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Post by BlahBlah on Nov 28, 2023 13:31:34 GMT -5
Super Duper Understandable but after going through the entire thread, so many of you are jaded from his AEW run. Again, super understandable, he sabotaged things!
That said, it's unfair to give him grief for cutting "the same promo he's been cutting in AEW" because this is a relatively new audience for him. It's been a decade, WWE fans missed the dude. Also, it's not like the majority of WWE fans were watching Collison every Saturday night. The crowed wanted to cheer him, he gave a decent enough promo with some heel undertones. There's no reason to rush him into anything, they can take their time and tell stories. With Collison the entire show revolved around him whereas he's just another (main event) cog on Raw.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 28, 2023 13:31:55 GMT -5
As a professional journalist, I get what you're saying. Your version would make us think "Meh, Tony gave a stereotypical PR response" and, at most, try to get him to explain why he can't comment. But his version would make us immediately think "There's an NDA. We need to figure out its terms and how those work." As someone who also works in PR/comms, I thought that Tony was actively trying to say "there's a lot I want to say but I can't". Which is never what I'd suggest but some clients/execs want to cause a shitstorm It's funny because I wouldn't take Tony to be that type, but who knows.
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Post by Chiral on Nov 28, 2023 13:39:54 GMT -5
Hausman giving me the gift of this verbiage in a news report to describe someone celebrating and leaving the ring
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Post by Stu on Nov 28, 2023 13:47:28 GMT -5
As a professional journalist, I get what you're saying. Your version would make us think "Meh, Tony gave a stereotypical PR response" and, at most, try to get him to explain why he can't comment. But his version would make us immediately think "There's an NDA. We need to figure out its terms and how those work." As someone who also works in PR/comms, I thought that Tony was actively trying to say "there's a lot I want to say but I can't". Which is never what I'd suggest but some clients/execs want to cause a shitstorm Right. His comment made it too easy to read between the lines.
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Post by Kalmia on Nov 28, 2023 13:52:04 GMT -5
Hausman giving me the gift of this verbiage in a news report to describe someone celebrating and leaving the ring Did he pump his hands and chant "CM Punk, CM Punk" though?
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Post by Fake Jesus on Nov 28, 2023 13:52:33 GMT -5
I have to say the epitome of this is Punk using a version of cult of personality that features a markedly different and worse vocal performance. Real ersatz shit
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Post by MiLB Fan on Nov 28, 2023 14:02:48 GMT -5
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Post by markymark on Nov 28, 2023 14:22:23 GMT -5
No way they do Punk vs Roman at Mania 40 or Summerslam 2024 for the title...
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 28, 2023 14:30:40 GMT -5
No way they do Punk vs Roman at Mania 40 or Summerslam 2024 for the title...
Imagine being Cody and leaving AEW at least partially to get away from Punk (allegedly) only for him to show up and boggart your spot at WrestleMania 40 anyway.
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Post by HIM on Nov 28, 2023 14:32:51 GMT -5
I see Cody beating Reigns for the belt at WM and then Reigns going to Raw to face Punk for his title (after Punk beats Seth). Makes sense.
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Post by markymark on Nov 28, 2023 14:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Nov 28, 2023 14:37:02 GMT -5
It must be so easy being a dirtsheet writer. You can get clicks by saying the most obvious things that any random fan already knows.
Big star you just returned is probably going to face the top star in the company at some point. You're kidding. I thought he was going to just have a bunch of midcard matches.
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Post by Chiral on Nov 28, 2023 14:38:01 GMT -5
Nobody in wrestling journalism can write a normal human sentence about this man. (I realize this is SI and not like Goobler News or whatever but still)
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 28, 2023 14:45:50 GMT -5
As a professional journalist, I get what you're saying. Your version would make us think "Meh, Tony gave a stereotypical PR response" and, at most, try to get him to explain why he can't comment. But his version would make us immediately think "There's an NDA. We need to figure out its terms and how those work." As someone who also works in PR/comms, I thought that Tony was actively trying to say "there's a lot I want to say but I can't". Which is never what I'd suggest but some clients/execs want to cause a shitstorm Yeah, it's his way of saying "I can't comment but read into what I'm saying to interpret what I want to say." As emotional as he can be, I have a feeling there's A LOT he wants to say but can't.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Nov 28, 2023 14:51:59 GMT -5
As someone who also works in PR/comms, I thought that Tony was actively trying to say "there's a lot I want to say but I can't". Which is never what I'd suggest but some clients/execs want to cause a shitstorm It's funny because I wouldn't take Tony to be that type, but who knows. Can you blame the f***ing guy? Tony did everything he could to bend over backwards for Punk and Punk still shat on him/AEW. And I like Punk (the performer at least)
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 28, 2023 15:00:14 GMT -5
Wow really? If he legally can't talk about it that would be an accurate response wouldn't it? Even if he can't legally talk about it, there's a better response than "I can't legally talk about this matter." That tone makes THAT the headline and now folks are spinning about it. Something as simple as: "I can't really go into too much detail, I wish him well, but I'm here to talk about our next big AEW PPV, etc. etc." That doesn't break an NDA. Tony is a terrible f***ing spokesperson when he gets into territory that is even remotely awkward. I feel pretty confident that he's prob not taking advice from his PR folks. Not to mention, with many NDAs there's even requirements around disclosing the existence of the NDA. They can bind or restrict you not just in what you say about the other party but even about the entire situation, sometimes companies/parties make "Not admitting to or acknowledging/implying the existence of an NDA" a condition, and "I legally cant talk about it" can be read as implying the existence of the NDA, thus breaching that term. This shit happens.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 28, 2023 15:05:25 GMT -5
The one god damn time in the last 3 years I will be cheering for Roman to win is when he wrestles CM Poopybutt.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 28, 2023 15:09:41 GMT -5
The one god damn time in the last 3 years I will be cheering for Roman to win is when he wrestles CM Poopybutt. The Solo Sikoa Destroyed My Thrussy Club needs a second member.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Nov 28, 2023 15:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by Herman The Tosser on Nov 28, 2023 16:45:31 GMT -5
I have to say the epitome of this is Punk using a version of cult of personality that features a markedly different and worse vocal performance. Real ersatz shit In all seriousness, why IS he using a re-recorded version of the song? Did Tony just totally buy the rights for the original recording to the point WWE can't use it at all or something? Apologies if this has been addressed, I'm not reading 80 pages at this point.
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