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Post by salz4life on Oct 17, 2023 9:07:49 GMT -5
Have Kofi shockingly hit the Trouble in Paradise at the beginning.... Kofi goes to pin and Brock does the "push up" kick out and then have brock do his suplex city gimmick and then F5 for the win (assuming they want to still do some type of "squash")... at least give Kofi something in the match.
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Post by chrom on Oct 17, 2023 9:43:19 GMT -5
I'm not upset that it happened to Brock only that it happened so quickly as it killed off any chance of Kofi ever being in the title picture again. The way Kofi lost made him look like a bitch, and the aftermath didn't exactly help too, Kofi went back to tagging with Big E and Xavier and with the exception of one moment where he crushed a pancake in frustration, never really changed his attitude, never got angry and never even asked for a rematch. And when he got mocked for losing in under five seconds, his only response was to say it was actually seven seconds.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 17, 2023 9:51:33 GMT -5
I would have had Lesnar squash him, but in a much longer match. Kofi being competitive with Lesnar isn't realistic. And him being competitive with Bryan and Balor was? Because that's your logic with that since they're all about the same size. Brock is at his best with people who can match him as all around athletes (your Kurt Angles etc) and your small dudes he can make look amazing. If you had him and Kofi face off for 10 minutes, easy WWE MOTY contender right there.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Oct 17, 2023 10:15:25 GMT -5
I have no problem of him losing it to Brock, but it should have been at least more than a glorified squash match.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 17, 2023 11:28:55 GMT -5
If Brock had to win, it should've at least been a competitive match.
I know we overuse the term "bitch" about someone who has a high profile loss. But Kofi being squashed and sent right back to the midcard without even sniffing the WWE Championship again is the textbook definition of being one.
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Post by DichEvans on Oct 17, 2023 12:09:51 GMT -5
As we all know, in the end because of the Cain signing, Brock and him were already set in stone for the Saudi show so Kofi had to drop it. Say WWE doesn't sign Cain, so Brock goes no where near the WWE title in 2019, how do you end the title reign? You could start with Big E turning on Kofi and we get a feud where E gets to the WWE title quicker and Kofi drops it to his friend around Survivor Series or The Rumble. Then there's the 2020 Royal Rumble. He is forced and ordered to defend the title in the Rumble match itself. This is a way to get the title off Kofi, but keep him very strong since he isn't pinned at all here. And the guy who eliminates him gets the Mania feud with Kofi while a new champion is crowned to free up the title if need be. Or the other Rumble option is, while he DOESN'T defend the title like Brock in 2020, he's still in the match. He's eliminated and gets his new feud for the title. Drew still wins the Rumble. We get Drew vs. Kofi at Wrestlemania 36. One mega face puts over another one and Kofi gets through one year as champion. You could go with the option of an actual regular match at the Rumble where Kofi goes against Brock in a cash in match, booked in advance. Brock wins here. Drew wins Rumble. We still get the Brock vs. Drew for the title. Kofi loses with his dignity in tact with a competitive match. Kofi could lose the belt at Elimination Chamber to Brock. Drew still challenges Brock at Wrestlemania still as planned. Kofi gets to Wrestlemania 36 and defends the title and drops it to someone other than Big E, Brock or Drew. It could be one of these ideas. It could be something else you have in mind. But what was the proper way to end Kofi-Mania's title reign? I think the ending versus Brock was fine if he got the win back
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 17, 2023 14:26:14 GMT -5
Kofi vs Brock similar to Punk vs Brock at SummerSlam 2013.
In the end, Kofi hits trouble in Paradise but Big E costs him the match.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Oct 17, 2023 18:17:49 GMT -5
Pretty crazy how the answer here is almost unanimously Brock Lesnar. Not in the way he won, but in that it should have been Brock to beat Kofi
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 17, 2023 18:47:08 GMT -5
Pretty crazy how the answer here is almost unanimously Brock Lesnar. Not in the way he won, but in that it should have been Brock to beat Kofi I mean, in my opinion anyway, I “got” (and I’d crash the forum if I put the air quotes I actually wanted to put in) the logic of doing Brock/Cain for the Crown Jewel show for the title because it was a match you could build to so if that had to happen, it made “sense” for Brock to be champion for that. Everything else, though (the actual match, the diluting of Lucha Cain, not doing anything else with him for some reason and then firing him during the pandemic, everything that happened with him afterwards)? Yeah, all of that was a mistake.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 17, 2023 23:52:56 GMT -5
I do take issue with the way he lost but my bigger qualm was more with the total lack of follow up after it ended. It just felt like he got slotted right back to where he was when he could've been a Drew or Sheamus type upper card guy who can slot in for world title programs every so often.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 18, 2023 1:33:41 GMT -5
I do take issue with the way he lost but my bigger qualm was more with the total lack of follow up after it ended. It just felt like he got slotted right back to where he was when he could've been a Drew or Sheamus type upper card guy who can slot in for world title programs every so often. Oh yeah, he looked like a total goober for just going back to the New Day and acting like it wasn’t a big deal. Drew won the title with zero people in the audience and he gets follow ups all the time but Kofi can’t?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 18, 2023 2:31:55 GMT -5
I do take issue with the way he lost but my bigger qualm was more with the total lack of follow up after it ended. It just felt like he got slotted right back to where he was when he could've been a Drew or Sheamus type upper card guy who can slot in for world title programs every so often. Oh yeah, he looked like a total goober for just going back to the New Day and acting like it wasn’t a big deal. Drew won the title with zero people in the audience and he gets follow ups all the time but Kofi can’t? I guess to be fair it does kind of seem like they intended to do something else then backed out when Xavier got injured, since they were teasing Kofi being pissed off over it initially.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 18, 2023 3:06:19 GMT -5
Oh yeah, he looked like a total goober for just going back to the New Day and acting like it wasn’t a big deal. Drew won the title with zero people in the audience and he gets follow ups all the time but Kofi can’t? I guess to be fair it does kind of seem like they intended to do something else then backed out when Xavier got injured, since they were teasing Kofi being pissed off over it initially. That’s fair, he did snap something in half the week after? Could be misremembering that.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 18, 2023 3:11:00 GMT -5
I guess to be fair it does kind of seem like they intended to do something else then backed out when Xavier got injured, since they were teasing Kofi being pissed off over it initially. That’s fair, he did snap something in half the week after? Could be misremembering that. Yeah, a pancake. It was referenced earlier. Just a shame that this is all that this title run is remembered for, because the dude went legit undefeated for months at one point. One of the longest win streaks of the entire 2000s.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 18, 2023 3:13:32 GMT -5
That’s fair, he did snap something in half the week after? Could be misremembering that. Yeah, a pancake. It was referenced earlier. Just a shame that this is all that this title run is remembered for, because the dude went legit undefeated for months at one point. One of the longest win streaks of the entire 2000s. Again, I think some of that would be more forgiven if the thing we have for when people go "Where was the follow up?" wasn't "He crumpled up a pancake and then he got over it, I guess". EDIT: And there was him getting a massive pop at the Rumble when Brock was still in the ring which, I mean, that would have been a hint to do something but *shrug*.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 18, 2023 3:21:32 GMT -5
Yeah, a pancake. It was referenced earlier. Just a shame that this is all that this title run is remembered for, because the dude went legit undefeated for months at one point. One of the longest win streaks of the entire 2000s. Again, I think some of that would be more forgiven if the thing we have for when people go "Where was the follow up?" wasn't "He ripped a pancake in half and then he got over it, I guess". Like, he was literally tag champion again barely a month later, that's how quick he was shuffled out of there. The closest he got to follow up was him lasting a little bit longer against Lesnar when he was steamrolling guys in the next Royal Rumble. (Yeah, you mentioned that while I was typing this) Man, all this coming back to mind is why I'm a bit leery on squash matches as a concept these days. It's all well and good when the guy you like is doing the squashing or it's someone you hate getting squashed, but otherwise, all it does is just piss people off.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Oct 18, 2023 5:09:20 GMT -5
I never would have put it on him to start with.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 18, 2023 7:55:12 GMT -5
I never would have put it on him to start with. Considering that Jinder Mahal was WWE Champion, Kofi was a breath of fresh air, but could have had a better reign and ending for sure.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 18, 2023 16:15:32 GMT -5
I'm assuming all these people saying 'have him squash Kofi because it's realistic' are 1. all totally against Rey Mysterio, the eternally mega over superhero babyface who makes millions in merchandise for any promotion and himself ever winning a match 2. Don't watch MMA? Because I don't watch MMA either but even in the small sprinkling of documentaries I've watched it's pretty clear that the idea that 'big' = 'win' is far from accurate
Anyway. Brock is booked as a final boss character, so I would still have it be pretty rough on Kofi. But like. You just book it like the Jeff Hardy/Undertaker ladder match. Brock beats the shit out of Kofi for a while, starts playing around with him because he thinks he has it sewn up. Kofi gets hope spots a few times and then Brock stops him with a power spot. It seems hopeless, but Kofi finally manages to start chaining some offense together by being fast. Brock spams finishers, so Kofi just starts spamming the Trouble in Paradise on him. It's a kick to the face, I don't care how big you are, that shit sucks. Brock is still kicking out. Brock takes back over, and he is beating the shit out of Kofi - and Kofi doesn't stay down. Kofi has a few other hope spots, and is still getting destroyed, but he just keeps kicking out and kicking out. Maybe get some 'accidental' hardway colour out of it. Kofi isn't even actively fighting back now - but he's still kicking out. Brock suplexes Kofi on the floor to get a count out, because why not. Kofi makes it back in at 9.9. Brock wipes out the ref, and goes to get a chair. Kofi has a final flurry where he rolls Brock up and an agonisingly slow two count, then Brock is finally done with this shit. He F5s Kofi one more time, puts him in the kimura and Kofi passes out - outclassed, but fighting to the last.
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