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Post by Cvslfc123 on Oct 7, 2023 0:41:59 GMT -5
He might be an asshole but f*** it, bring him home!
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Post by Dub H on Oct 7, 2023 0:44:26 GMT -5
Yeh lets pretend that is the only issue with Punk. Not that he derailed a shitton of storylines and assaulted people. That affects TV. CM Punk directly made AEW worse regardless of his amazing character work That’s workplace drama, it’s not what’s on TV. He derailed Multiple storylines He went into business for himself to hurt another main eventer. Collision was left with no direction. It caused the suspension of the very first and brand New trios champions. And the suspension of a feud building two young stars. It caused roster to be limited on its interactions because he needed his own exclusive roster That is the show ,not backstage drama.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 7, 2023 0:44:28 GMT -5
People are bashing him and calling him a sell-out for going back to the company that made CM Punk famous in the first place doesn't make sense. Sure, he left of bad terms, but so did Bret Hart, and he came back. Hulk Hogan competed with WWE, twice, and was welcomed back with open arms both times. Also, the IWC is a miniscule fanbase in WWE. WWE caters to more of a younger demographic and casual fans, who aren't going to know anything of CM Punk's recent controversies in AEW, and they're going to be on their feet with the static hit's followed by the opening riffs of Cult of Personality. Hell, alot of them probably don't know CM Punk went to AEW. Or even know of AEW. The only people who are in depth of the CM Punk/AEW controversies are the internet fans, who make up a very small amount of the WWE fanbase today because alot of them have moved over to AEW. Given the current climate of the world, I can't imagine taking the side of people who self-identify as "The Elite". The real problem is, Punk is still part of that old school and is kind of shattering that illusion a dressing room full of ultra competitive people isn't full of video games and putting on nightgowns for a tickle fight that fans have now mindf***ed themselves into thinking is happening. Hi Jim Cornette.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 7, 2023 2:22:35 GMT -5
Feels like they same thing they did for Codys debut last year.
Are they all aware that Phil Brooks didn't invent that saying?
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Post by Chuck Conry on Oct 7, 2023 2:42:31 GMT -5
I'm starting to think Punk was just going to do what he could until he got fired. Pushing things as far as he could. I think after the Brawl originally at All Out he probably wanted out. He probably won't be trying to fight anyone in WWE
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 7, 2023 4:01:20 GMT -5
With this and Edge, a lot of people seem to take it personally about where another man they don't know works.
If they're both on TV and it's entertaining (and there's every chance Punk will make for some entertainment off TV too) then we should all enjoy it.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Oct 7, 2023 4:48:33 GMT -5
What a fitting end to 2023 (a batshit insane year).
He'll be fired by December.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 7, 2023 5:47:44 GMT -5
The amount of people literally trying to rationale in this thread already about how Punk coming back is "The more entertaining option to see him wrestle again" or "We invest too much time into NON-TV related things and should just enjoy things", "It's not like he's gonna fight anyone in WWE right??" or "The IWC is TOO MINISCULE for it to truly matter in the end"
The Punk threads have definitely jumped sections to see post after post of people trying to defend this possibility. Because for a long while, I was like the ONLY person who was defending CM Punk in some neutral to even pro fashion while he made his second run, because I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, and see how it goes. You can ask any AEW section regular, I actually did try and bat for this guy because I thought that he'd actively try and improve himself from the Brawl Out incident or things would cool down.
As someone who did all that, and then saw how it went, I would legitimately be perfectly content if I NEVER saw Phil Brooks in a wrestling ring again, and the fact people are trying to handwave everything he did in AEW away because well not he's gonna be in WWE and this time it'll be super different are flat out ignoring both the hypocrisy in how much he trashed this place even before he went to AEW for YEARS, but are extremely downplaying the situations that lead to his reputation tanking with far more than the IWC if crowd reactions were an indicator the more places he went.
And to say he didn't effect TV is straight up putting a blindfold around your eyes. He tried to make a storyline where he was the REAL CHAMPION while the actual champion ignored him, he BANNED PEOPLE from Collision, not one person, like a chunk the damn roster for very petty reasons. And when he saw one anti-Punk sign in a crowd, he went off on Hangman Page for no reason in an after show promo... none of this is even factoring in Scrumgate, or attacking Jack Perry, or making Tony Khan reportedly fear for his life, something that is sure fun to see mocked in some sections of the internet, because wrestling fans are sane, rational people.
Would he likely get pops? Sure. Would he be on his absolutely goodie two shoes best behavior? Maybe so. Does that just wipe away the year of absolute sludge this dude made me and many others experience through very much on and off camera? No. It doesn't.
If WWE genuinely wants to let Punk back into their company, that's their call. I thought that things would be a bit different with how this company ran things, but maybe in the end, they're simply meant for each other in that sense.
All that being said, much like how Rollins so appropriately put it, Philly Phil, stay away, stay FAR away.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 7, 2023 6:01:00 GMT -5
Focusing on the supposed backstage environment over the appeal of the actual on-screen product is something this part of the fanbase always does. It's something I think we may do too much at times, especially as a means of projecting our own likes and dislikes of booking decisions onto a talent as though they're supposed to feel the same way, but Punk has a track record here. Top talents are on record with comments on the matter. It is something that has to be factored in and even figured out before any moves are made to potentially re-sign the man.
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 7, 2023 6:08:31 GMT -5
On one hand it would be bloody hilarious, and make Punk look like even more of a colossal hypocrite. But really, I don't want Punk back in WWE. Would be a real fast forward the segment presence, for me.
Hopefully this is mostly the Punk fluffers getting the good word out about in him hopes of a bite, and followed within a day or two with the 'WWE has actually not shown any interest in re-signing Punk' counter-rumours.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 7, 2023 6:09:12 GMT -5
People are bashing him and calling him a sell-out for going back to the company that made CM Punk famous in the first place doesn't make sense. Sure, he left of bad terms, but so did Bret Hart, and he came back. Hulk Hogan competed with WWE, twice, and was welcomed back with open arms both times. Also, the IWC is a miniscule fanbase in WWE. WWE caters to more of a younger demographic and casual fans, who aren't going to know anything of CM Punk's recent controversies in AEW, and they're going to be on their feet with the static hit's followed by the opening riffs of Cult of Personality. Hell, alot of them probably don't know CM Punk went to AEW. Or even know of AEW. The only people who are in depth of the CM Punk/AEW controversies are the internet fans, who make up a very small amount of the WWE fanbase today because alot of them have moved over to AEW. Given the current climate of the world, I can't imagine taking the side of people who self-identify as "The Elite". The real problem is, Punk is still part of that old school and is kind of shattering that illusion a dressing room full of ultra competitive people isn't full of video games and putting on nightgowns for a tickle fight that fans have now mindf***ed themselves into thinking is happening. If you're gonna have that profile picture and that bio on this forum, which I am all for by the way, genuine question... Do you not see the hypocrisy in statements like this?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 7, 2023 6:19:42 GMT -5
With this and Edge, a lot of people seem to take it personally about where another man they don't know works. If they're both on TV and it's entertaining (and there's every chance Punk will make for some entertainment off TV too) then we should all enjoy it. Edge didn't assault several people. Edge didn't try and blacklist people. Edge didn't call WWE a place he was "Sick for years" and bash several talents who work there. There's kind of a difference between the hate one man might be getting over the other. It's not as simplified as some people are trying to make it with the "Well if they're on TV and entertaining we should just enjoy it" like they're the same situation, they are not, for a number of reasons. Punk could come back and have a great run, no one's even arguing about the wrestling, the dude has burned his good will with people for several other reasons, and some of those reasons had to do with how he's treated WWE talents too in the past. So the amount of people trying to suddenly downplay this and go "Well what's the big deal? C'mon, it could be fun!" is like... actually shocking, after going through this drama in the previous scrum threads and such. People are free to feel how they want to feel, of course, but it doesn't make it any less shocking, it's like whiplash lol
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Post by jackswagz on Oct 7, 2023 6:19:56 GMT -5
I'm all in!
Perosnally I don't really give a f*** if he's a dick. He's a great wrestler and still massively popular with the audience. It's not that serious.
Strap me in! The Seth feud will be great!
Hopefully it leads to an AJ return at some stage too!
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 7, 2023 6:20:30 GMT -5
The thing with Punk is that his actions/behaviors (whether you think they were wrong or not) did have a clear on screen effect, so that particular element does feel worthy of discussion when it comes to a potential WWE return. He'd likely be on a shorter leash sure, but given how much he stifled against stronger authority even ten years ago, there's a decent chance it could be a problem again.
Its why his potential presence goes beyond the question of enjoying a wrestler's character outside their real life behavior; the past year and half has been a demonstration of both parts affecting one another and making it very difficult to separate them.
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Post by PKO on Oct 7, 2023 6:29:08 GMT -5
This has been such an absolute wild ride lol
On screen, Punk is incredibly talented and entertaining. I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t be interested in seeing him on WWE TV again.
Off screen, his AEW run was a masterclass in unprofessionalism and how to turn the fans against you and ruin your legacy.
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Post by clifford on Oct 7, 2023 6:37:47 GMT -5
As a massive fan of what Punk can still do in ring and on the mic, I'm all for this.
As someone who can't stand him in every other facet and thinks he's a massive liability behind the scenes but yet still loves the drama, I'm all for this.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Oct 7, 2023 7:00:56 GMT -5
Focusing on the supposed backstage environment over the appeal of the actual on-screen product is something this part of the fanbase always does. It's something I think we may do too much at times, especially as a means of projecting our own likes and dislikes of booking decisions onto a talent as though they're supposed to feel the same way, but Punk has a track record here. Top talents are on record with comments on the matter. It is something that has to be factored in and even figured out before any moves are made to potentially re-sign the man. I think it’s the physical confrontations more than anything that give some people pause. Like, no matter how many video games and funny tweets we see from them, we all know no locker room is without drama or strife or bullshit. Never has been, never will be, that’s just any wrestling company that’ll ever exist. But things like fist fights or physical confrontations aren’t the norm like they were in the territory days or the 90s. Hell, I think the last actual fight was Booker T and Batista in like, 06 or 07? And the last any kinda “physical” thing was Brock tossing the belt at Vince and Jericho getting in Brock’s face about busting Orton open the hard way at Summerslam. Though again, I don’t think Punk is stupid enough to have Ace Steel bite Triple H or some shit like that, cause this is literally his last chance to preserve his legacy with some dignity before father time catches his ass and he’s no longer athletic or mobile enough to do it.
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Post by papagiorgio on Oct 7, 2023 7:03:28 GMT -5
If he does come back to WWE, there will be at least a few wrestlers that will try purposely to trigger him worse than Jack Perry did. Can he swallow his pride and not engage? I would just test run him with a Rumble to Wrestlemania match and see how that goes. I would not use him for anything other than with the particular wrestler he is feuding with.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 7, 2023 7:09:42 GMT -5
People are bashing him and calling him a sell-out for going back to the company that made CM Punk famous in the first place doesn't make sense. Sure, he left of bad terms, but so did Bret Hart, and he came back. Hulk Hogan competed with WWE, twice, and was welcomed back with open arms both times. Also, the IWC is a miniscule fanbase in WWE. WWE caters to more of a younger demographic and casual fans, who aren't going to know anything of CM Punk's recent controversies in AEW, and they're going to be on their feet with the static hit's followed by the opening riffs of Cult of Personality. Hell, alot of them probably don't know CM Punk went to AEW. Or even know of AEW. The only people who are in depth of the CM Punk/AEW controversies are the internet fans, who make up a very small amount of the WWE fanbase today because alot of them have moved over to AEW. Given the current climate of the world, I can't imagine taking the side of people who self-identify as "The Elite". The real problem is, Punk is still part of that old school and is kind of shattering that illusion a dressing room full of ultra competitive people isn't full of video games and putting on nightgowns for a tickle fight that fans have now mindf***ed themselves into thinking is happening. They're not "self-identifying" as the Elite any more than Mark Calloway identifies as an undertaker.
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Post by SneakMan on Oct 7, 2023 7:19:31 GMT -5
The “backstage stuff that we’re overly fixated on” or whatever literally impacted the on-screen product though. Phil being an unprofessional dick on multiple occasions lead to:
- An incredibly awkward promo where he deliberately undermined top face Adam Page - The All Out 2022 Scrum - The Elite being suspended and off TV for two months, forcing the newly-created Trios Titles to be vacated - The touring schedule of Collision being announced before the debut episode was - Collision existing in its own pocket universe for the first two months, only featuring the same dozen or so people - A “real world’s champion” angle that ended up going nowhere and was never acknowledged by the actual world’s champion - A program with Ricky Starks that abruptly had to pivot from Punk to Danielson - Jack Perry being off TV for the foreseeable future
Like, none of this is just from wrestling fans being obsessed with dirtsheets or whatever the hell. This is all stuff that happened on TV, PPV or YouTube. Somebody who’d never heard the name Dave Meltzer in their life could’ve looked at the past year and been like “some weird shit is happening.”
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