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Post by eudypfohl on Sept 18, 2023 20:03:35 GMT -5
We all know what Bret said about him and his mental state during the match...alledging he was high as a kite and had forgotten everything
I've watched the match. To be honest he doesn't look like a guy who is totally out of it and in the midst of a drug bender. To have that good a match when one competitor is that messed up seems unlikely
No doubt he had a drug problem, but I feel Hitmans claims about him that night are exaggerated...maybe as a way to elevate his own performance ("I carried this totally out of it addict who forgot everything to a legendary match")
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Post by Aceorton on Sept 18, 2023 20:24:00 GMT -5
I don't think Bret alleged he was high during the match, did he? Just that he had been doing crack all summer with Neidhart and wasn't returning calls, and then showed up with his conditioning having suffered.
Davey Boy often seemed a bit ... slow. It doesn't seem crazy that he would blank on a long, mapped-out match but do OK as long as someone was feeding him instructions.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 18, 2023 20:31:41 GMT -5
Mr Hitman carried him to a great match.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 18, 2023 23:27:23 GMT -5
I think Bret exaggerated, but not by a lot. Davey and Bret knew each other very intimately as opponents, so putting together a skeleton of a match based on that shared experience and then building on it in the ring was not as hard as if Bret was having to do this with someone he didn't have that kind of background with.
It's not like we don't know Bret can definitely pull more than his own weight. I think people are often unfairly dismissive of Nash, but Bret's Diesel matches absolutely shine in large part because Bret wasn't facing someone who was a Mr. Perfect, etc, and so had to approach the match differently and ask himself, "What can I do with Diesel that I cannot do with a guy my size?" Here, I guess he asked, "What can I do with Davey and only Davey, because that's the only way this is going to work?"
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Post by dav on Sept 19, 2023 3:38:32 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, didn't Bret say Davey Boy was so out of it that he forgot the handshake spot at the end, even though watching the match, he clearly went for it?
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Post by thecrusherwi on Sept 19, 2023 10:19:10 GMT -5
Like all stories decades after the fact, I think Bret's exaggerated it. But when I've heard Bret tell the story, he's said that Davey told him early in the match "I'm f***ed", but that meant he forgot the match and needed Bret to call him through it. Bret attributed that to Davey being heavy into drugs during that period so it affected his memory. I've never taken it to mean that Davey was under the influence during the match itself.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Sept 19, 2023 11:36:17 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, didn't Bret say Davey Boy was so out of it that he forgot the handshake spot at the end, even though watching the match, he clearly went for it? Bret wrote Davey was more into playing to the crowd than going for the handshake, not that he was too messed up to remember it. |
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Sept 19, 2023 12:26:16 GMT -5
Bulldog could perform, alright, as the match clearly shows, he just needed Bret to remind him what and when to do.
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Post by dav on Sept 19, 2023 13:43:21 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, didn't Bret say Davey Boy was so out of it that he forgot the handshake spot at the end, even though watching the match, he clearly went for it? Bret wrote Davey was more into playing to the crowd than going for the handshake, not that he was too messed up to remember it. Ah, which is odd, as he was going for it through the aftermath. |
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Sept 19, 2023 14:02:32 GMT -5
Like all stories decades after the fact, I think Bret's exaggerated it. But when I've heard Bret tell the story, he's said that Davey told him early in the match "I'm f***ed", but that meant he forgot the match and needed Bret to call him through it. Bret attributed that to Davey being heavy into drugs during that period so it affected his memory. I've never taken it to mean that Davey was under the influence during the match itself. Yeah probably forgetting spots and being gassed early on. Dude was huge and if he'd been on drugs all summer, as well as on the gear, his conditioning would be terrible. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 19, 2023 16:55:57 GMT -5
Bret wrote Davey was more into playing to the crowd than going for the handshake, not that he was too messed up to remember it. Ah, which is odd, as he was going for it through the aftermath. That, and I mean, playing to the crowd at f***ing Wembley when he was the British goddamn Bulldog is like the most acceptable time to do that. |
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Post by dav on Sept 19, 2023 17:46:48 GMT -5
Ah, which is odd, as he was going for it through the aftermath. That, and I mean, playing to the crowd at f***ing Wembley when he was the British goddamn Bulldog is like the most acceptable time to do that. Should have looked at Bret with a tear in his eye. Would have been OK then. |
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Post by tafkaga on Sept 19, 2023 17:50:58 GMT -5
Bret's right but he doesn't go far enough. Bulldog was a limp noodle in that match and spent 90% of it prostrate in a pool of his own piss and drool, and it's only thanks to Bret's greatness that we remember it as a great match.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 20, 2023 0:34:53 GMT -5
I've never understood how Bulldog could have been smoking crack all summer with Jim. Bulldog was working for the WWF all summer. It's not like Vince gave Davey the summer off to have a fight camp and prep for the big match and instead Davey chose to spend the summer in a crackhouse with Jim. Which is how Bret's story comes off. Davey would still have to have been on the road fulfilling dates and earning a living.
Also, the November '92 PWI cover discusses a house show match between Bret and Davey, that Davey won. I know most of the stuff in the Apter mags was kayfabe b.s., and I can't find any record of that match happening. BUT there is a pic of Davey holding Bret up for a suplex in an inset pic on that same cover. So if the match never happened, where is the pic from? I can't find anything involving those 2 wrestling each other on Cagematch during that time frame. And the issue was on sale weeks before SummerSlam happened.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 20, 2023 0:45:21 GMT -5
I've never understood how Bulldog could have been smoking crack all summer with Jim. Bulldog was working for the WWF all summer. It's not like Vince gave Davey the summer off to have a fight camp and prep for the big match and instead Davey chose to spend the summer in a crackhouse with Jim. Which is how Bret's story comes off. Davey would still have to have been on the road fulfilling dates and earning a living. Also, the November '92 PWI cover discusses a house show match between Bret and Davey, that Davey won. I know most of the stuff in the Apter mags was kayfabe b.s., and I can't find any record of that match happening. BUT there is a pic of Davey holding Bret up for a suplex in an inset pic on that same cover. So if the match never happened, where is the pic from? I can't find anything involving those 2 wrestling each other on Cagematch during that time frame. And the issue was on sale weeks before SummerSlam happened. Davey was off from mid July until SummerSlam with an injury, while it's hard to call that "all summer" it was over 6 weeks of cracking smoking. Seems like enough. |
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 20, 2023 0:54:52 GMT -5
I've never understood how Bulldog could have been smoking crack all summer with Jim. Bulldog was working for the WWF all summer. It's not like Vince gave Davey the summer off to have a fight camp and prep for the big match and instead Davey chose to spend the summer in a crackhouse with Jim. Which is how Bret's story comes off. Davey would still have to have been on the road fulfilling dates and earning a living. Also, the November '92 PWI cover discusses a house show match between Bret and Davey, that Davey won. I know most of the stuff in the Apter mags was kayfabe b.s., and I can't find any record of that match happening. BUT there is a pic of Davey holding Bret up for a suplex in an inset pic on that same cover. So if the match never happened, where is the pic from? I can't find anything involving those 2 wrestling each other on Cagematch during that time frame. And the issue was on sale weeks before SummerSlam happened. Davey was off from mid July until SummerSlam with an injury, while it's hard to call that "all summer" it was over 6 weeks of cracking smoking. Seems like enough. Ahh. Never knew that. Maybe Bret isn't lying then. He still looked like Davey though. I don't see any difference in his physique at SS 92 compared to any other time we saw him in 92. So he was at least hitting the gym still. I watched that match 50 times between the time it aired and the time I heard Bret's story and I never noticed anything off about Davey that night. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 20, 2023 1:00:01 GMT -5
Davey was off from mid July until SummerSlam with an injury, while it's hard to call that "all summer" it was over 6 weeks of cracking smoking. Seems like enough. Ahh. Never knew that. Maybe Bret isn't lying then. He still looked like Davey though. I don't see any difference in his physique at SS 92 compared to any other time we saw him in 92. So he was at least hitting the gym still. I watched that match 50 times between the time it aired and the time I heard Bret's story and I never noticed anything off about Davey that night. Your conditioning probably takes a hit if instead of being in ring shape, you’re on the pipe. Like has been mentioned, Bret never claimed Davey was f***ed up during the match, just that he wasn’t in any shape to go do the match they had planned and needed to be walked through it. When Bret says Davey said “I’m f***ed” he doesn’t mean impaired, he means, he’s lost and doesn’t know what they had planned. |
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Post by doctor5 on Sept 23, 2023 7:22:31 GMT -5
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Post by johnnyk9 on Sept 23, 2023 7:25:45 GMT -5
Davey did drugs with Neidhart plain and simple
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Post by J is Justice on Sept 23, 2023 7:44:16 GMT -5
Bulldog did botch a couple of things such as when Bret jumped over the top rope and Bulldog was supposed to catch him but instead, Bret gave him a sick looking neckbreaker type-move. Or when Bulldog dropped him on the middle rope instead of the top rope.
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