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Post by HIM on Nov 26, 2023 23:14:40 GMT -5
Have yall read through this recently? I decided to peep this again randomly tonight. It was a super rough time for us. Here's some pieces.
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Post by Fade on Nov 26, 2023 23:18:54 GMT -5
It was terrible. But as a character arc it’s what absolutely helped make the heel turn that much better.
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Post by fw91 on Nov 26, 2023 23:26:47 GMT -5
It was terrible. But as a character arc it’s what absolutely helped make the heel turn that much better. this
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Post by Stu on Nov 26, 2023 23:28:30 GMT -5
Either my display automatically adjusted, or that Wiki page's brightness is turned up to 11.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Nov 26, 2023 23:29:20 GMT -5
god i f***ing hated that entire time. this is the exact stuff i was talking about earlier with how antagonistic WWE used to be towards the viewers, it was just terrible television for everyone involved
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Post by Renslayer on Nov 27, 2023 0:06:25 GMT -5
I have no recollection of that era, and reading all of that is such a mind trip. It's no wonder roman dipped in 2020 and came back with more control as the Tribal Chief.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Nov 27, 2023 0:12:24 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 32 was the worst.
HHH/Ambrose had a great mini-feud. HHH/Wyatt teased a match and the crowd erupted. HHH/Ziggler even had a great match on TV. At that point almost anyone other option would have been better than HHH/Reigns for Mania.
Even if they did it a year or two earlier it could have been fine. The week after Shield split Reigns and Ambrose cut their promo with Ambrose saying he was going after Rollins and Reigns saying he would target HHH. Sounds like a decent enough plan but then they didn't even do the match at Summerslam like seemed to be the plan and by the time they go back to it 2 years later Roman is dead in the water as a face.
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Post by Germansuplex on Nov 27, 2023 6:25:40 GMT -5
"During the match, Reigns was booked to kick out of four Attitude Adjustments (one of which was off the top rope)"
lol I forgot about that stuff.
Incredible how Roman reinvented himself as this amazing crime boss heel character.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Nov 27, 2023 6:35:52 GMT -5
They'd almost salvaged him in late-2015 and even had Philly cheering for him to win the title, only to dip back immediately into the booking that saw the crowd turn on him in the first place.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Nov 27, 2023 7:29:16 GMT -5
Remember in late 2017 when they had the likes of Braun Strowman and Samoa Joe get pinned after one F5 so that Roman could kick out of multiple ones at WrestleMania 34?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 27, 2023 7:42:49 GMT -5
They'd almost salvaged him in late-2015 and even had Philly cheering for him to win the title, only to dip back immediately into the booking that saw the crowd turn on him in the first place. After he was screwed by Sheamus with Money in The Bank, then the next night Roman just silently demolished the Authority to roaring cheers. I really thought they'd worked it out at that point but it didn't last a week.
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 27, 2023 7:50:05 GMT -5
Remember in late 2017 when they had the likes of Braun Strowman and Samoa Joe get pinned after one F5 so that Roman could kick out of multiple ones at WrestleMania 34?
And then despite all the belief that WM 34 was going to be a 'coronation', he lost to Brock anyway. Vince's last few years sure had some mystifying decisions that benefited no one. Even the 2015 Rumble might have had a slightly better chance at working if they just had Roman actually overcome Big Show/Kane, rather than the two start randomly arguing so Roman can push them both out like a heel.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 27, 2023 8:14:43 GMT -5
A lot of this stuff is very funny to look back on. But at the time, it was f***ing unwatchable at times.
As much fun as it is to dunk on stupid shit on this forum or social media, the show being actively rejected by the live crowd was just. f***ing depressing
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Nov 27, 2023 9:25:40 GMT -5
I'd been watching WWF/E religiously since 1990. Super Roman is what finally ran me off for good. I spent $1,300 on a 12th row floor seat to Wrestlemania 32. The whole show felt like a giant middle finger to everybody watching. That was the beginning of the end of my fandom. From what everyone says it's much better now, but I still can't bring myself to care. All because of Super Roman. In fairness, Super Charlotte was a huge part of it too.
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Post by Rise on Nov 27, 2023 9:49:57 GMT -5
I watched Survivor Series this weekend and that's been my first interaction with WWE since Mania or perhaps backlash. A large part of why I'm not watching is Reigns, I sat through his whole push and never enjoyed it, I even stopped watching his matches as I no longer cared. I've maybe seen 4 or 5 of his matches in 6 years and whilst the majority may be enjoying it, I'm not.
I'm so far removed from it, I didn't know bloodline or Reigns weren't on the Survivor Series card
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Nov 27, 2023 10:23:33 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 32 was the worst. HHH/Ambrose had a great mini-feud. HHH/Wyatt teased a match and the crowd erupted. HHH/Ziggler even had a great match on TV. At that point almost anyone other option would have been better than HHH/Reigns for Mania. Even if they did it a year or two earlier it could have been fine. The week after Shield split Reigns and Ambrose cut their promo with Ambrose saying he was going after Rollins and Reigns saying he would target HHH. Sounds like a decent enough plan but then they didn't even do the match at Summerslam like seemed to be the plan and by the time they go back to it 2 years later Roman is dead in the water as a face. HHH didn't need to win the title to have that Reigns match. People would have not shit all over Reigns getting revenge on HHH if the title wasn't involved because you are just running back the damned story they kinda did with Vince to end the year before. Plus you got a 2nd feud to have more juice cause its for the title.
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Post by HIM on Nov 27, 2023 13:08:55 GMT -5
After thinking about it, that's been the most painful period I've ever had as a fan. Never have I been so invested in wrestling and they just straight up shut all our favorites down like that.
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Post by DichEvans on Nov 27, 2023 13:18:47 GMT -5
It was terrible. But as a character arc it’s what absolutely helped make the heel turn that much better. 100% That entire era felt like it was VKM versus the audience. It took AEW being competitive for WWE to actually start trying again. Triple H coming in as a fresh booker also helped.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Nov 27, 2023 14:51:58 GMT -5
you know what's really funny about all this?
vince finally gets his wish and an environment where the crowd doesn't matter/aren't there and THAT is when he finally turns this motherf***er heel lmao.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Nov 27, 2023 14:58:25 GMT -5
I never understood why Vince was so determined to make it work. It's like he learned nothing from "DIE ROCKY DIE" all those years ago.
I guess zero competition just meant he would do what he wanted even if he was the only person on the planet who liked it.
But, in a sense he was right that Roman is a megastar, just the presentation was all wrong.
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