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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 30, 2024 8:01:44 GMT -5
Probably the right decision. Looking forward to the match for as long or as it short as it goes. Nice to see a non-title women’s match on the card. Probably not the best idea if you want to keep Damage CTRL (or its members) with any semblance of credibility though. They’re heels, they’ll be fine |
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Post by mistery on Mar 30, 2024 8:11:13 GMT -5
Probably not the best idea if you want to keep Damage CTRL (or its members) with any semblance of credibility though. They’re heels, they’ll be fine Buddy, have you even been following their career arc? Damage CTRL has been cooling off for ages now, because they just do nothing but lose when it matters the most. Look at Judgment Day. A group of heels, and outside of JD, all of them are super over. And guess why? Because while they do have their fair share of losses, they also get to look dominant more often than not and do win major matches. Where Damage CTRL rarely gets to look dominant (you can probably count how many times they've actually looked dominant on both hands since their formation), and have lost pretty much every major match they've been in, even ones they should have won (which you have defended them losing in as well, btw). And as a result, have cooled off massively. Now explain to me why Jade ragdolling Dakota Kai (a veteran), Kairi Sane (also a veteran and former NXT Women's Champion), and Asuka (a veteran, had the longest undefeated streak in WWE history, and also the longest reigning NXT Women's Champion) is going to be fine? It might be good for Jade, but absolutely terrible for everyone in Damage CTRL, and harms their legacies. |
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 30, 2024 9:07:58 GMT -5
Probably not the best idea if you want to keep Damage CTRL (or its members) with any semblance of credibility though. They’re heels, they’ll be fine Yeah I think the average fan that goes to shows isn't keeping a spreadsheet on wins and losses to determine how much they react to certain. If they think they are cool and are on TV a lot they will get cheer regardless of their w-l ratio. Jey Uso and Chad Gable get good reactions from the crowd without beating everyone in squash matches. I think credibility is now reflected on A)Are you on TV constantly B) Do you do cool stuff/charismatic rather than their W-L. Like JD as a male faction gets their heads kicked in by main eventers and Finn repeatedly lost to Seth but the live audience still reacts to them because they are always on TV and they are seen as cool. What kills people's popularity (Non-Roman division) is not being on TV for a while so even coming back to win a squash means very little. So if Damage CTRL is on TV a bunch after Mania they will be fine. |
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Post by gl83 on Mar 30, 2024 9:28:34 GMT -5
They’re heels, they’ll be fine Yeah I think the average fan that goes to shows isn't keeping a spreadsheet on wins and losses to determine how much they react to certain. If they think they are cool and are on TV a lot they will get cheer regardless of their w-l ratio. Jey Uso and Chad Gable get good reactions from the crowd without beating everyone in squash matches. I think credibility is now reflected on A)Are you on TV constantly B) Do you do cool stuff/charismatic rather than their W-L. Like JD as a male faction gets their heads kicked in by main eventers and Finn repeatedly lost to Seth but the live audience still reacts to them because they are always on TV and they are seen as cool. What kills people's popularity (Non-Roman division) is not being on TV for a while so even coming back to win a squash means very little. So if Damage CTRL is on TV a bunch after Mania they will be fine. I guess last year's booking of Damage Ctrl does support your argument. I mean look no further than Damage Ctrl's booking heading into WrestleMania last year. At this point last year, Damage Ctrl were getting clowned and rekt every single week on the RTWM, go on to lose their WrestleMania match as well and in the end it didn't matter as WWE still pushed them as top acts and title contenders immediately afterwards. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 30, 2024 10:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 30, 2024 10:56:45 GMT -5
Weird to not have the Women's Tag titles defended at Mania.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Mar 30, 2024 11:21:20 GMT -5
Weird to not have the Women's Tag titles defended at Mania. Second year in a row, unfortunately. Didn't the IC title also go years without being defended at WM? |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 30, 2024 11:24:14 GMT -5
They’re heels, they’ll be fine Buddy, have you even been following their career arc? Damage CTRL has been cooling off for ages now, because they just do nothing but lose when it matters the most. Look at Judgment Day. A group of heels, and outside of JD, all of them are super over. And guess why? Because while they do have their fair share of losses, they also get to look dominant more often than not and do win major matches. Where Damage CTRL rarely gets to look dominant (you can probably count how many times they've actually looked dominant on both hands since their formation), and have lost pretty much every major match they've been in, even ones they should have won (which you have defended them losing in as well, btw). And as a result, have cooled off massively. Now explain to me why Jade ragdolling Dakota Kai (a veteran), Kairi Sane (also a veteran and former NXT Women's Champion), and Asuka (a veteran, had the longest undefeated streak in WWE history, and also the longest reigning NXT Women's Champion) is going to be fine? It might be good for Jade, but absolutely terrible for everyone in Damage CTRL, and harms their legacies.Because the focus and priority at the moment is on Jade. At one point the focus was Damage CTRL. That's how wrestling works. Not everyone can be winning everything all the time. |
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Post by mistery on Mar 30, 2024 11:53:20 GMT -5
Buddy, have you even been following their career arc? Damage CTRL has been cooling off for ages now, because they just do nothing but lose when it matters the most. Look at Judgment Day. A group of heels, and outside of JD, all of them are super over. And guess why? Because while they do have their fair share of losses, they also get to look dominant more often than not and do win major matches. Where Damage CTRL rarely gets to look dominant (you can probably count how many times they've actually looked dominant on both hands since their formation), and have lost pretty much every major match they've been in, even ones they should have won (which you have defended them losing in as well, btw). And as a result, have cooled off massively. Now explain to me why Jade ragdolling Dakota Kai (a veteran), Kairi Sane (also a veteran and former NXT Women's Champion), and Asuka (a veteran, had the longest undefeated streak in WWE history, and also the longest reigning NXT Women's Champion) is going to be fine? It might be good for Jade, but absolutely terrible for everyone in Damage CTRL, and harms their legacies.Because the focus and priority at the moment is on Jade. At one point the focus was Damage CTRL. That's how wrestling works. Not everyone can be winning everything all the time. Here's the problem though, and it's a big one. Damage CTRL, even when the focus is on them, basically never f***ing win when it matters the most. They have spent the past year and a half doing nothing but jobbing to Bianca (even on their debut they got ran off on the very next RAW by Bianca), and now Jade on top of that. So when do the women in Damage CTRL get their own chance to shine and win actual feuds, matches that matter, etc? Because it sure as hell hasn't happened yet. They have yet to come out on top in any meaningful feud they've had. WWE had a chance at last year's Mania, because Becky was already a made star, and Lita and Trish were already Hall of Famers (also Lita was completely washed at that point and shouldn't have even been wrestling). But instead WWE went for the awful nostalgia pop. Then you had War Games this year, where Kairi had JUST returned, and Asuka had just turned heel. Instead of capitalizing on that momentum, WWE immediately fed Damage CTRL to Becky, Charlotte, and Bianca. Again, none of them needed it. And now at Mania, you have Iyo likely losing to Bayley (who doesn't need the title, and her reign will probably be a dud as she will have literally no one to feud with that is credible), and the rest of Damage CTRL basically being set up to get completely demolished by Jade and Bianca (therefore destroying any credibility Damage CTRL has left to even hypothetically challenge Bayley). So tell me. When does Damage CTRL actually get their own time to shine where they win feuds and look strong? Because it's never actually happened. Maybe now you understand why fans of Damage CTRL are pissed off. |
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Post by clc on Mar 30, 2024 11:59:55 GMT -5
I realize this is literally the DMG CTRL thread so I shouldnt expect otherwise, but it seems to be the place where this match is being discussed. Y'all are on one I think. Everywhere else I see online people are hyped the f*** up for this match. And yes, Jade, Naomi, and Bianca will win but personally I think a trio of black women coming together to beat some heels is cool and good and think y'all should too. Being happy about a trio of black women getting together to beat up a group of asian women is certainly an interesting take.
As "heels" they are not credible enough for anyone to care. They have attacked Bianca, but Bianca has been kicking their butts from pillar to post for what seems like 3 years now (I think it's just 2 tough). They turned on Bayley, but Bayley was evil for like the past 5 years. The story is literally built on, "Bayley is the good one, because these other girls are not native english speakers". I find it kinda disgusting actually; and what is more disgusting is how the majority of fans are just going with it.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 30, 2024 13:01:22 GMT -5
This was IMO the best part of this entire build. We finally get IYO's side of this story and comes off like her NXT self and she spits nothing but absoloute truth. And the brawl was just chefs kiss very very intense and IYO looks like she took the light to the head lol. It legit felt like to two crazed women who just want to kill eachother and it was helped by them going to what looked like security camera pov that made this overall feel more chaotic and not so staged. I hope they get the time to absoloutley kill it because if they are IMO we are gonna get the best version of IYO in ring so far in her whole WWE run and same with Bayley because she could not have a better dance partner as they say. FFS, THIS is what they should have been doing with Iyo and Bayley all along. This is fantastic. And Iyo gets to show her charisma as well. |
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Mar 30, 2024 13:10:52 GMT -5
I realize this is literally the DMG CTRL thread so I shouldnt expect otherwise, but it seems to be the place where this match is being discussed. Y'all are on one I think. Everywhere else I see online people are hyped the f*** up for this match. And yes, Jade, Naomi, and Bianca will win but personally I think a trio of black women coming together to beat some heels is cool and good and think y'all should too. Being happy about a trio of black women getting together to beat up a group of asian women is certainly an interesting take. As "heels" they are not credible enough for anyone to care. They have attacked Bianca, but Bianca has been kicking their butts from pillar to post for what seems like 3 years now (I think it's just 2 tough). They turned on Bayley, but Bayley was evil for like the past 5 years. The story is literally built on, "Bayley is the good one, because these other girls are not native english speakers". I find it kinda disgusting actually; and what is more disgusting is how the majority of fans are just going with it.
Listen. I'm not here to talk about the Bayley/Io feud or its social implications so lets leave that aside. This is about Bianca/Naomi/Jade for me, and the reaction in this thread to seeing black women get to be conquering heroes. A friend of mine who's black doesn't watch WWE, but did watch this episode of Smackdown with their grandma. They saw three black women unite to fight the bad guys and got extremely excited and messaged me with their excitement. Seeing people in this thread down on it because their non-black faves are the heels getting dunked on is pretty weird to me. I think its incredibly misguided and not looking at the wider picture. I don't think this thread really understands what they kind of thing does for the black community. And countering it with "but the heels are Asian, so that isnt actually good" really doesn't change that. Gonna get maybe a bit controversial here, but we changed the acronym to BIPOC for a reason folks. Does the bad treatment of Asian wrestlers in WWE matter materially? Yeah. But like, black wrestlers have also had a historical problem with good representation in WWE as FD Signifier just made a couple really good videos about. Thats only started to change over the past few years on the backs of wrestlers like Bianca. I really have no problem with her continuing to get her flowers for that. As for the fact that the heels in the match are Asian. Well to me, the fact that its three black women versus two Japanese women and a half Samoan queer woman is part of why its so exciting. When I sent the match graphic to my friend I mentioned, thats what they saw. They saw six fantastic woc wrestlers booked in a match together. And the black women as the heroes. This is cool, this is progress, and the fact that some of you can't see that is troubling to me. And honestly I feel like its worth mentioning here than the Kabuki Warriors literally have gold on display in the match graphic. Gold they wont be losing yet because the titles aren't on the line. I want the joshi talent in WWE to get their flowers too, don't get me wrong. But I mean, Io's got a long reign with one of the world titles, and the Kabuki Warriors are the current tag champs. And all of them are on the card at the most important show of the year, while other women languish with nothing. And people are still complaining because they, the heels, look weak or whatever. Its just doing way too much over your preference for joshis. Are there even credible white heels for them to be toppling instead? Maybe be happy that these three are considering important enough to put on the card at all? Seems to me like its progress for Japanese wrestlers in WWE that two of them are considered the best possible heels to put these three black faces against at Wrestlemania. Honestly like... this is kind of part of whats going to happen with a diverse division lol. Sometimes poc wrestlers are going to have to be the heels that look like chumps against the conquering faces. The fact that the heels that are high tier enough for these three black women to face off against at Wrestlemania are DMG CTRL is a mark in their favor. But it seems like some of you stan the joshis so hard that nothing is really good enough for you with them. There's only so much room at the top of the division and quiet frankly Kairi, Io, and Asuka are doing quiet well for themselves considering.All in all, I think its incredibly misguided fave-driven morality to say "three black women getting to unite to be conquering hero faces is bad, because the heels they are conquering are Asian". |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 30, 2024 13:18:02 GMT -5
I really just wish Asuka would get a Mania win for once and otherwise don't really remotely give a shit about Damage CTRL or the match itself.
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Post by gl83 on Mar 30, 2024 13:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 30, 2024 13:37:52 GMT -5
This is twice within weeks in this thread it's either been implied or outright said if you want Damage CTRL to lose a match you're racist against Asians. Someone was just doing that with me for daring to want Bayley to win at Mania.
These stan threads are starting to jump the shark. Every wrestler shouldn't need their own special ongoing circlejerk that always devolves into toxicity and relentlessly shitting on anyone who beats the person or is pushed harder. If a specific match/promo/feud is worthy it could naturally get its own topic. Like that IYO/Bayley segment was cool but no one bothers to make a thread about it because it seems to be kind of understood this is the "official" Damage CTRL discussion and some people might have been put off posting in it if they're not mega fans and could be greeted with hostility if they don't toe the line and only praise the subject at all times. The Liv thread has basically turned into the same thing.
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Post by schma on Mar 30, 2024 13:43:30 GMT -5
That is great even if she's gonna be destroyed.
Toatesmadhackrviper has a point in that it's great to see some diversity on Wrestlemania. That said I also get the frustration for Damage Ctrl. They are prominently featured but they rarely get the better of anyone. Bianca has made the entire faction her bitches for a couple of years now without needing help. Damage CTRL is gonna be squashed at Wrestlemania and that sucks. But, they are on the Wrestlemania card and there are a lot of great wrestlers that cannot say that. It's something.
WWE could definitely do better by the Joshi's, I'm genuinely hoping that Wrestlemania give Iyo a chance to showcase why she's considered the best in the world. I would love to see Kairi get a chance to really show what she can do, hell the whole faction. It'd be great to see the faction turn face and pick up some wins. That said, looking at the women's tag division and midcard, things could be so much worse for them. It's not much of a consellation but it's something.
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Post by Woo on Mar 30, 2024 14:09:35 GMT -5
I realize this is literally the DMG CTRL thread so I shouldnt expect otherwise, but it seems to be the place where this match is being discussed. Y'all are on one I think. Everywhere else I see online people are hyped the f*** up for this match. And yes, Jade, Naomi, and Bianca will win but personally I think a trio of black women coming together to beat some heels is cool and good and think y'all should too. Maybe because, and god help me because I am pointing this out, there are fans who are pissed off that Asuka, Kairi, etc are getting shafted at Mania likely because of their own ethnicity. Getting shafted by being given a match at WrestleMania? Getting shafted by being dominant champions? Getting shafted by being in a faction holding world and tag titles? What the hell is this misery posting? You claim to be a fan of these women, why aren't you happy? Also you keep saying they always lose when it matters... Except that cannot be true as they are all champions. Can we please end all these giant huge threads? I know you don't want hundreds of Liv Morgan thread, or constant complaining threads about the alleged mistreatment of the Joshis or Cody Rhodes, but I miss the days when threads were shorter and I can read about the latest wrestling hot angle or story without needing to read 100 pages of backstory. |
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 30, 2024 14:12:34 GMT -5
Black women vs. Asian Women.
With Mia Yim caught in the middle.
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Post by J is Justice on Mar 30, 2024 14:12:38 GMT -5
Wtf is happening.
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Post by The Captain on Mar 30, 2024 14:14:57 GMT -5
Why is this thread turning into race wars?
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