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Post by Chiral on Oct 15, 2023 16:08:03 GMT -5
as others mentioned there is him injuring his back but i swear there are at least two different occasions where you could tell he had completely gotten into his own hype and became worse for it, even before the terrible shit at one point though he was incredible Those jarring moments when he went from a classic WWF in the 80's/early 90's style storyline at one Takeover into the next one feeling like he willingly took on Charlie Haas impersonates wrestlers gimmick but with like "WWE creative team" spray painted on his ass
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2023 16:08:36 GMT -5
I wanna punch myself in the face for watching the Backlot Brawl And you'd think about insane brawl with Adam Cole would be at least very good. I myself did not have an issue with the action itself of that match. The production of that entire thing though is a whole shit festerting can of worms. there is a reason everytime something cinematic happens in a company LU will always be that standard comparison and no different and this entire production is a nice chunky look into why no one has been able to do what they did.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Oct 15, 2023 16:09:56 GMT -5
He had some OK matches with Ciampa, Gargano, Riddle and EC3. His programs with Ohno and Strong were not great. The Backlot Brawl dragged. But his best performances were against Black and Ricochet. That match with Black is one of my all-time favorites.
Also, kinda on topic: was the Backlot Brawl before or after the allegations came out? That whole period is such a blur.
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Post by J is Justice on Oct 15, 2023 16:13:02 GMT -5
Didn't see a single second of him but he had a cool look and would've been one of my boys.
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Post by 4real on Oct 15, 2023 16:18:02 GMT -5
I wanna punch myself in the face for watching the Backlot Brawl One of the worst matches of the pandemic era. Awful to watch.
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Post by ejm olmos on Oct 15, 2023 16:19:15 GMT -5
He was really f***ing good before his injury or whatever, but when he came back to feud with the Undisputed Era, he just wasn’t the same.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 15, 2023 16:32:59 GMT -5
He had some OK matches with Ciampa, Gargano, Riddle and EC3. His programs with Ohno and Strong were not great. The Backlot Brawl dragged. But his best performances were against Black and Ricochet. That match with Black is one of my all-time favorites. Also, kinda on topic: was the Backlot Brawl before or after the allegations came out? That whole period is such a blur. I want to say there were allegations that had come out even before the back injury, but there wasn’t a lot of info about it at that time so they weren’t given much credence and it was initially written off as him being racially targeted. Then somebody DID have more info and/or more allegations and it was like, OK, too much smoke now.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Oct 15, 2023 17:03:07 GMT -5
He had some OK matches with Ciampa, Gargano, Riddle and EC3. His programs with Ohno and Strong were not great. The Backlot Brawl dragged. But his best performances were against Black and Ricochet. That match with Black is one of my all-time favorites. Also, kinda on topic: was the Backlot Brawl before or after the allegations came out? That whole period is such a blur. I want to say there were allegations that had come out even before the back injury, but there wasn’t a lot of info about it at that time so they weren’t given much credence and it was initially written off as him being racially targeted. Then somebody DID have more info and/or more allegations and it was like, OK, too much smoke now. I remember a lot of us had soured on him going into that match, but I couldn't remember if it was the allegations or the decline in his work, combined with the memory of the Roddy feud.
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Post by MrElijah on Oct 15, 2023 17:11:55 GMT -5
And you'd think about insane brawl with Adam Cole would be at least very good. I myself did not have an issue with the action itself of that match. The production of that entire thing though is a whole shit festerting can of worms. there is a reason everytime something cinematic happens in a company LU will always be that standard comparison and no different and this entire production is a nice chunky look into why no one has been able to do what they did. I could get what they were going for but a Parking Lot Brawl isn't hard to do. Just look at Regal/Finlay or Eddie/Cena, I mean they have the footage, just book a fight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2023 17:15:38 GMT -5
I myself did not have an issue with the action itself of that match. The production of that entire thing though is a whole shit festerting can of worms. there is a reason everytime something cinematic happens in a company LU will always be that standard comparison and no different and this entire production is a nice chunky look into why no one has been able to do what they did. I could get what they were going for but a Parking Lot Brawl isn't hard to do. Just look at Regal/Finlay or Eddie/Cena, I mean they have the footage, just book a fight. That is what makes it funnier and also sadder. It is such an easy concept like you pointed out that did not need to be "cinematic" but for some reason during this time they were really into trying to do that.
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Post by J. Hova on Oct 15, 2023 22:00:19 GMT -5
I thought he was the next big thing. He had the look, work was good, and had loads of potential. He also seemingly had the machine behind him. After his injury, it just became the entrance.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Oct 15, 2023 22:22:56 GMT -5
The feud with Black was as perfect an outcome you could ever have hoped for in wrestling in terms of two guys elevating each other.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Oct 15, 2023 22:47:57 GMT -5
Solid in-ring, solid promo and flawless presentation.
If Patrick Clark wasn't Patrick Clark, this could have felt like the perfect representation of Prince as a wrestler.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 15, 2023 22:51:13 GMT -5
The injury killed his ring work. And Patrick Clark being a creep killed everything else worthwhile about the gimmick.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 15, 2023 23:08:31 GMT -5
as others mentioned there is him injuring his back but i swear there are at least two different occasions where you could tell he had completely gotten into his own hype and became worse for it, even before the terrible shit at one point though he was incredible there was stuff like him wearing a call me up Vince shirt while doing Hogan Mannerisms at every Takeover for reasons that were never really explained... edit: sorry it was Call me up Vince TIGHTS
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 15, 2023 23:49:59 GMT -5
Somewhere in the middle of all of this, he had a match against Orange Cassidy at an EVOLVE show.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 16, 2023 1:39:09 GMT -5
It looked like WWE had a talent that came about Once in a Lifetime, but it turned out Dream was a nonce in a lifetime. Dude betrayed talent that many would have killed for by being a POS.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 16, 2023 2:41:24 GMT -5
The guy had the 'IT' factor.
For his level of his experience he was an absolutely insanely gifted talent, ridiculously athletic and absolutely fearless.
He went all out, and especially in the first few big matches he had I felt like he was about to kill himself but he managed to make it click. It's a testament to how good he actually was that he became one of the most popular people in the territory during NXT's crazy workrate era.
But yeah he ruined all of it, my last memory of him was a ladder match in the PC during COVID when they tried to bring him back after the allegations. I think he did a spot that almost killed himself again then, but it was all just so awkward and uncomfortable, you just knew he was done.
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Post by carter 15 on Oct 16, 2023 7:25:38 GMT -5
what on earth was up with those Hogan entrances anyway?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 16, 2023 7:36:19 GMT -5
what on earth was up with those Hogan entrances anyway? I could be wrong but weren't they during the time Hogan was Persona Non Grata in the company? Because I think it fueled speculation both sides were good now? I could be wildly wrong but there was something around that time that made it extra weird.
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