agent817
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Post by agent817 on Oct 30, 2023 10:31:44 GMT -5
I have heard that the show is an abomination, like as bad as December 2 Dismember (though I liked the opener), King of the Ring 1995, Great American Bash 2005, etc. I am not curious enough to want to watch it, although I do remember sitting through Great American Bash 2004, which was a bad show but I think a lot of it was because a good amount of the card was filler that you would see on Smackdown or Velocity at that time. I did enjoy Rey Mysterio vs. Chavo Guerrero as well as Eddie Guerrero vs. JBL, however.
Regarding other ones, I liked Crown Jewel 2019, which was decent, if good. Crown Jewel 2021 was one of the best shows of that year. I haven't watched last year's Crown Jewel but I heard it was good and I may check it out soon.
Then again, I guess you could say those early Saudi Arabia shows weren't that great, at least pre-COVID (save for Crown Jewel 2019). I heard the Greatest Royal Rumble wasn't that good whether it's talking about the undercard or the Rumble itself. I heard Super Showdown 2019 was bad but maybe slightly better than Crown Jewel 2018.
One thing I know about Crown Jewel 2018 is that Shawn Michaels returned to the ring for that tag match and couldn't go like he used to. I had heard that he regretted coming out of retirement just for that match. Yes, I have heard some things about how the Crown Prince wanted some old wrestlers, even ones who are deceased. I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair in a match in 2019 but thank goodness we had a 10-man tag match with one team representing Hogan and the other representing Flair.
For those who have watched Crown Jewel 2018, is it really as bad as people say it is?
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 30, 2023 10:53:06 GMT -5
For those who have watched Crown Jewel 2018, is it really as bad as people say it is? Yes, yes it is. You had Kurt Angle wrestle for 8 minutes, which is 8 minutes longer than he should have, Brock Lesnar pretty much kill off Braun Strowman as a main event talent in a squash, and the truly abominable main event in which Triple H blew out his pec. Those three moments make it as bad as people say it is.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 30, 2023 10:56:24 GMT -5
If I'm being honest, I barely remember it beyond the disaster of the main event, which is probably as much of an indictment as anything.
That said, it's a crime that HBK came out of retirement when AJ Styles was on the same show. You could have done Triple H vs. Taker and HBK vs. AJ and satisfied both the nostalgia itch and also done something cool with HBK.
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Post by Talent Name on Oct 30, 2023 11:06:30 GMT -5
For those who have watched Crown Jewel 2018, is it really as bad as people say it is? Yes, yes it is. You had Kurt Angle wrestle for 8 minutes, which is 8 minutes longer than he should have, Brock Lesnar pretty much kill off Braun Strowman as a main event talent in a squash, and the truly abominable main event in which Triple H blew out his pec. Those three moments make it as bad as people say it is. Don't forget Shane winning a world cup when he wasn't even in the tournament to start
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Oct 30, 2023 11:07:23 GMT -5
If I'm being honest, I barely remember it beyond the disaster of the main event, which is probably as much of an indictment as anything. That said, it's a crime that HBK came out of retirement when AJ Styles was on the same show. You could have done Triple H vs. Taker and HBK vs. AJ and satisfied both the nostalgia itch and also done something cool with HBK. Plus, HBK would've been a way better replacement for Bryan than Joe getting ANOTHER title shot that he wasn't going to win. Also, the World Cup had promise, but was so poorly executed and was only done to set up Shane McMahon's heel run the following year.
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Post by salz4life on Oct 30, 2023 11:16:33 GMT -5
If this is the HBK return one, I've never watched it. I was planning on watching it a day later, but after hearing about how bad HBK was (and everyone associated with the match)... I vowed to never watch it.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 30, 2023 12:10:39 GMT -5
It was not only an awful show in its own right, but done in the wake of Jamal Khashoggi's assassination. They downplayed some promotion of it to a degree, but they were still one of the only companies to still do business so publicly with the Saudi government in the immediate aftermath.
That it turned out to be such a bad show anyway was the cherry on top of the shit sundae. But it'd still be a very infamous show even if every match on the card got 5 stars from Meltzer.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 30, 2023 12:14:56 GMT -5
You know when something is so bad it's good?
It wasn't that.
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Post by Schizo on Oct 30, 2023 12:33:15 GMT -5
It was a terrible show flat out. Shawn should of stayed retired
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 30, 2023 12:45:11 GMT -5
It was a terrible show flat out. Shawn should of stayed retired Kurt Angle should have retired long before then.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Oct 30, 2023 12:47:50 GMT -5
i think it is the one WWE PPV I haven't watched in the last 5 years. maybe i should watch it to laugh at it
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 30, 2023 12:52:47 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems with the DX/BoD match was that the build made Undertaker a petulant, whiny prick.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 30, 2023 12:55:25 GMT -5
Yes, yes it is. You had Kurt Angle wrestle for 8 minutes, which is 8 minutes longer than he should have, Brock Lesnar pretty much kill off Braun Strowman as a main event talent in a squash, and the truly abominable main event in which Triple H blew out his pec. Those three moments make it as bad as people say it is. Don't forget Shane winning a world cup when he wasn't even in the tournament to start All they had to do was just let Miz fight through the “injury” and win the match himself. It would have made his face turn so much better, honestly.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 30, 2023 13:02:21 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems with the DX/BoD match was that the build made Undertaker a petulant, whiny prick. That match would still have had one team with two broken down wrestlers and the other had a dude that came out of retirement for the match and a dude who was past his best, and having Taker not be a twat in the buildup wouldn't have changed that or the match taking place in KSA. Or taking part full stop.
That said, it didn't help that the build was The Undertaker taking umbrage that HBK had actually stayed retired.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Oct 30, 2023 13:09:21 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought HBK looked decent in that match? Granted everyone else was falling apart in various ways that he would have looked amazing in comparison.
Just a shame that apparently it scared him off having any more matches when he could’ve had one with AJ or Bryan.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 30, 2023 13:51:53 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought HBK looked decent in that match? Granted everyone else was falling apart in various ways that he would have looked amazing in comparison. HBK looked like that only dude that could actually still go. That match wasn't his fault.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 30, 2023 13:58:18 GMT -5
it's rare that the in ring qualty matches the moral void these shows present but HHH managed it
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Post by rainandlava on Oct 30, 2023 14:12:49 GMT -5
Setting aside the controversy of the event happening after Jamal Khashoggi's assassination (to the point where even U.S. Senators allegedly told WWE not to do the show), I watched some of it with a few friends (though this was when I was stopping watching WWE), and it felt like I was watching a comedy of disasters...but lacking the comedy and being a full on disaster.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 30, 2023 20:24:58 GMT -5
I thought about it for a bit, and I know how that whole storyline should have gone.
Miz should have powered through the injury and not let Shane take over, instead he convinces Shane to let him fight.
He gets a hard fought win over Ziggler and wins the World Cup, next Smackdown Shane tells Miz that he’s proud of him, Miz remarks that he never really heard that from his dad, Shane says neither did he.
Everything up through Wrestlemania happens unchanged.
The next Smackdown, Shane comes out with the World Cup trophy, claiming that since he beat Miz at Mania, now HE is the best in the world.
Then Miz actually wins the damn rematch like he should have and gets his trophy back.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 31, 2023 16:14:46 GMT -5
Yes, yes it is. You had Kurt Angle wrestle for 8 minutes, which is 8 minutes longer than he should have, Brock Lesnar pretty much kill off Braun Strowman as a main event talent in a squash, and the truly abominable main event in which Triple H blew out his pec. Those three moments make it as bad as people say it is. Don't forget Shane winning a world cup when he wasn't even in the tournament to start I was absolutely infuriated by this. The 'Shane McMahon: Greatest Wrestler Ever' thing was really fun as a weird heel gimmick but then he just started actually being booked as a great wrestler, and it just. I was so f***ing mad at this show.
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