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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Dec 14, 2023 14:07:27 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 14, 2023 14:41:20 GMT -5
Haven't watched it yet, but it sounds shitty.
I was going to say this in the thread about Britt Baker and the whole "no live interview time" story, but man, the more I look back on my life as a wrestling fan the more I realize that in-ring promos tend to be some of my least favorite content in the industry. If I'm not getting matches, then give me a backstage promo/pretape any day. If it must be in the ring, then have an interviewer there, like Mean Gene talking to guys on the stage next to the ramp back in the 80s/early 90s. Keep it structured.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 14, 2023 15:28:28 GMT -5
They could have cut that train wreck short and given Ruby vs. Riho another 5 minutes or something.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 14, 2023 15:37:18 GMT -5
Honestly, face Jericho has always sucked besides WCW and early Y2J. I wonder if he just hates being a face so puts no effort into it.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 14, 2023 16:10:36 GMT -5
Haven't watched it yet, but it sounds shitty. I was going to say this in the thread about Britt Baker and the whole "no live interview time" story, but man, the more I look back on my life as a wrestling fan the more I realize that in-ring promos tend to be some of my least favorite content in the industry. If I'm not getting matches, then give me a backstage promo/pretape any day. If it must be in the ring, then have an interviewer there, like Mean Gene talking to guys on the stage next to the ramp back in the 80s/early 90s. Keep it structured. Same. I don't mind the occasional in ring promo but even the best one will have me clock watching after the five minute mark. Keep then short and sweet and yes, definitely make more use of backstage pretapes and the fantastic announcers AEW has. Between Renee, RJ, and Lexi, AEW might have the best group of backstage announcers ever assembled in wrestling. Mean Gene was better on an individual level but AEW has the best team, IMO.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 14, 2023 16:14:49 GMT -5
Haven't watched it yet, but it sounds shitty. I was going to say this in the thread about Britt Baker and the whole "no live interview time" story, but man, the more I look back on my life as a wrestling fan the more I realize that in-ring promos tend to be some of my least favorite content in the industry. If I'm not getting matches, then give me a backstage promo/pretape any day. If it must be in the ring, then have an interviewer there, like Mean Gene talking to guys on the stage next to the ramp back in the 80s/early 90s. Keep it structured. Same. I don't mind the occasional in ring promo but even the best one will have me clock watching after the five minute mark. Keep then short and sweet and yes, definitely make more use of backstage pretapes and the fantastic announcers AEW has. Between Renee, RJ, and Lexi, AEW might have the best group of backstage announcers ever assembled in wrestling. Mean Gene was better on an individual level but AEW has the best team, IMO. Honestly, it's probably why I preferred WCW to WWF through the late 90s and always hated the Rock's babyface runs; I'd be sitting there while everyone was screaming and chanting and singing along to people's catchphrases and I'd just pull a "but when do they get to the fireworks factory?!" vibe.
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Post by bearned on Dec 14, 2023 16:56:35 GMT -5
Felt like Kenny forgot what he was supposed to be saying and it threw everyone else off. Wasn’t terrible but it was weird.
Also not the first time Starks has looked a little lost in these live promos - he’s a great talker but he gets rattled easy.
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Post by daaave on Dec 14, 2023 17:00:32 GMT -5
Yeah Starks does have his moments. Like with Edge the other week. But then counter to that he had that amazing back and forth with MJF. So he clearly can hang and flex on the mic.
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Post by BigPoppaNasty on Dec 14, 2023 17:04:29 GMT -5
The Jericho cycle is so weird. He gets so over as a heel that people want to cheer him. But he's such a lousy face that people can't wait for him to turn back to a heel. This is also some of the longest he's been an active performer without taking a break to recharge his drive in awhile. So maybe he's getting to that point again. Though yeah, the SAWFT line was good. And it gave us an excuse to use the Enzo gif. It probably says something about Big Bill that the only way to elicit a response during a segment with him is to refer to his much more over character from a different company. Bill is the perfect example of a guy who needs to be heavily produced, just like Jake Hager. You let those guys get their own feet wet, and you get "SAWFT" references and only getting pops when you wear a stupid hat. But my apologies to Big Bill. He shouldn't be the one getting called out for that segment, because Kenny was very much the drizzling shits in this one.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 14, 2023 17:50:53 GMT -5
The interesting part of this was it wasn't far from being decent. The firm stuff was good. Comparing Starkz to Enzo was fine. If they just played on Ricky hiding behind the big goon and said he isn't even the best Starkz in the company instead of the team name crap it could have worked.
Although you'd still get Omega's weird crap (did he say the crowd were chanting Jericoat?) and Ricky flailing.
Just keep Jericho and Ricky away from each other. Their promo segment with Action Andretti was similarly awful.
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Post by bob on Dec 14, 2023 17:56:05 GMT -5
say what you want about it....
but it was still better than Nana
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Dec 14, 2023 21:09:31 GMT -5
it was terrible and i don't understand why jericho is anywhere near these three
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 14, 2023 22:13:08 GMT -5
I really wish they'd call it on this Golden Jets thing. Doesn't feel like Jericho gives a shit and Omega could be doing something much more interesting.
That said, the promo was hilarious.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 14, 2023 22:26:28 GMT -5
It was awkward because they don't have any reason to hate each other. They have plenty of reasons to compete for the tag titles, but there isn't any personal stories for them to draw from in a promo segment. This would have worked better if Starks/Bill called out Omega/Jericho. Starks could have led the promo as a heel and talked about how they were going to beat two fading legends. Then Jericho and Omega could respond to the more personal attack. Bingo, I think. Every single element of this feels empty. The tag titles are enough of a prize for Jericho and Omega to want, but there's no compelling reason for them to want to do it together. Meanwhile, Ricky and Bill are the champions, but they don't really have any reason to feel threatened - Starks had Jericho's number earlier this year and a makeshift main eventer tag team is a poor foil for Bill and Ricky's "we don't know each other, we just work together" shtick.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 14, 2023 22:29:47 GMT -5
Honestly, was so bad I kinda loved it. Just a trainwreck. Send that shit for an Emmy.
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Post by Fade on Dec 14, 2023 23:25:00 GMT -5
Starks is touch and go. It feels like he’s out there trying to improvise a lot of it. Sometimes he rises to the occasion, but with Copeland and here, he comes off flustered. He needs structure.
Kenny, I don’t even know. He does seem aloof (even for Kenny). Push Kenny in a way similarly to Mox. Jericho needs something. Bill is perfect.
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Post by markymark on Dec 15, 2023 16:57:45 GMT -5
Turns out Kenny wasnt healthy.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Dec 15, 2023 18:35:35 GMT -5
I watched it tonight and was wondering what the f*** was going on
Fair enough on Kenny. Him just being able to talk sounds like a miracle but I dunno what everyone else’s excuse was
Also I wanna know why we’ve ditched Jericho and Omega putting their differences aside to fight the Don Callis family to forgetting about Callis and just having Jericho & Omega as a team now
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