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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 3, 2023 23:20:23 GMT -5
Okay so actually the pilot was in May but whatever, the actual start of the show was November 4th.
Honestly it's really not a show I look back on super fondly, feel like way too much of its runtime was bogged down in useless filler and there were core storytelling problems that just compounded more and more as the show went (plus at a point Steven's constant martyr complex got to where I just actively found him unlikable), and I never even actually bothered with watching Future, but there was certainly a period of time I was very into it and if I tried watching it again while I don't think I'd actually finish the show I'd probably enjoy a significant chunk of the ride.
If nothing else a lot of the songs are still bangers.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 3, 2023 23:43:32 GMT -5
I personally adored it all the way through, though I can't deny there were definite pacing problems. I think one issue with it people have is that a lot of the stuff they have either directly or metaphorically happen is so intense, they knew they couldn't portray any of it as having easy answers, or even any answer at all. Like, yup, if you were born with a disability that isn't going away... well... yeah, that pretty much sucks. You can't narratively resolve that. Or if you're traumatized from an abusive relationship, it's going to be a long, slow, quiet process to recover... so you get to that in the background for a while and we'll check in later, I guess?
That sort of thing doesn't really bug me, but I can see how mileage varies. I think Future is definitely worth watching, though it's hard to tell to what extent that sort of thing is just fanservice.
But one thing's definitely inarguable, the high points of that show, both dramatic and comedic, are high.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 3, 2023 23:48:54 GMT -5
Okay so actually the pilot was in May but whatever, the actual start of the show was November 4th. Honestly it's really not a show I look back on super fondly, feel like way too much of its runtime was bogged down in useless filler and there were core storytelling problems that just compounded more and more as the show went (plus at a point Steven's constant martyr complex got to where I just actively found him unlikable), and I never even actually bothered with watching Future, but there was certainly a period of time I was very into it and if I tried watching it again while I don't think I'd actually finish the show I'd probably enjoy a significant chunk of the ride. If nothing else a lot of the songs are still bangers. My friend used to be a big fan of the show... but kinda got annoyed when every major enemy ended up being beaten with the power of friendship. |
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Nov 4, 2023 11:09:14 GMT -5
I got so much to say about this show but I'll keep it some what condensed.
When Steven was cooking, it was arguably the greatest thing Cartoon Network ever did. Just... yeah pacing issues amd new episodes being months apart killed any momentum it could get. Something was better than nothing but getting 3 episodes followed by 9 months of nothing was kind of ass in retrospect.
The biggest issue is how it ended and Future was... Weird. I've always said Steven was the Game of Thrones of animation. Was hyped as hell during its run, had a lackluster ending and now no one talks about it as much and has tarnished its legacy after it aired.
What I'm trying to convey and say here is Peridot is best gem.
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Post by Demented on Nov 4, 2023 11:31:54 GMT -5
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 4, 2023 15:51:10 GMT -5
I got so much to say about this show but I'll keep it some what condensed. When Steven was cooking, it was arguably the greatest thing Cartoon Network ever did. Just... yeah pacing issues amd new episodes being months apart killed any momentum it could get. Something was better than nothing but getting 3 episodes followed by 9 months of nothing was kind of ass in retrospect. The biggest issue is how it ended and Future was... Weird. I've always said Steven was the Game of Thrones of animation. Was hyped as hell during its run, had a lackluster ending and now no one talks about it as much and has tarnished its legacy after it aired. What I'm trying to convey and say here is Peridot is best gem. Having the epitome Toxic Tumblr Fandom is what really hurt the show's legacy, in my opinion. I think it's less that the ending was egregious and more that by then, everyone was just exhausted. Even those of us who liked the show but had nothing to do with the fandom knew it was tarnished. I admit I don't have a huge amount of specific memories of Future, but I remember finding the whole thing pretty pleasant, and the Final Boss was earned, though it definitely could have used a few more episodes of buildup. I mostly just liked how explicit the Utena references got in the Pearl stuff. Oh, random thing that just popped into my head: Remember when Rebecca Sugar pretty much just wrote a blatant Aqua Teen Hunger Force crossover episode just so she could give Carl a happy ending? |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 4, 2023 16:05:47 GMT -5
I got so much to say about this show but I'll keep it some what condensed. When Steven was cooking, it was arguably the greatest thing Cartoon Network ever did. Just... yeah pacing issues amd new episodes being months apart killed any momentum it could get. Something was better than nothing but getting 3 episodes followed by 9 months of nothing was kind of ass in retrospect. The biggest issue is how it ended and Future was... Weird. I've always said Steven was the Game of Thrones of animation. Was hyped as hell during its run, had a lackluster ending and now no one talks about it as much and has tarnished its legacy after it aired. What I'm trying to convey and say here is Peridot is best gem. Think the backend of season 2 was like unambiguously the highpoint of the show and don't think it's a coincidence that that was the period of time where Peridot was the most prominent. Feel like in general the show should've been mostly about her and Pearl since they felt like the characters with the most interesting stories to tell. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 4, 2023 16:44:21 GMT -5
Dude, why are you making a thread for a show that you don’t feel super fond of and you’re so unsure if you would enjoy again?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 4, 2023 17:23:06 GMT -5
Dude, why are you making a thread for a show that you don’t feel super fond of and you’re so unsure if you would enjoy again? It's a significant anniversary of a show that at least has some degree of staying power in people talking about it and looking back on it fondly so it felt worth bringing it up for people to reflect on, and even if I do have issues with it overall I did still ultimately enjoy parts of it and was pretty into it for awhile, and I kind of tried to be fair on some of that in talking about it. I'd say there's a part of the show that still means something to me even if I ultimately don't think it stuck the landing. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 4, 2023 22:44:31 GMT -5
Oh, random thing that just popped into my head: Remember when Rebecca Sugar pretty much just wrote a blatant Aqua Teen Hunger Force crossover episode just so she could give Carl a happy ending? Wait what? |
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Post by chazraps on Nov 5, 2023 0:47:40 GMT -5
This was a top TV moment of the 2010s:
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 5, 2023 7:52:31 GMT -5
Dude, why are you making a thread for a show that you don’t feel super fond of and you’re so unsure if you would enjoy again? It's a significant anniversary of a show that at least has some degree of staying power in people talking about it and looking back on it fondly so it felt worth bringing it up for people to reflect on, and even if I do have issues with it overall I did still ultimately enjoy parts of it and was pretty into it for awhile, and I kind of tried to be fair on some of that in talking about it. I'd say there's a part of the show that still means something to me even if I ultimately don't think it stuck the landing. So you don’t think it stuck the landing, but you still want to rewatch it? I’m sorry, I don’t get it. For me, either I like something or I don’t. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 5, 2023 19:25:18 GMT -5
Oh, random thing that just popped into my head: Remember when Rebecca Sugar pretty much just wrote a blatant Aqua Teen Hunger Force crossover episode just so she could give Carl a happy ending? Wait what? A Thanksgiving episode, where Greg's relative is a boorish, unpleasant, miserable, angry, isolated New Jersian who is voiced by Dave Willis doing exactly the Carl voice, and whose life is enriched by acceptance and kindness. |
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Post by chazraps on Nov 6, 2023 1:06:04 GMT -5
It's a significant anniversary of a show that at least has some degree of staying power in people talking about it and looking back on it fondly so it felt worth bringing it up for people to reflect on, and even if I do have issues with it overall I did still ultimately enjoy parts of it and was pretty into it for awhile, and I kind of tried to be fair on some of that in talking about it. I'd say there's a part of the show that still means something to me even if I ultimately don't think it stuck the landing. So you don’t think it stuck the landing, but you still want to rewatch it? I’m sorry, I don’t get it. For me, either I like something or I don’t. It's a culturally significant show worth discussing that used to have an extremely passionate fanbase on this board, so it's an appropriate place for it too. I'm not a Doctor Who guy but I love discussions of lost episodes being found. I'm not a Game of Thrones or Lost guy but I'm intrigued by discussions of how shows that were inescapable pop culture staples burned through good will so bad that there's surprisingly much less nostalgia for it than their contemporaries. I don't see what the OP made here as being a hate thread, but rather a thought-out perspective and strong jumping-off point for discussing something that made a splash on a significant anniversary to share new insight from hindsight. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 6, 2023 1:47:44 GMT -5
A Thanksgiving episode, where Greg's relative is a boorish, unpleasant, miserable, angry, isolated New Jersian who is voiced by Dave Willis doing exactly the Carl voice, and whose life is enriched by acceptance and kindness. I watched a clip of it and it's not the full on Carl voice... it's close but he doesn't quite get the bass there... Also it can't be Carl he has no mustache >_> |
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