, and the fact people are trying to handwave everything he did in AEW away because well not he's gonna be in WWE and this time it'll be super different are flat out ignoring both the hypocrisy in how much he trashed this place even before he went to AEW for YEARS, but are extremely downplaying the situations that lead to his reputation tanking with far more than the IWC if crowd reactions were an indicator the more places he went. And to say he didn't effect TV is straight up putting a blindfold around your eyes. He tried to make a storyline where he was the REAL CHAMPION while the actual champion ignored him, he BANNED PEOPLE from Collision, not one person, like a chunk the damn roster for very petty reasons. And when he saw one anti-Punk sign in a crowd, he went off on Hangman Page for no reason in an after show promo... none of this is even factoring in Scrumgate, or attacking Jack Perry, or making Tony Khan reportedly fear for his life, something that is sure fun to see mocked in some sections of the internet, because wrestling fans are sane, rational people. Would he likely get pops? Sure. Would he be on his absolutely goodie two shoes best behavior? Maybe so. Does that just wipe away the year of absolute sludge this dude made me and many others experience through very much on and off camera? No. It doesn't. If WWE genuinely wants to let Punk back into their company, that's their call. I thought that things would be a bit different with how this company ran things, but maybe in the end, they're simply meant for each other in that sense. All that being said, much like how Rollins so appropriately put it, Philly Phil, stay away, stay FAR away. It's really f***ing transparent how some of the same people who attacked you for trying to keep an open mind on Phil coming back to AEW are now doing the same rationalizing with him possibly coming back to WWE. Like it was never about an actual stance and more about scoring points in some vendetta against you. 🤔
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Post by mo on Oct 7, 2023 12:34:16 GMT -5
I’ve read some wacky things in my many years on this site but that Elite comment is a doozy! These Punk threads always deliver 🧐
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Oct 7, 2023 12:34:50 GMT -5
This is the exact moment I know that the WWE section version of the Scrum thread is going to be like the back half of Event Horizon. let's wait for the racist jokes dvd commentary i'm sure they've got one in them
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 7, 2023 13:42:25 GMT -5
If they're both on TV and it's entertaining (and there's every chance Punk will make for some entertainment off TV too) then we should all enjoy it. Punk during the last few months of his AEW run with his "Real Worlds Champ" character was awful, and if he comes back to WWE doing the same shit, it's going to be hard to enjoy it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 7, 2023 14:05:52 GMT -5
I mean to put a pin on this, no one had problems with Punk in AEW coming in the first time. The problem came in with him coming back after the Scrum and the excuses that came behind that
IF he comes into WWE we are assuming he has nowhere near the say and influence he had in AEW. He's just a guy. The min he does some dumb shit he's scrapped
At the end of the day all this does is make Punk a hypocrite after all the shit he talked. But if he goes in, he's trying to preserve his legacy. No real risk and all reward for WWE since he would presumably be walking a thin line.
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Post by XIII on Oct 7, 2023 14:20:43 GMT -5
I mean to put a pin on this, no one had problems with Punk in AEW coming in the first time. The problem came in with him coming back after the Scrum and the excuses that came behind that IF he comes into WWE we are assuming he has nowhere near the say and influence he had in AEW. He's just a guy. The min he does some dumb shit he's scrapped At the end of the day all this does is make Punk a hypocrite after all the shit he talked. But if he goes in, he's trying to preserve his legacy. No real risk and all reward for WWE since he would presumably be walking a thin line. I don’t want him back and think that he should just f*** off but if he starts being an ass: HHH: “good news, Phil! You’ll be main eventing the next PLE!” Punk: “f*** yeah, about time you recognized my worth and stopped booking me against bitch assed scrubs” HHH: “you’re working Brock” Punk: ………..
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 7, 2023 14:28:46 GMT -5
I mean to put a pin on this, no one had problems with Punk in AEW coming in the first time. The problem came in with him coming back after the Scrum and the excuses that came behind that IF he comes into WWE we are assuming he has nowhere near the say and influence he had in AEW. He's just a guy. The min he does some dumb shit he's scrapped At the end of the day all this does is make Punk a hypocrite after all the shit he talked. But if he goes in, he's trying to preserve his legacy. No real risk and all reward for WWE since he would presumably be walking a thin line. I don’t want him back and think that he should just f*** off but if he starts being an ass: HHH: “good news, Phil! You’ll be main eventing the next PLE!” Punk: “f*** yeah, about time you recognized my worth and stopped booking me against bitch assed scrubs” HHH: “you’re working Brock” Punk: ……….. The man is a vicious ass clown but he damn sure knew he needed a backup plan which brings his visits to Impact and WWE into a lot more meaningful light
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 7, 2023 15:06:10 GMT -5
The amount of people literally trying to rationale in this thread already about how Punk coming back is "The more entertaining option to see him wrestle again" or "We invest too much time into NON-TV related things and should just enjoy things", "It's not like he's gonna fight anyone in WWE right??" or "The IWC is TOO MINISCULE for it to truly matter in the end" The Punk threads have definitely jumped sections to see post after post of people trying to defend this possibility. Because for a long while, I was like the ONLY person who was defending CM Punk in some neutral to even pro fashion while he made his second run, because I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, and see how it goes. You can ask any AEW section regular, I actually did try and bat for this guy because I thought that he'd actively try and improve himself from the Brawl Out incident or things would cool down. As someone who did all that, and then saw how it went, I would legitimately be perfectly content if I NEVER saw Phil Brooks in a wrestling ring again, and the fact people are trying to handwave everything he did in AEW away because well not he's gonna be in WWE and this time it'll be super different are flat out ignoring both the hypocrisy in how much he trashed this place even before he went to AEW for YEARS, but are extremely downplaying the situations that lead to his reputation tanking with far more than the IWC if crowd reactions were an indicator the more places he went. And to say he didn't effect TV is straight up putting a blindfold around your eyes. He tried to make a storyline where he was the REAL CHAMPION while the actual champion ignored him, he BANNED PEOPLE from Collision, not one person, like a chunk the damn roster for very petty reasons. And when he saw one anti-Punk sign in a crowd, he went off on Hangman Page for no reason in an after show promo... none of this is even factoring in Scrumgate, or attacking Jack Perry, or making Tony Khan reportedly fear for his life, something that is sure fun to see mocked in some sections of the internet, because wrestling fans are sane, rational people. Would he likely get pops? Sure. Would he be on his absolutely goodie two shoes best behavior? Maybe so. Does that just wipe away the year of absolute sludge this dude made me and many others experience through very much on and off camera? No. It doesn't. If WWE genuinely wants to let Punk back into their company, that's their call. I thought that things would be a bit different with how this company ran things, but maybe in the end, they're simply meant for each other in that sense. All that being said, much like how Rollins so appropriately put it, Philly Phil, stay away, stay FAR away. It's really f***ing transparent how some of the same people who attacked you for trying to keep an open mind on Phil coming back to AEW are now doing the same rationalizing with him possibly coming back to WWE. Like it was never about an actual stance and more about scoring points in some vendetta against you. 🤔 There are clear differences between Punk coming back to a company on the rise with his own show and not making amends after the scrum in which he ripped on his colleagues, ripped on and embarrassed his bosses, and then went backstage and fought his bosses, versus Punk coming back for the first time as a disposable cog in the wheel for the biggest company that most likely won’t really be affected on any seismic level by whatever he does.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 7, 2023 16:16:50 GMT -5
It's really f***ing transparent how some of the same people who attacked you for trying to keep an open mind on Phil coming back to AEW are now doing the same rationalizing with him possibly coming back to WWE. Like it was never about an actual stance and more about scoring points in some vendetta against you. 🤔 There are clear differences between Punk coming back to a company on the rise with his own show and not making amends after the scrum in which he ripped on his colleagues, ripped on and embarrassed his bosses, and then went backstage and fought his bosses, versus Punk coming back for the first time as a disposable cog in the wheel for the biggest company that most likely won’t really be affected on any seismic level by whatever he does. Just because there might be some level of difference to CM Punk in AEW vs CM Punk going back to WWE, doesn't mean people have to be ok with him in WWE after all the shit he pulled in AEW, nor do they have to be ok with how the response here is both hypocritical to how people reacted to him in AEW, and insane whiplash as well
And honestly? In the end, AEW's just fine without CM Punk and he didn't leave insane lasting damage to the company either, that doesn't mean it was any less painful to watch and experience, and what he did didn't impact several people within the company. To just handwave that away and say "Well it's WWE, he can't do a thing to them of any significance!" might be true in the end, but it doesn't mean that people suddenly are as ok with it as you and some others might be just because he simply might flip companies. And I gotta be honest, the notion that he might go to WWE has some people trying to rationale and reason this so hard that it actually is insane to look at after everything we went through with this drama on and offscreen. It does come off in some metrics as insanely hypocritical, and there's really no other way around that. Some of the takes surrounding this are shocking, and it really shows a fan divide more than I think anything has in recent memory imo.
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Post by Schizo on Oct 7, 2023 16:41:53 GMT -5
There are clear differences between Punk coming back to a company on the rise with his own show and not making amends after the scrum in which he ripped on his colleagues, ripped on and embarrassed his bosses, and then went backstage and fought his bosses, versus Punk coming back for the first time as a disposable cog in the wheel for the biggest company that most likely won’t really be affected on any seismic level by whatever he does. Just because there might be some level of difference to CM Punk in AEW vs CM Punk going back to WWE, doesn't mean people have to be ok with him in WWE after all the shit he pulled in AEW, nor do they have to be ok with how the response here is both hypocritical to how people reacted to him in AEW, and insane whiplash as well
And honestly? In the end, AEW's just fine without CM Punk and he didn't leave insane lasting damage to the company either, that doesn't mean it was any less painful to watch and experience, and what he did didn't impact several people within the company. To just handwave that away and say "Well it's WWE, he can't do a thing to them of any significance!" might be true in the end, but it doesn't mean that people suddenly are as ok with it as you and some others might be just because he simply might flip companies. And I gotta be honest, the notion that he might go to WWE has some people trying to rationale and reason this so hard that it actually is insane to look at after everything we went through with this drama on and offscreen. It does come off in some metrics as insanely hypocritical, and there's really no other way around that. Some of the takes surrounding this are shocking, and it really shows a fan divide more than I think anything has in recent memory imo. Being a little to dramatic about all this aren’t you? I mean, what’s wrong with people feeling a certain way about this whole Punk coming to WWE situation? It’s not that big a deal, it’s really not. I have to personal investment in Punk’s life or his actions, what he did in AEW was shitty and got fired for it. Good. Moving on Iam Intrigued if Punk comes to WWE. He needed to leave AEW, during the 2nd half of his first AEW run (before he got hurt) and his entirety of his return this year, he was s complete bore to watch, not to mention being a cancer in the AEW locker room, him leaving AEW had made the shows more fun to watch, he just wasn’t a good fit for the AEW locker room. WWE is a completely different beast and no way WWE hire ups are going to tolerate Punk’s bullshit and Iam sure somewhere in Punk’s unhinged mind he knows that, he’s going to have to play nice there or they’ll can his ass. Creativity Iam curious what Punk would even be doing in the current WWE environment sence Punk and WWE are both vastly different than they were in 2014, that’s what Iam interested in seeing
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 7, 2023 17:02:50 GMT -5
Don't know where else to put this but I watched Money in the Bank 2011 earlier today and spotted Colt Cabana in the front row. Punk goes and stands beside him during Cena's entrance.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 7, 2023 17:23:29 GMT -5
There are clear differences between Punk coming back to a company on the rise with his own show and not making amends after the scrum in which he ripped on his colleagues, ripped on and embarrassed his bosses, and then went backstage and fought his bosses, versus Punk coming back for the first time as a disposable cog in the wheel for the biggest company that most likely won’t really be affected on any seismic level by whatever he does. Just because there might be some level of difference to CM Punk in AEW vs CM Punk going back to WWE, doesn't mean people have to be ok with him in WWE after all the shit he pulled in AEW, nor do they have to be ok with how the response here is both hypocritical to how people reacted to him in AEW, and insane whiplash as well
And honestly? In the end, AEW's just fine without CM Punk and he didn't leave insane lasting damage to the company either, that doesn't mean it was any less painful to watch and experience, and what he did didn't impact several people within the company. To just handwave that away and say "Well it's WWE, he can't do a thing to them of any significance!" might be true in the end, but it doesn't mean that people suddenly are as ok with it as you and some others might be just because he simply might flip companies. And I gotta be honest, the notion that he might go to WWE has some people trying to rationale and reason this so hard that it actually is insane to look at after everything we went through with this drama on and offscreen. It does come off in some metrics as insanely hypocritical, and there's really no other way around that. Some of the takes surrounding this are shocking, and it really shows a fan divide more than I think anything has in recent memory imo. No one has said that people have to be okay with him in WWE, though. It’s the opposite- you’re saying people can’t be okay with him coming to WWE if they also thought AEW should’ve canned him. There are big differences that don’t make those two stances hypocritical. Seems more like people are upset not everyone is railing against WWE here.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Oct 7, 2023 17:23:49 GMT -5
I’ve read some wacky things in my many years on this site but that Elite comment is a doozy! These Punk threads always deliver 🧐 Good times See this is why I wish proboards block function actually applied when the posts are quoted by someone else lol When the question got asked would you want to see Punk back in WWE I jokingly said yes because I don’t watch WWE and that some people just want to watch the world burn But I really don’t get why the WWE would actually consider this. What benefit could they possible get that would outweigh the drama that he would bring with him? They’re solid in ratings, doing really well in terms of ticket sales etc, they’ve got a good roster so not short of wrestlers who can put on a good match I get why AEW took a punt because in theory could help with wider exposure but I genuinely can’t think of a single thing Punk offers that WWE doesn’t already have in some form
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