Nr1Humanoid
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Nov 27, 2023 15:36:08 GMT -5
Too bad Vince is out. If anyone deserves the Punk brain freeze...
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Post by markymark on Nov 27, 2023 15:37:11 GMT -5
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 27, 2023 15:37:24 GMT -5
I guarantee you, even if the AEW controversy didn't happen, there still would be the disdain towards him for going back to WWE. I mean, people were bitching when he was on the WWE Backstage show in 2021, calling him the same buzzwords, "hypocrite, no morals, how can you go back to the company that almost killed you." People seem to think that CM Punk is this manifestation of everything they hate about WWE. PG, John Cena, Sport's Entertainment, everything they hate about it, they put into him because he's supposed to be this rebel that hate's all of that. When, in reality, from the "Pipe bomb" up until he left, he was just a WWE Superstar. He acted as a face and a heel according to what WWE wanted him to do. He had that goofy love triangle storyline with Daniel Bryan and AJ Lee while he was a face, and acted like a smug asshole when he was a heel, running away from the good guys like Ryback and John Cena. He lost his 400 plus day title reign to The Rock, lost to Undertaker at WrestleMania, lost to Brock Lesnar, and was putting over The Shield when he left. CM Punk was a star, on talk shows and celebrity shows. I never say the "he HATES the WWE system," during that time. So where id it come from, the Colt Cobana podcast when it was shortly after he left, and emotions were sky high? When he was in AEW? Because him bashing WWE in AEW wasn't shocking at all, he whole character was "disgruntle WWE star." He has to, just like all the other former WWE stars have to, just like Edge said, "to get a cheap pop." Judging by the discourse and tribalism that's even on this topic alone, it's what the AEW fans wanted to hear. And, if his ego is a massive and people say it is, do you really think he would just fade away after his untimely exit from AEW? I mean, once he was fired from AEW, it was only a matter of when, not if, he'll be back in WWE. Then Survivor Series was in Chicago, then the teases started, and it all clicked. Now, people are actively angry at him, acting like he betrayed them, when in reality Phil Brooks is not your friend, you don't know him personally. Now, if you excuse me, I'm going to watch his return for the 25th time. Nah, you're underselling how much his tantrums in AEW soured people's perception of him. Just go see the general consensus in his two huge threads in that section. Before scrumgate happened, you couldn't even envision a thread on him that was 90% negative. He was the guy here. The jokes about CM Punk paradoxes existed for a reason. He's obviously still got a huge fanbase and for the people that don't watch AEW not much has changed and he's been gone since 2014, but if the AEW stuff didn't happen, a lot of people that stopped watching WWE might be rushing back right now.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Nov 27, 2023 15:39:42 GMT -5
I guarantee you, even if the AEW controversy didn't happen, there still would be the disdain towards him for going back to WWE. I mean, people were bitching when he was on the WWE Backstage show in 2021, calling him the same buzzwords, "hypocrite, no morals, how can you go back to the company that almost killed you." People seem to think that CM Punk is this manifestation of everything they hate about WWE. PG, John Cena, Sport's Entertainment, everything they hate about it, they put into him because he's supposed to be this rebel that hate's all of that. When, in reality, from the "Pipe bomb" up until he left, he was just a WWE Superstar. He acted as a face and a heel according to what WWE wanted him to do. He had that goofy love triangle storyline with Daniel Bryan and AJ Lee while he was a face, and acted like a smug asshole when he was a heel, running away from the good guys like Ryback and John Cena. He lost his 400 plus day title reign to The Rock, lost to Undertaker at WrestleMania, lost to Brock Lesnar, and was putting over The Shield when he left. CM Punk was a star, on talk shows and celebrity shows. I never say the "he HATES the WWE system," during that time. So where id it come from, the Colt Cobana podcast when it was shortly after he left, and emotions were sky high? When he was in AEW? Because him bashing WWE in AEW wasn't shocking at all, he whole character was "disgruntle WWE star." He has to, just like all the other former WWE stars have to, just like Edge said, "to get a cheap pop." Judging by the discourse and tribalism that's even on this topic alone, it's what the AEW fans wanted to hear. And, if his ego is a massive and people say it is, do you really think he would just fade away after his untimely exit from AEW? I mean, once he was fired from AEW, it was only a matter of when, not if, he'll be back in WWE. Then Survivor Series was in Chicago, then the teases started, and it all clicked. Now, people are actively angry at him, acting like he betrayed them, when in reality Phil Brooks is not your friend, you don't know him personally. Now, if you excuse me, I'm going to watch his return for the 25th time. Nah, you're underselling how much his tantrums in AEW soured people's perception of him. Just go see the general consensus in his two huge threads in that section. Before scrumgate happened, you couldn't even envision a thread on him that was 90% negative. He was the guy here. The jokes about CM Punk paradoxes existed for a reason. He's obviously still got a huge fanbase and for the people that don't watch AEW not much has changed and he's been gone since 2014, but if the AEW stuff didn't happen, a lot of people that stopped watching WWE might be rushing back right now. you could make a pretty rock solid case he was actually the most liked person in all of wrestling on here, even when he was gone for years. I know many of us thought he was the absolute best and even we got tired of his bullshit. I know at least 10+ people here, myself included, who thought he was the shit.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 27, 2023 15:45:41 GMT -5
"No Ace Steel wont be biting you" "Not related but the new rabies vaccine shot is mandatory"
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Post by Mecca on Nov 27, 2023 15:46:07 GMT -5
I'm sure this will end well, he couldn't even make it work with a guy who was the biggest mark in the world for him being his boss and giving him his old damn tv show to be on.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 27, 2023 15:57:12 GMT -5
I'm sure this will end well, he couldn't even make it work with a guy who was the biggest mark in the world for him being his boss and giving him his old damn tv show to be on. I think that was the problem. He was given a lot of power in the company and made to feel like the savior or leader of the promotion, which he felt was below him. It’s a completely different power dynamic in WWE, where he’s just a cog in the wheel with no power. Doesn’t mean there won’t be issues, but it seems less likely to be as severe.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 27, 2023 15:57:29 GMT -5
I'm sure this will end well, he couldn't even make it work with a guy who was the biggest mark in the world for him being his boss and giving him his old damn tv show to be on. I have my doubts too, but the problem with his old boss was that he was the biggest mark in the world for him and made no effort to reign him in. He pretty much *has* to play nice now or he's persona non grata in mainstream American wrestling.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 27, 2023 15:58:29 GMT -5
I'm sure this will end well, he couldn't even make it work with a guy who was the biggest mark in the world for him being his boss and giving him his old damn tv show to be on. I think that was the problem. He was given a lot of power in the company and made to feel like the savior or leader of the promotion, which he felt was below him. It’s a completely different power dynamic in WWE, where he’s just a cog in the wheel with no power. Doesn’t mean there won’t be issues, but it seems less likely to be as severe. So basically he's a piece of shit that can't behave himself unless he has to? Dude also took a huge steaming shit on everything he's said for about a decade.
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 27, 2023 16:00:16 GMT -5
He was never wanted in WWE. That's why he always had something to do, he always got a lot of television time, and held multiple titles. You're not getting what Punk got if the top brass never wanted you. Hunter may not have liked him, but Vince wanted Punk. Oh, I'm aware. I'm more just getting at the mythology behind the "Rebel" image. I wonder how he can keep that rebel image. He'll take some cheap pops against aew, say he's glad to be working with grown ups again but then what? Aren't most of those actively watching WWE happy? He had the same problem in aew and his response was to cosplay as champion. Even his t-shirt is blank because he won't be allowed the political messages. He's a rebel without a cause.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Nov 27, 2023 16:01:52 GMT -5
Just go see the general consensus in his two huge threads in that section. please nobody do this to yourselves
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 27, 2023 16:10:47 GMT -5
I think that was the problem. He was given a lot of power in the company and made to feel like the savior or leader of the promotion, which he felt was below him. It’s a completely different power dynamic in WWE, where he’s just a cog in the wheel with no power. Doesn’t mean there won’t be issues, but it seems less likely to be as severe. So basically he's a piece of shit that can't behave himself unless he has to? Dude also took a huge steaming shit on everything he's said for about a decade. Yes, I think he’s made that pretty clear.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 16:16:11 GMT -5
Give CM Punk WWE Main Event and ban Seth Rollins from it.
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 27, 2023 16:18:11 GMT -5
Give CM Punk WWE Main Event and ban Seth Rollins from it. Ok this is the best post in the entire thread. Somebody make this shit happen!
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 27, 2023 16:19:09 GMT -5
I'd love to tell 2014 Mid-Carder, "you know this guy you hero-worship who's kept you hanging onto wrestling by a thread? He'll return in 2021 and it'll be amazing and you'll be emotional but within 18 months you'll never want to see him again"
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Post by zrowsdower on Nov 27, 2023 16:22:56 GMT -5
The one thing that would have made his return even better is if Punk came out in a shirt like Lex Lugar's at the first Nitro.
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Post by Legion on Nov 27, 2023 16:31:51 GMT -5
I think he'll be on his best behaviour for at least 6mths.
Just to try and stick it to Tony and the EVPs that he can play ball and make it look like everything that went wrong was on them being unprofessional rather than him.
I dont think he'll be able to keep it up beyond 6mths, if he even makes that, but I can see him thinking along these lines and spite can be a powerful motivation
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 27, 2023 16:46:26 GMT -5
I just realized he was in AEW for two years, but was injured basically a year total of that two years so really he was only in AEW for a year.
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Post by nm on Nov 27, 2023 16:46:38 GMT -5
Give CM Punk WWE Main Event and ban Seth Rollins from it. Unironically a good idea if/when he turns heel.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Nov 27, 2023 16:46:51 GMT -5
I guarantee you, even if the AEW controversy didn't happen, there still would be the disdain towards him for going back to WWE. I mean, people were bitching when he was on the WWE Backstage show in 2021, calling him the same buzzwords, "hypocrite, no morals, how can you go back to the company that almost killed you." People seem to think that CM Punk is this manifestation of everything they hate about WWE. PG, John Cena, Sport's Entertainment, everything they hate about it, they put into him because he's supposed to be this rebel that hate's all of that. When, in reality, from the "Pipe bomb" up until he left, he was just a WWE Superstar. He acted as a face and a heel according to what WWE wanted him to do. He had that goofy love triangle storyline with Daniel Bryan and AJ Lee while he was a face, and acted like a smug asshole when he was a heel, running away from the good guys like Ryback and John Cena. He lost his 400 plus day title reign to The Rock, lost to Undertaker at WrestleMania, lost to Brock Lesnar, and was putting over The Shield when he left. CM Punk was a star, on talk shows and celebrity shows. I never say the "he HATES the WWE system," during that time. So where id it come from, the Colt Cobana podcast when it was shortly after he left, and emotions were sky high? When he was in AEW? Because him bashing WWE in AEW wasn't shocking at all, he whole character was "disgruntle WWE star." He has to, just like all the other former WWE stars have to, just like Edge said, "to get a cheap pop." Judging by the discourse and tribalism that's even on this topic alone, it's what the AEW fans wanted to hear. And, if his ego is a massive and people say it is, do you really think he would just fade away after his untimely exit from AEW? I mean, once he was fired from AEW, it was only a matter of when, not if, he'll be back in WWE. Then Survivor Series was in Chicago, then the teases started, and it all clicked. Now, people are actively angry at him, acting like he betrayed them, when in reality Phil Brooks is not your friend, you don't know him personally. Now, if you excuse me, I'm going to watch his return for the 25th time. Nah, you're underselling how much his tantrums in AEW soured people's perception of him. Just go see the general consensus in his two huge threads in that section. Before scrumgate happened, you couldn't even envision a thread on him that was 90% negative. He was the guy here. The jokes about CM Punk paradoxes existed for a reason. He's obviously still got a huge fanbase and for the people that don't watch AEW not much has changed and he's been gone since 2014, but if the AEW stuff didn't happen, a lot of people that stopped watching WWE might be rushing back right now. I was as big a Punk fan as anybody…he is one of the big reasons I stayed at least partially paying attention to wrestling for years when it had otherwise become very dull (the other big reason? Probably more so overall than Punk?? Discovering The Elite during the NJPW days. The irony…) So it legit pained my fandom to pull a Pauley from Goodfellas on him a year and a half ago and turn my back on him. The fact that the most toxic, tribalistic and Louisville flavored Cultist people of the IWC have latched onto him as some sort of hero (because Elite=Bad, anyone that is the opposite of them = GOOD) has made that choice to turn my back on him easier. Will I watch Raw tonight to see what happens? Sure. Mostly out of morbid curiosity to see if the non-disclosure that TK is seemingly working under is also applicable to him. But I will get no wrestling fan joy from doing it. Anyway, here’s an article Deadspin posted today that I thought was interesting; deadspin.com/cm-punks-wwe-survivor-series-war-games-destroy-aew-1851048014P.S. 64-ish pages by 5pm EST two days after the fact?? That’s light work, y’all. C’mon, WWE Current. Step ya game up! 😉 (/joking) #AllHail54 #Muffins
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