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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 3, 2024 7:43:59 GMT -5
You expect the same person who threw a fit when TK didn't answer questions yet was completely silent when HHH didn't answer questions to honestly fact check Punk when he's going on his diatribe against AEW? Edit: I just remembered that Helwani is also the person who referred to AEW fans as "freakazoids". So yeah, it's no surprise that he let Punk bury AEW without any kind of fact checking. It's not debate club. Asking Punk about a huge list of topics and getting him to give his opinion is absolutely Helwani's job in that situation. And then people can make their minds up from there (as they have done). The idea it would've been a better interview for him to start arguing back and forth is wild wishcasting. He wouldn't have gotten 1/10th of the information with that approach. In any case, he literally asked the guy about Colt Cabana and the hypocrisy of his opening AEW promo. It isn't a debate club, no, but it is shitty interviewing I know I am not the only trained (but no longer working) journalist on this website, but wrestling journalists are some of the shittiest in the world, and if you know anything about the journalism industry that's one of the harshest insults I can possibly give of someone Wrestling journalists are so afraid of losing their WWE all access passes that they typically refuse to ask a question more difficult than 'Mr Punk your popularity is like a runaway freight train' It is so phenomenally rare for any wrestling journos to ask an actual hard hitting question, or go in deeper on a question - have you seen that f***ing Outlaws shoot where they're both off their tits, and they're asked about working with the New Midnight Express (Bart Gunn and Bob Holly) and Billy says that him and Bart worked them, i.e. Billy and Bart wrestled Bob and Bart, somehow, and they just move on. That's the standard of wrestling journalism almost across the f***ing board Honestly, even the good ones don't seem to actually ask many difficult questions, they just get booking leaks wrong less often
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 3, 2024 8:44:31 GMT -5
It's not debate club. Asking Punk about a huge list of topics and getting him to give his opinion is absolutely Helwani's job in that situation. And then people can make their minds up from there (as they have done). The idea it would've been a better interview for him to start arguing back and forth is wild wishcasting. He wouldn't have gotten 1/10th of the information with that approach. In any case, he literally asked the guy about Colt Cabana and the hypocrisy of his opening AEW promo. It isn't a debate club, no, but it is shitty interviewing I know I am not the only trained (but no longer working) journalist on this website, but wrestling journalists are some of the shittiest in the world, and if you know anything about the journalism industry that's one of the harshest insults I can possibly give of someone Wrestling journalists are so afraid of losing their WWE all access passes that they typically refuse to ask a question more difficult than 'Mr Punk your popularity is like a runaway freight train' It is so phenomenally rare for any wrestling journos to ask an actual hard hitting question, or go in deeper on a question - have you seen that f***ing Outlaws shoot where they're both off their tits, and they're asked about working with the New Midnight Express (Bart Gunn and Bob Holly) and Billy says that him and Bart worked them, i.e. Billy and Bart wrestled Bob and Bart, somehow, and they just move on. That's the standard of wrestling journalism almost across the f***ing board Honestly, even the good ones don't seem to actually ask many difficult questions, they just get booking leaks wrong less often I kind of doubt any of them are journalists at all. If you went to J-School, you want to cover politics first and foremost. If you can't make it onto the political beat, you'll probably end up in sports. These are the people who weren't even good enough to be credentialed sportswriters. They probably don't have a Journalism Degree.
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Post by Moppy on Apr 3, 2024 8:45:01 GMT -5
It's an insightful interview, but some of it's very... erm...
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 3, 2024 9:26:51 GMT -5
It isn't a debate club, no, but it is shitty interviewing I know I am not the only trained (but no longer working) journalist on this website, but wrestling journalists are some of the shittiest in the world, and if you know anything about the journalism industry that's one of the harshest insults I can possibly give of someone Wrestling journalists are so afraid of losing their WWE all access passes that they typically refuse to ask a question more difficult than 'Mr Punk your popularity is like a runaway freight train' It is so phenomenally rare for any wrestling journos to ask an actual hard hitting question, or go in deeper on a question - have you seen that f***ing Outlaws shoot where they're both off their tits, and they're asked about working with the New Midnight Express (Bart Gunn and Bob Holly) and Billy says that him and Bart worked them, i.e. Billy and Bart wrestled Bob and Bart, somehow, and they just move on. That's the standard of wrestling journalism almost across the f***ing board Honestly, even the good ones don't seem to actually ask many difficult questions, they just get booking leaks wrong less often I kind of doubt any of them are journalists at all. If you went to J-School, you want to cover politics first and foremost. If you can't make it onto the political beat, you'll probably end up in sports. These are the people who weren't even good enough to be credentialed sportswriters. They probably don't have a Journalism Degree. Oh I'm pretty sure almost no successful journalists these days have actual journalism degrees (not even getting into the difference between a journalism degree where I went to which teaches you how to do journalism, compared to other universities where you write long essays about what journalism is and its history, but are still both called journalism degrees), but I think in wrestling journalism it will be the lowest imaginable percentage as compared to any other field. I can tell you for definite that there is at least one wrestling journo who has a degree, because he was in my graduating class. He also got one of the worst grades out of any of us
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 3, 2024 9:37:45 GMT -5
It's not debate club. Asking Punk about a huge list of topics and getting him to give his opinion is absolutely Helwani's job in that situation. And then people can make their minds up from there (as they have done). The idea it would've been a better interview for him to start arguing back and forth is wild wishcasting. He wouldn't have gotten 1/10th of the information with that approach.In any case, he literally asked the guy about Colt Cabana and the hypocrisy of his opening AEW promo. Helwani did that with TK when TK didn't want to answer questions. He turned it into an argument with TK. When HHH did the same, Helwani didn't turn it into an argument. Helwani is a grifter, plain and simple. No different than Cornette or Bischoff in that vein. The funny thing to me is I actually thought the TK interview with Helwani was good. Yeah there are things he said he couldn't talk about and they were kind of all together, but I don't think it hurt the interview really and was surprised with how angry Helwani got about the interview. Also to be clear I really don't care about the WWE vs AEW aspect. I just laugh at how much Punk contradicts himself... and that's just inside this interview not even comparing it to comments he made previously.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 3, 2024 17:16:39 GMT -5
It's not debate club. Asking Punk about a huge list of topics and getting him to give his opinion is absolutely Helwani's job in that situation. And then people can make their minds up from there (as they have done). The idea it would've been a better interview for him to start arguing back and forth is wild wishcasting. He wouldn't have gotten 1/10th of the information with that approach. In any case, he literally asked the guy about Colt Cabana and the hypocrisy of his opening AEW promo. It isn't a debate club, no, but it is shitty interviewing I know I am not the only trained (but no longer working) journalist on this website, but wrestling journalists are some of the shittiest in the world, and if you know anything about the journalism industry that's one of the harshest insults I can possibly give of someone Wrestling journalists are so afraid of losing their WWE all access passes that they typically refuse to ask a question more difficult than 'Mr Punk your popularity is like a runaway freight train' It is so phenomenally rare for any wrestling journos to ask an actual hard hitting question, or go in deeper on a question - have you seen that f***ing Outlaws shoot where they're both off their tits, and they're asked about working with the New Midnight Express (Bart Gunn and Bob Holly) and Billy says that him and Bart worked them, i.e. Billy and Bart wrestled Bob and Bart, somehow, and they just move on. That's the standard of wrestling journalism almost across the f***ing board Honestly, even the good ones don't seem to actually ask many difficult questions, they just get booking leaks wrong less often That's all great... it has nothing to do with this interview with Punk. He literally asked the guy, and followed up, getting answers on Vince McMahon, Colt Cabana, fighting with Jack Perry, fighting with the Bucks, Hangman Page, comments he made about WWE when he was in AEW. A literal interview where a currently contracted WWE star compared Vince to Jeffrey Dahmer, and we're saying no difficult questions were asked? CM Punk is not running for office, nor is he standing trial. Helwani reaching for whatever axe the internet wants to grind to 'hold him to account' would've ended the interview in five minutes. He asked questions on all the topics people would want to hear about. CM Punk gave his answers. People are capable at looking at those answers and judging for themselves. The good interview part was getting the answers, which he wouldn't have got by trying to be the MMA Jeremy Paxman.
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 3, 2024 17:32:52 GMT -5
I do think it's interesting to see Punk and Cody's interviews back-to-back. While both have been departed AEW in differing circumstances (many of which out of their control) I think you see why the latter has ended up as the company guy more so than the former. Rhodes has the feel of someone that can turn so many negative experiences into positive ones (well he is friends with DDP that might explain it) and comes off as passionate without being bitter or wanting to settle old scores.
Punk's under no obligation to remain silent about his grievances, but he comes off as someone for whom bad times really linger prefers a very specific narrative about himself.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 3, 2024 17:58:19 GMT -5
It isn't a debate club, no, but it is shitty interviewing I know I am not the only trained (but no longer working) journalist on this website, but wrestling journalists are some of the shittiest in the world, and if you know anything about the journalism industry that's one of the harshest insults I can possibly give of someone Wrestling journalists are so afraid of losing their WWE all access passes that they typically refuse to ask a question more difficult than 'Mr Punk your popularity is like a runaway freight train' It is so phenomenally rare for any wrestling journos to ask an actual hard hitting question, or go in deeper on a question - have you seen that f***ing Outlaws shoot where they're both off their tits, and they're asked about working with the New Midnight Express (Bart Gunn and Bob Holly) and Billy says that him and Bart worked them, i.e. Billy and Bart wrestled Bob and Bart, somehow, and they just move on. That's the standard of wrestling journalism almost across the f***ing board Honestly, even the good ones don't seem to actually ask many difficult questions, they just get booking leaks wrong less often That's all great... it has nothing to do with this interview with Punk. He literally asked the guy, and followed up, getting answers on Vince McMahon, Colt Cabana, fighting with Jack Perry, fighting with the Bucks, Hangman Page, comments he made about WWE when he was in AEW. A literal interview where a currently contracted WWE star compared Vince to Jeffrey Dahmer, and we're saying no difficult questions were asked? CM Punk is not running for office, nor is he standing trial. Helwani reaching for whatever axe the internet wants to grind to 'hold him to account' would've ended the interview in five minutes. He asked questions on all the topics people would want to hear about. CM Punk gave his answers. People are capable at looking at those answers and judging for themselves. The good interview part was getting the answers, which he wouldn't have got by trying to be the MMA Jeremy Paxman. I don't know if you know much about Ariel Helwani or about MMA but this post is very, very funny in relation to what Helwani's known for.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 3, 2024 18:01:42 GMT -5
I don't know if you know much about Ariel Helwani or about MMA but this post is very, very funny in relation to what Helwani's known for. I mean, dude’s asked so many people about AEW in interviews during WrestleMania week, he’s either trying to get quirky soundbites to get negative attention or trying to get a job with AEW.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 3, 2024 18:09:17 GMT -5
I don't know if you know much about Ariel Helwani or about MMA but this post is very, very funny in relation to what Helwani's known for. I mean, dude’s asked so many people about AEW in interviews during WrestleMania week, he’s either trying to get quirky soundbites to get negative attention or trying to get a job with AEW. Not even in an AEW context; the man's claim to fame was being the guy who took his role as MMA podcaster guy on a sports news site that was originally hosted on goddamn Angelfire, and ended up with over a decade of unbroken claims for MMA journalist of the year. Dude's had public, high profile clashes with Dana White that continue to this day, including a lifetime ban from UFC events some years ago for critical coverage of the company, that was rescinded after huge outcry from people including high profile MMA fighters due to the respect he had. The man has unflinchingly been an ethical and aggressive journalist in the MMA space and clashed for years with the UFC because of his unwillingness to back down on them. Pushing back against an interviewee's dubious claims or pressing them on contradictions is literal baby stuff compared to the many, many things Helwani has done that are genuinely deserving of respect. Dude's got his Weird Thing about AEW and it's absolutely colouring what's going on here, but Helwani comes in to wrestling as a fan and openly says he's not going to try hard and not going to bother (unless he's grillign Tony Khan about questions he's already been told there's legal obstacles to him answering), and that's deserving of some critcism.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 3, 2024 22:02:23 GMT -5
That's all great... it has nothing to do with this interview with Punk. He literally asked the guy, and followed up, getting answers on Vince McMahon, Colt Cabana, fighting with Jack Perry, fighting with the Bucks, Hangman Page, comments he made about WWE when he was in AEW. A literal interview where a currently contracted WWE star compared Vince to Jeffrey Dahmer, and we're saying no difficult questions were asked? CM Punk is not running for office, nor is he standing trial. Helwani reaching for whatever axe the internet wants to grind to 'hold him to account' would've ended the interview in five minutes. He asked questions on all the topics people would want to hear about. CM Punk gave his answers. People are capable at looking at those answers and judging for themselves. The good interview part was getting the answers, which he wouldn't have got by trying to be the MMA Jeremy Paxman. I don't know if you know much about Ariel Helwani or about MMA but this post is very, very funny in relation to what Helwani's known for. Well... yes. Quite literally the point I'm making. I don't care who Helwani is, whether he's done good interviews or bad interviews in the past or what his approach has been to those. The extent of my knowledge of him is that he had a spat with Tony Khan and did promos for Sami Zayn's match vs Roman. In this specific instance, he got one of the bigger stars in the industry to go on the record about a long list of controversial topics he hadn't previously spoken about. That is a good interview. And it's totally distorting reality to say it was all Lisa Simpson-Mr Burns style questions, the stuff on Vince alone disqualifies it from that. From here, people can (and clearly do) have opinions on whether Punk clarified his stance in this or made himself look an even bigger asshole. As an interviewer, there are some people you need to push to get the newsworthy lines, some will offer them willingly. By luck or by design, Helwani staying mostly out of the way in this one gave him infinitely more than he would have by barracking Punk about how much of a terrible hypocrite he is.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 3, 2024 22:54:47 GMT -5
I don't know if you know much about Ariel Helwani or about MMA but this post is very, very funny in relation to what Helwani's known for. Well... yes. Quite literally the point I'm making. I don't care who Helwani is, whether he's done good interviews or bad interviews in the past or what his approach has been to those. The extent of my knowledge of him is that he had a spat with Tony Khan and did promos for Sami Zayn's match vs Roman. In this specific instance, he got one of the bigger stars in the industry to go on the record about a long list of controversial topics he hadn't previously spoken about. That is a good interview. And it's totally distorting reality to say it was all Lisa Simpson-Mr Burns style questions, the stuff on Vince alone disqualifies it from that. From here, people can (and clearly do) have opinions on whether Punk clarified his stance in this or made himself look an even bigger asshole. As an interviewer, there are some people you need to push to get the newsworthy lines, some will offer them willingly. By luck or by design, Helwani staying mostly out of the way in this one gave him infinitely more than he would have by barracking Punk about how much of a terrible hypocrite he is. In this specific instance, he let the guy give his side of the story with zero pushback through a whole heap of hypocrisies and contradictions to an audience largely made up of people who don't know much at all abotu the situation, and by letting that all sit there without offering the mildest effort to challenge a single word of it, basically let Punk run his own PR on the podcast. I would argue that asking CM Punk, noted critic of Vince McMahon, about Vince McMahon is an easy lay-up. Vince doesn't sign Ariel's checks and unless WWE is threatening people to not say a word about him under punishment of death, that's not actually a hard-hitting question. Punk criticizing Vince is not controversy, it's not plumbing the depths of who he is as a person or peeling back anything. You're massively overvaluing what asking him about Vince syas in the broader scheme of the interview. Also, you not caring who Helwani is doesn't make his past, his style, or how he does things immaterial to the criticism here. Ariel Helwani becomes a significantly less compelling and challenging journalist when he gets someone from WWE across from him, and the specific idea of just having Punk go on about all of his gripes with other people can be a 'good interview' in terms of getting Punk to speak, and a bad interview in other ways.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Apr 3, 2024 22:56:43 GMT -5
WWE content is so good right now.
AEW content is so good right now.
Backstage wrestling drama when things are good is exhausting.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 4, 2024 2:25:54 GMT -5
Well... yes. Quite literally the point I'm making. I don't care who Helwani is, whether he's done good interviews or bad interviews in the past or what his approach has been to those. The extent of my knowledge of him is that he had a spat with Tony Khan and did promos for Sami Zayn's match vs Roman. In this specific instance, he got one of the bigger stars in the industry to go on the record about a long list of controversial topics he hadn't previously spoken about. That is a good interview. And it's totally distorting reality to say it was all Lisa Simpson-Mr Burns style questions, the stuff on Vince alone disqualifies it from that. From here, people can (and clearly do) have opinions on whether Punk clarified his stance in this or made himself look an even bigger asshole. As an interviewer, there are some people you need to push to get the newsworthy lines, some will offer them willingly. By luck or by design, Helwani staying mostly out of the way in this one gave him infinitely more than he would have by barracking Punk about how much of a terrible hypocrite he is. In this specific instance, he let the guy give his side of the story with zero pushback through a whole heap of hypocrisies and contradictions to an audience largely made up of people who don't know much at all abotu the situation, and by letting that all sit there without offering the mildest effort to challenge a single word of it, basically let Punk run his own PR on the podcast. I would argue that asking CM Punk, noted critic of Vince McMahon, about Vince McMahon is an easy lay-up. Vince doesn't sign Ariel's checks and unless WWE is threatening people to not say a word about him under punishment of death, that's not actually a hard-hitting question. Punk criticizing Vince is not controversy, it's not plumbing the depths of who he is as a person or peeling back anything. You're massively overvaluing what asking him about Vince syas in the broader scheme of the interview. Also, you not caring who Helwani is doesn't make his past, his style, or how he does things immaterial to the criticism here. Ariel Helwani becomes a significantly less compelling and challenging journalist when he gets someone from WWE across from him, and the specific idea of just having Punk go on about all of his gripes with other people can be a 'good interview' in terms of getting Punk to speak, and a bad interview in other ways. Punk said it was indefensible. Compared Vince to Dahmer and Benoit. Said he'd ruined his own life. Helwani called it evil. Punk offered complete belief and unequivocal support to a woman who is actively suing WWE. This is the week of WrestleMania where WWE/TKO has set up a line of it's wrestlers to go on Helwani's show. A casual look at the more mainstream news outlets that have covered this, CBS Sports and Daily Mail both led with Punks quotes on Vince. The fact Punk was seemingly happy to go there (although he was asked multiple follow ups when they could've just moved on) doesn't make getting that a less impressive bit of journalism. And it certainly doesn't paint a picture of a guy asking soft ball questions because he's afraid to lose his access, which was suggested further up in the thread. As for the rest of it, what specifically should he have challenged Punk on, given that nobody else directly involved in the AEW drama has said anything? To my knowledge, the only person who has said something publicly that contradicts Punk's version of events is Tony Khan, and Ariel did put that to him. And the apparent hypocrisy of Punk's own quotes on AEW vs WWE when he first signed there.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 4, 2024 3:09:32 GMT -5
I would argue that asking CM Punk, noted critic of Vince McMahon, about Vince McMahon is an easy lay-up. Vince doesn't sign Ariel's checks and unless WWE is threatening people to not say a word about him under punishment of death, that's not actually a hard-hitting question. Punk criticizing Vince is not controversy, it's not plumbing the depths of who he is as a person or peeling back anything. You're massively overvaluing what asking him about Vince syas in the broader scheme of the interview.. Yeah, like, the fact is…they all should be. Instead of talking about how sad they are about their wrestling dad being accused of manipulative and downright abusive acts to add to his business sumbaggery, Punk should be saying he sucks. The only weirder thing to come out of it is him acting like it’s all over when it seems clear the culture is still firmly there with or without him. Every person who works in WWE should be asked of any prominence should be. It shouldn’t be lauded as a big deal that someone did.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 4, 2024 13:26:44 GMT -5
In this specific instance, he let the guy give his side of the story with zero pushback through a whole heap of hypocrisies and contradictions to an audience largely made up of people who don't know much at all abotu the situation, and by letting that all sit there without offering the mildest effort to challenge a single word of it, basically let Punk run his own PR on the podcast. I would argue that asking CM Punk, noted critic of Vince McMahon, about Vince McMahon is an easy lay-up. Vince doesn't sign Ariel's checks and unless WWE is threatening people to not say a word about him under punishment of death, that's not actually a hard-hitting question. Punk criticizing Vince is not controversy, it's not plumbing the depths of who he is as a person or peeling back anything. You're massively overvaluing what asking him about Vince syas in the broader scheme of the interview. Also, you not caring who Helwani is doesn't make his past, his style, or how he does things immaterial to the criticism here. Ariel Helwani becomes a significantly less compelling and challenging journalist when he gets someone from WWE across from him, and the specific idea of just having Punk go on about all of his gripes with other people can be a 'good interview' in terms of getting Punk to speak, and a bad interview in other ways. Punk said it was indefensible. Compared Vince to Dahmer and Benoit. Said he'd ruined his own life. Helwani called it evil. Punk offered complete belief and unequivocal support to a woman who is actively suing WWE. This is the week of WrestleMania where WWE/TKO has set up a line of it's wrestlers to go on Helwani's show. A casual look at the more mainstream news outlets that have covered this, CBS Sports and Daily Mail both led with Punks quotes on Vince. The fact Punk was seemingly happy to go there (although he was asked multiple follow ups when they could've just moved on) doesn't make getting that a less impressive bit of journalism. And it certainly doesn't paint a picture of a guy asking soft ball questions because he's afraid to lose his access, which was suggested further up in the thread. As for the rest of it, what specifically should he have challenged Punk on, given that nobody else directly involved in the AEW drama has said anything? To my knowledge, the only person who has said something publicly that contradicts Punk's version of events is Tony Khan, and Ariel did put that to him. And the apparent hypocrisy of Punk's own quotes on AEW vs WWE when he first signed there. CM Punk contradicted CM Punk's own version of his events in the story but I'm not going to litigate that section and instead center you to a specific idea that Ariel Helwani as a heavily connected journalist who has done work or WWE and who has explicitly said that he's not a wrestling journalist, would still be given guardrails for this interview. As would Punk. WWE arranges all its talents' media appearances and they would have ideas in place to restrict what can or can't be said. That he was able to ask and that Punk went as deep as he did tells me that there is no taboo around burying the f*** out of Vince and that it in fact benefits the company to put Vince into the dirt and call him a monster. Also, nowhere did I minimize what Punk said in criticism of it; I think he was right to do it and I even in my post gave him credit for saying what plenty of people in the wrestling business have not been able to say. I minimized its value as askign tough questions. You are not pushing Punk as an interview subejct when you get him to say harsh things about Vince McMahon. You're just not. Punk hates Vince and is happy to rip him to shreds. But did he, say, ask if there's a culture of sexual abuse in WWE? DId he ask if he ever witnessed Vince or wrestlers or other management doing stuff? No, it was focused on Vince being evil, which has been the thesis statement of CM Punk for fifteen years. Helwani asked what he was allowed to ask in the realms he was allowed to ask it and only about things his guest was comfortable talking about. The weight of the subject matter is irrelevant to that perception.
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Post by Renslayer on Apr 4, 2024 14:40:33 GMT -5
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Post by Venti on Apr 4, 2024 14:52:16 GMT -5
The discourse around Punk is getting so tiring to read. It's like people wanna pick apart every little thing he says or does.
In the interview he even says the positives outweigh the negatives in regards to AEW, and that he hopes they do well.
I'm not saying everyone has to like him or agree with him. I can understand why people can't stand him.
But like, damn lol. People be writing whole thesis statements about why he's the scum of the earth
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Post by Fade on Apr 4, 2024 14:55:44 GMT -5
The discourse around Punk is getting so tiring to read. It's like people wanna pick apart every little thing he says or does. In the interview he even says the positives outweigh the negatives in regards to AEW, and that he hopes they do well. I'm not saying everyone has to like him or agree with him. I can understand why people can't stand him. But like, damn lol. People be writing whole thesis statements about why he's the scum of the earth It’s exactly what Haitch said: he’s a conduit for attention. In this business? It’s perfect.
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Post by Schizo on Apr 4, 2024 15:07:56 GMT -5
The discourse around Punk is getting so tiring to read. It's like people wanna pick apart every little thing he says or does. In the interview he even says the positives outweigh the negatives in regards to AEW, and that he hopes they do well. I'm not saying everyone has to like him or agree with him. I can understand why people can't stand him. But like, damn lol. People be writing whole thesis statements about why he's the scum of the earth Right? Like he didn’t outright bury AEW like many here are making it seemed. I think people are just to overprotective of AEW that they just focus on the criticism towards the company and dial it up to 11. Especially the ones that hate Punk anyways. He spoke his mind about his experience working there while still throwing in some praise. The mere existence of CM Punk seems to get under people’s skin lol
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