Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 11, 2024 10:56:21 GMT -5
See, two thing can be true. The UK can both be a good group of wrestlers (in that they are good in the ring) and they can be the most boring group of people since the loaf of bread I got while grocery shopping this weekend. They're fine in the ring, it's just there's nothing to care about outside it that's the problem. And their in-ring work isn't nearly good enough to make up for the negative charisma they share.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 11, 2024 12:39:30 GMT -5
See, two thing can be true. The UK can both be a good group of wrestlers (in that they are good in the ring) and they can be the most boring group of people since the loaf of bread I got while grocery shopping this weekend. They're fine in the ring, it's just there's nothing to care about outside it that's the problem. And their in-ring work isn't nearly good enough to make up for the negative charisma they share. Yeah Andrade was boring but good in the ring. I'd often forget the match immediately after but there was some entertainment value there and I could understand why others liked him. Plus if he ever puts it all together he'd be something special. Same applies to Roddy to a lesser degree. Howeve The Kingdom arent even anywhere near Roddy's level. At least he has something to latch onto with the backbreakers, there's just nothing there with the other two.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 11, 2024 13:03:22 GMT -5
See, two thing can be true. The UK can both be a good group of wrestlers (in that they are good in the ring) and they can be the most boring group of people since the loaf of bread I got while grocery shopping this weekend. They're fine in the ring, it's just there's nothing to care about outside it that's the problem. And their in-ring work isn't nearly good enough to make up for the negative charisma they share. Yeah Andrade was boring but good in the ring. I'd often forget the match immediately after but there was some entertainment value there and I could understand why others liked him. Plus if he ever puts it all together he'd be something special. Same applies to Roddy to a lesser degree. Howeve The Kingdom arent even anywhere near Roddy's level. At least he has something to latch onto with the backbreakers, there's just nothing there with the other two. Roddy is an amazing wrestler hwo you can put in a singles match and he'll tear the house down. There's room for that kind of guy in AEW, for sure. Mike "the Xbox Series X's console exclusives selection" Bennett and Matt Taven are nowhere near that level of gifted work horse, andd that has always been an issue. The Kingdom are not going to wrestle so damn good that it makes up for how bland they are, and also you don't want to suck up guys that bland into what are supposed to be your top main event storylines. It was fine when they were the goons causing strife between Cole and max, and it completely falls on its face now when everyone is grr serious again. Great matches can bridge some gaps in AEW but they aren't having great matches.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 11, 2024 13:05:59 GMT -5
See, two thing can be true. The UK can both be a good group of wrestlers (in that they are good in the ring) and they can be the most boring group of people since the loaf of bread I got while grocery shopping this weekend. They're fine in the ring, it's just there's nothing to care about outside it that's the problem. And their in-ring work isn't nearly good enough to make up for the negative charisma they share. See, I would argue that it is impossible to be a good wrestler and be extremely boring. If you're not entertaining you're bad at the job.
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Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 11, 2024 13:21:05 GMT -5
See, two thing can be true. The UK can both be a good group of wrestlers (in that they are good in the ring) and they can be the most boring group of people since the loaf of bread I got while grocery shopping this weekend. They're fine in the ring, it's just there's nothing to care about outside it that's the problem. And their in-ring work isn't nearly good enough to make up for the negative charisma they share. See, I would argue that it is impossible to be a good wrestler and be extremely boring. If you're not entertaining you're bad at the job. Nah, you can be technically sound and still not be able to draw people in. Curtis Axel was a good example of that really. He was a fine wrestler, hell they trusted him to get The Rock back into shape the first time through, but dude was boring beyond hell.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 11, 2024 14:37:23 GMT -5
See, I would argue that it is impossible to be a good wrestler and be extremely boring. If you're not entertaining you're bad at the job. Nah, you can be technically sound and still not be able to draw people in. Curtis Axel was a good example of that really. He was a fine wrestler, hell they trusted him to get The Rock back into shape the first time through, but dude was boring beyond hell. But they're purely in the entertainment business. It's not like boxing or UFC where you can be boring but brilliant at winning fights. They're entertainers. Wrestling is an irrelevant skill unless you can interest people in watching you do it. Some of the best ever have not been technically very good at all.
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Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 11, 2024 15:23:41 GMT -5
Nah, you can be technically sound and still not be able to draw people in. Curtis Axel was a good example of that really. He was a fine wrestler, hell they trusted him to get The Rock back into shape the first time through, but dude was boring beyond hell. But they're purely in the entertainment business. It's not like boxing or UFC where you can be boring but brilliant at winning fights. They're entertainers. Wrestling is an irrelevant skill unless you can interest people in watching you do it. Some of the best ever have not been technically very good at all. I would argue the purely part. WWE is purely entertainment but wrestling is a mix of sports and entertainment as a whole. Zach Sabre Jr is another example of someone who had to find his niche despite being a damn good wrestler. Early in his career he was crisp in the ring and had amazing technical prowess, but it always seemed to like he was just going from move to move with no story. I'd argue charisma and wrestling ability are two separate things for a wrestler that makes one whole. You can absolutely have the in-ring stuff down pat and have good matches but at the same time have nothing to go with it to make me want to see them in a high profile feud or faction. Taven, Bennett, Matt Sydel, early Ziggler are prime examples. Someone like Warrior is the other side of the coin where he was a shit wrestler that I had zero desire to see in the ring but damn his charisma was like a gravity pull.
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Post by Fade on Feb 11, 2024 16:11:02 GMT -5
See, two thing can be true. The UK can both be a good group of wrestlers (in that they are good in the ring) and they can be the most boring group of people since the loaf of bread I got while grocery shopping this weekend. They're fine in the ring, it's just there's nothing to care about outside it that's the problem. And their in-ring work isn't nearly good enough to make up for the negative charisma they share. See, I would argue that it is impossible to be a good wrestler and be extremely boring. If you're not entertaining you're bad at the job. I kind of agree, kind of don’t. Definitely in the “they need to be entertaining” being more important than “being a good rassler” camp. But there will always be a spot for technically sound dudes. Thing is this whole thing could be entertaining but it’s not. There’s hilarity in the leader (“the devil”) being wheelchair bound. Strong should be sucking at Cole’s teat. That was his whole character motivation throughout this whole thing. Cole could be rebuking him. Seeing him as a means to an end with the MJF thing as opposed to legitimately liking him as a friend. This builds a lil sympy for Strong, and would make Cole look even more like a douche. I have no idea why they went the way they did with Wahrdawgo. Recycling the same trope as before. He should be Cole’s meal ticket. Should have been destroying dudes or having semi competitive ones with credible guys where he goes over. There should have been no telegraphing of the same “Cole’s using Wahrdawg until he turns” shtick. Play it for real. Especially with Cole injured. As for the other two dudes, iono, I’d say lean into the perception they have: f***ing lucky to be there, and enjoying the ride. As others have said, whole thing was just a weird miscast flop. Being sick has me trying to salvage this
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 11, 2024 16:56:27 GMT -5
Can we change the thread title to "Uninspiring Kingdom Thread"?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 11, 2024 17:59:13 GMT -5
Yeah as the weeks go on I think the case still remains that unless you can have Cole on every show somehow or have him more as the focus the United Kingdom is just going to fall to the wayside. Again, Roddy Strong may be a great wrestler but he's not a guy you can have as the center piece of a top stable... and he is out of necessity right now
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Post by 4real on Feb 12, 2024 4:18:05 GMT -5
Can we change the thread title to "Uninspiring Kingdom Thread"? Can they just change their initials so our country isn’t associated with this mediocre group?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 12, 2024 4:24:34 GMT -5
Can we change the thread title to "Uninspiring Kingdom Thread"? Can they just change their initials so our country isn’t associated with this mediocre group? Not to get into politics, but there's a lot about this place mediocrity isn't an unfair comparison.
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Post by Hypnosis on Feb 12, 2024 7:59:25 GMT -5
Can we change the thread title to "Uninspiring Kingdom Thread"? Can they just change their initials so our country isn’t associated with this mediocre group? "Fish and chips, BAY BAY!"
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Feb 12, 2024 8:24:26 GMT -5
Can they just change their initials so our country isn’t associated with this mediocre group? Not to get into politics, but there's a lot about this place mediocrity isn't an unfair comparison. Dammit first comment after the initial post and you have the same idea lol
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 12, 2024 13:53:28 GMT -5
Doesn’t help that Bullet Club Gold Bang Scissor Gang were set up to maybe feud with them, and now just aren’t?
And as someone who watched NXT, I saw A LOT of “Adam Cole leads a heel faction that has the word Undisputed in it and also includes Roddy Strong.” And I’m kind of sick of it at this point.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Feb 12, 2024 18:20:29 GMT -5
I think the Undisputed Kingdom would make good goons for Matthew and Nicholas. It'd be a way to tie the devil stuff, the taking over stuff, it could work to retcon Hangman as a part of the group by suggesting he *wasn't* actually taken out backstage by the UK. And it would help lock into focus the whole reason the Bang Bang Scissor Gang got together in the first place.
The obvious names for the stable would be The Undisputed Elite or The Elite Kingdom.
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Post by daaave on Feb 15, 2024 13:26:58 GMT -5
Taven won me over last night.
I'm now offcially enjoying the Undisputed Kingdom
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 15, 2024 14:17:42 GMT -5
That's the kind of stuff they need to have Undisputed Kingdom do, even if they lose, they can raise their stock immensely
I stand by saying these dudes rule in ring, but Taven turned that main event into something special, dude went insane in those last few minutes doing more than he ever had to and that crowd responded in kind
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Post by 4real on Feb 15, 2024 14:23:54 GMT -5
Shout out to Cole’s amazing performance on commentary. Schiavone calling Cole an awful human being whilst sitting right next to him was also brave.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 15, 2024 14:38:38 GMT -5
As much fun as it is to dunk on Taven, he handled himself well last night, but let me also say the main event showed a weakness with the UK right now.
The idea of this match is to build up Roddy vs OC. OC is perpetually over, but what has the feud done to get people interested in seeing Roddy dethrone Orange?
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