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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 16, 2023 7:47:43 GMT -5
His first year or so as Velveteen Dream was awful. He clearly wasn't a Prince fan and never actually understood Prince but tried to do what he thought was a Prince impression and it was unwatchable. Then, when he moved from the Prince stuff into just being an eccentric it was good and he knew how to sports-entertain with high drama around his opponent's strengths. If he had one majority ability where he was "that good," it was him knowing how to work that character into accentuating his opponents' positives. But holy shit I cannot watch any of his matches or prromos again at this particular moment and haven't been able to since everything came to light. Oh man, that very first promo where he just came out in a poofy shirt quoting the intro to Let's Go Crazy was one of the most cringeworthy things I've seen this side of Becky Lynch, Lord of the Dance. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 16, 2023 7:58:26 GMT -5
what on earth was up with those Hogan entrances anyway? Was it the Ciampa match where he was outright Hulking up and doing the leg drop and shit? |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 16, 2023 8:04:49 GMT -5
what on earth was up with those Hogan entrances anyway? Was it the Ciampa match where he was outright Hulking up and doing the leg drop and shit? Yep. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 16, 2023 8:53:10 GMT -5
He had some OK matches with Ciampa, Gargano, Riddle and EC3. His programs with Ohno and Strong were not great. The Backlot Brawl dragged. But his best performances were against Black and Ricochet. That match with Black is one of my all-time favorites. Also, kinda on topic: was the Backlot Brawl before or after the allegations came out? That whole period is such a blur. I want to say there were allegations that had come out even before the back injury, but there wasn’t a lot of info about it at that time so they weren’t given much credence and it was initially written off as him being racially targeted. Then somebody DID have more info and/or more allegations and it was like, OK, too much smoke now. To follow-up on this and correct my response… It actually all did happen rather quickly. The initial allegations of him sending nudes to children came out in April 2020, but the sheer craziness of the allegations and the fact that Clark had no known prior record of any issues to that point, led people to believe his story of his social media being hacked. And then Speaking Out happened in June 2020 and separate allegations of grooming and more nudes to children were made, and that was the end for him. So the timeline has it that he had the back injury and had come back from it before the allegations were made public. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 16, 2023 9:46:41 GMT -5
From the Aleister feud up until the Roddy feud, he was one of the most entertaining people to watch in wrestling. After the injury, it went downhill.
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Post by DMO- on Oct 16, 2023 10:08:35 GMT -5
I was a big fan, and had extremely high hopes for him. My brother and I used to get pumped up to see what gear he would be wearing for his takeover matches.
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Post by HIM on Oct 16, 2023 10:12:07 GMT -5
Yeah like others said here he's had different stages of his career. The beginning was bad, then he got really good and then when he came back from injury he was far worse. Most people really enjoyed him for his entertainment factor like his character, mannerisms, presentation, that stuff.
Man to this day I didn't vibe with that shit with him putting Roddy's fam over his junk like that. Shit was so weird even back then.
Like, I'm trying to find the right word to describe his type of character and what comes to mind is maybe a "Shock Jock Wrestler." He's good but what really made people enjoy him were the shocking and entertaining parts related to him. Like his clothes, the promos, movement, that Ricochet clip, just things that look good in video package or tiktok for quick consumption. Anything longer and you'd see issues.
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Post by salz4life on Oct 16, 2023 13:17:01 GMT -5
Honestly.... before his injury, absolutely. It really felt like he had "it". After the injury, he seemed a bit off, probably because of the out of the ring stuff. If he wasn't a major problem out of the ring, he'd probably be on the main roster by now.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 16, 2023 15:19:12 GMT -5
Yeah like others said here he's had different stages of his career. The beginning was bad, then he got really good and then when he came back from injury he was far worse. Most people really enjoyed him for his entertainment factor like his character, mannerisms, presentstion, that stuff. Man to this day I didn't vibe with that shit with him putting Roddy's fam over his junk like that. Shit was so weird even back then. Like, I'm trying to find the right word to describe his type of character and what comes to mind is maybe a "Shock Jock Wrestler." He's good but what really made people enjoy him were the shocking and entertaining parts related to him. Like his clothes, the promos, movement, that Ricochet clip, just things that look good in video package or tiktok for quick consumption. Anything longer and you'd see issues. It's pretty much universally agreed that the Roddy feud was awful and made him look like a heel. That said Ricochet's "Prove it" was probably the best he ever looked. |
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Oct 16, 2023 15:24:55 GMT -5
Worth mentioning, also, that even before the allegations he became very unpopular in the locker room. So I think him buying into his own hype probably had something to do with his downfall as well.
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Post by HIM on Oct 16, 2023 15:25:47 GMT -5
Yeah like others said here he's had different stages of his career. The beginning was bad, then he got really good and then when he came back from injury he was far worse. Most people really enjoyed him for his entertainment factor like his character, mannerisms, presentstion, that stuff. Man to this day I didn't vibe with that shit with him putting Roddy's fam over his junk like that. Shit was so weird even back then. Like, I'm trying to find the right word to describe his type of character and what comes to mind is maybe a "Shock Jock Wrestler." He's good but what really made people enjoy him were the shocking and entertaining parts related to him. Like his clothes, the promos, movement, that Ricochet clip, just things that look good in video package or tiktok for quick consumption. Anything longer and you'd see issues. It's pretty much universally agreed that the Roddy feud was awful and made him look like a heel. That said Ricochet's "Prove it" was probably the best he ever looked. Right that's what I instantly think of when I think of him at that time. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 16, 2023 15:48:10 GMT -5
Yeah like others said here he's had different stages of his career. The beginning was bad, then he got really good and then when he came back from injury he was far worse. Most people really enjoyed him for his entertainment factor like his character, mannerisms, presentstion, that stuff. Man to this day I didn't vibe with that shit with him putting Roddy's fam over his junk like that. Shit was so weird even back then. Like, I'm trying to find the right word to describe his type of character and what comes to mind is maybe a "Shock Jock Wrestler." He's good but what really made people enjoy him were the shocking and entertaining parts related to him. Like his clothes, the promos, movement, that Ricochet clip, just things that look good in video package or tiktok for quick consumption. Anything longer and you'd see issues. It's pretty much universally agreed that the Roddy feud was awful and made him look like a heel. That said Ricochet's "Prove it" was probably the best he ever looked. It really sucks that Dream and Riddle are Dream and Riddle because their Takeover match kicked ass. |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Oct 16, 2023 16:20:51 GMT -5
Before his back injury there was really good character work, with fine (and improving) in-ring stuff. Eventually he just kept cosplaying as Hogan for some reason and after his back injury he was dire.
I never personally saw him as good as a lot of others did.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Oct 16, 2023 18:01:21 GMT -5
Was it the Ciampa match where he was outright Hulking up and doing the leg drop and shit? Yep. Okay, as someone putting the piece together not watching this era. Did Hogan endorse him or something? Did he show up to NXT? Why out of all the people to pick, Dream picked Hogan to cosplay? There has to be a connection between the two here right? |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 16, 2023 19:49:34 GMT -5
Okay, as someone putting the piece together not watching this era. Did Hogan endorse him or something? Did he show up to NXT? Why out of all the people to pick, Dream picked Hogan to cosplay? There has to be a connection between the two here right? I want to say he was just doing it as a rib by being things that Hogan either isn’t or he hates, ie sexually ambiguous and black. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 16, 2023 20:38:23 GMT -5
Okay, as someone putting the piece together not watching this era. Did Hogan endorse him or something? Did he show up to NXT? Why out of all the people to pick, Dream picked Hogan to cosplay? There has to be a connection between the two here right? Nope. Was not mentioned. Hogan Didn't appear or say anything about him. He just came out one time for a Takeover cosplaying as Hogan... which people found weird but alright... then he just kept doing it at Takeover |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 16, 2023 20:50:30 GMT -5
Okay, as someone putting the piece together not watching this era. Did Hogan endorse him or something? Did he show up to NXT? Why out of all the people to pick, Dream picked Hogan to cosplay? There has to be a connection between the two here right? Well, Hogan was a judge for the Tough Enough season Dream was on, and there was one episode where Hogan put him up for elimination and then proceeded to use his save for the season on Dream. |
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Oct 16, 2023 21:56:23 GMT -5
Okay, as someone putting the piece together not watching this era. Did Hogan endorse him or something? Did he show up to NXT? Why out of all the people to pick, Dream picked Hogan to cosplay? There has to be a connection between the two here right? Hogan did tweet this: |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 18, 2023 16:36:18 GMT -5
There was a video package where he had had his ass kicked by someone, I think Malakai Black, the week before and he just said 'The Dream has no memory of that.'
From this point until the first time he did a Hogan spot in a match, he was absolutely pure gold. Clark was an absolute pro wrestling natural, and he had nobody to blame but himself for his eventual failure regardless of how much that injury slowed him down.
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Post by Urn Anderson on Oct 20, 2023 23:03:37 GMT -5
He had the charisma to go very far.
It’s one of the worst cases I’ve ever seen of squandering a great future by doing a completely reprehensible, dumbass thing, and in pro wrestling, that’s a high bar.
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