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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jan 10, 2024 5:40:35 GMT -5
Mikey Whipwreck was pretty over as well. Both of those told stories and integrated their losing records into it. Jinder won a 6 way and they said “Jobber? Pfft, Jinder was always worthy of a world title shot.” They basically lied to their audience instead of telling a better story. Losers winning the big one can be great if done correctly. Was no real build to Jinder on this one. I used to love Mikey’s promos Cactus Jack: public enemy is real mad Mikey, you know what that means? Mikey: It means I’m going to die Cactus: Mikey likes it
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 10, 2024 5:42:50 GMT -5
Both of those told stories and integrated their losing records into it. Jinder won a 6 way and they said “Jobber? Pfft, Jinder was always worthy of a world title shot.” They basically lied to their audience instead of telling a better story. I think they should of had Jinder with a US or IC title run beforehand or atleast the Andre, where he was runner up He wasn’t even on TV much after that Andre to tell some kind of story about how he was runner up in a battle royale which would have been something to progress from. I said this in the WWE version of this thread but if the Jinder experiment was Vince thinking he could make a star out of anyone and nobody stopped him, I’d believe it completely. Only thing that makes sense.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jan 10, 2024 6:24:15 GMT -5
Nobody things it’s bad or even unprofessional Per say, it’s just incredibly goofy If I had the power to make one rule on this here forum it would be stop constantly bringing up other places and their dumb opinions. I swear this happens all the time. People call something dumb/funny. Others say it's ridiculous how people are taking this so seriously. When it's asked who are the people saying this is a huge story rather than just a dumb tweet the answer is invariably oh it doesn't happen much here but somewhere else online it's happening. And I've never understood how you can't just go confront those people on whatever platform they're on rather than constantly bringing their crap here. Or even better just ignore them. I don't consider myself a particularly social media savvy person so if I'm able to curate my stuff so that I don't see any of the dumbest takes it really can't be that difficult. The amount of people though who go on and on about what they've seen on Twitter or Reddit though and it's just like at a point you're choosing to read that stuff. It's easy to avoid if you really want to. Bingo. Surely if anyone on here wanted to read one side of a Reddit/X argument, they'd go to those places? This thread is pages and pages of posts arguing with people who aren't here.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jan 10, 2024 6:33:25 GMT -5
I am not going to go through this whole thread, but I assume it was mentioned that TK didn't trash Jinder at all. He was talking about booking philosophy and how wins and loss should matter. It is incredible how bad reading comprehension can be on social media. "You really put AEW in our place getting Jinder Mahal in a big match on your TV show. Do it more often." I dunno... I'm pretty sure that's shitting on Jinder. He certainly wouldn't be talking that way about a wrestler he respects.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 10, 2024 6:36:26 GMT -5
I am not going to go through this whole thread, but I assume it was mentioned that TK didn't trash Jinder at all. He was talking about booking philosophy and how wins and loss should matter. It is incredible how bad reading comprehension can be on social media. "You really put AEW in our place getting Jinder Mahal in a big match on your TV show. Do it more often." I dunno... I'm pretty sure that's shitting on Jinder. He certainly wouldn't be talking that way about a wrestler he respects. I don't think he was dissing Jinder personally, he was dissing the booking Jinder Mahal the wrestler has always been presented terribly, and that was his initial point with his original post. Basically saying "Yeah you sure showed us putting a wrestler on your show who never wins in a world title match", it could have been anyone with that booking, it happened to be Jinder Mahal I haven't heard a bad word spoken about Jinder personally so I doubt there's any actual animosity, Jinder seems genuinely cool with just about everyone in the back that I've ever seen. He essentially was just the wrestler in the position to Khan's point that they could have given any effort at all to present Jinder as a threat even before he got punked by The Rock, in reality he was basically invisible all year outside of managing Indus Sher until two weeks ago, and that sucks for him too, it's why this stuff doesn't land for people.
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Post by deezy on Jan 10, 2024 6:52:01 GMT -5
Most people shit on the Billionaire Ted skits too, even Bruce Prichard has I think - surely I'm remembering that last bit wrong?! WCW gets a load of grief now for their OTT coverage of the WWF goings on - not that I think a Toby Khan tweet about Jinder is going to lead to a that'll put butts in seats style ratings boom 😂 These aren't defences of Tony when they are brought up, they just reinforce the point you should spend more (all?) of your time on ensuring your own product is as good as it possibly can be I don't see the point in bringing up dumb stuff Vince and Bischoff did 25 years ago just because some of us are laughing at TK lol It happens everytime TK does something stupid. Seems Some people do that to deflect from what Khan has done or defend him weather it's something major or not, Imo.
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Post by deezy on Jan 10, 2024 6:52:32 GMT -5
Nobody things it’s bad or even unprofessional Per say, it’s just incredibly goofy If I had the power to make one rule on this here forum it would be stop constantly bringing up other places and their dumb opinions. I swear this happens all the time. People call something dumb/funny. Others say it's ridiculous how people are taking this so seriously. When it's asked who are the people saying this is a huge story rather than just a dumb tweet the answer is invariably oh it doesn't happen much here but somewhere else online it's happening. And I've never understood how you can't just go confront those people on whatever platform they're on rather than constantly bringing their crap here. Or even better just ignore them. I don't consider myself a particularly social media savvy person so if I'm able to curate my stuff so that I don't see any of the dumbest takes it really can't be that difficult. The amount of people though who go on and on about what they've seen on Twitter or Reddit though and it's just like at a point you're choosing to read that stuff. It's easy to avoid if you really want to. Amen 💯
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 10, 2024 6:55:14 GMT -5
I don't see the point in bringing up dumb stuff Vince and Bischoff did 25 years ago just because some of us are laughing at TK lol It happens everytime TK does something stupid. Seems Some people do that to deflect from what Khan has done or defend him weather it's something major or not, Imo. It's really not to defend TK that I'm seeing, I don't really see many people defending TK's actions here especially and calling the tweets dumb or unnecessary It's been said already by others too but it's not to defend him to the death, it's to point out when people go overboard on reacting to what Tony tweets online and its ramifications when there really never are any, and that almost every wrestling promoter has done the same if not worse, and when it comes to Tony's antics. they're still way low on the wrestling promoter totem pole. It's more of a perspective thing then deflecting for Khan imo. Also Bischoff got involved in this, I would imagine that's a big reason why at least this time, that Bischoff's stuff got brought up when he tried to high road Khan in tweets.
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Post by deezy on Jan 10, 2024 6:58:12 GMT -5
It happens everytime TK does something stupid. Seems Some people do that to deflect from what Khan has done or defend him weather it's something major or not, Imo. It's really not to defend TK that I'm seeing, I don't really see many people defending TK's actions here especially and calling the tweets dumb or unnecessary It's been said already by others too but it's not to defend him to the death, it's to point out when people go overboard on reacting to what Tony tweets online and its ramifications when there really never are any, and that almost every wrestling promoter has done the same if not worse, and when it comes to Tony's antics. they're still way low on the wrestling promoter totem pole. It's more of a perspective thing then deflecting for Khan imo. Also Bischoff got involved in this, I would imagine that's a big reason why at least this time, that Bischoff's stuff got brought up when he tried to high road Khan in tweets. That's true about Bischoff in this case. He brought it on himself to get clowned this time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 10, 2024 7:00:47 GMT -5
If I had the power to make one rule on this here forum it would be stop constantly bringing up other places and their dumb opinions. I swear this happens all the time. People call something dumb/funny. Others say it's ridiculous how people are taking this so seriously. When it's asked who are the people saying this is a huge story rather than just a dumb tweet the answer is invariably oh it doesn't happen much here but somewhere else online it's happening. And I've never understood how you can't just go confront those people on whatever platform they're on rather than constantly bringing their crap here. Or even better just ignore them. I don't consider myself a particularly social media savvy person so if I'm able to curate my stuff so that I don't see any of the dumbest takes it really can't be that difficult. The amount of people though who go on and on about what they've seen on Twitter or Reddit though and it's just like at a point you're choosing to read that stuff. It's easy to avoid if you really want to. Bingo. Surely if anyone on here wanted to read one side of a Reddit/X argument, they'd go to those places? This thread is pages and pages of posts arguing with people who aren't here. They're a part of the IWC whether we like it or not, so we react to the online reception here and everywhere and comment on it. I don't see anyone here attacking other users for that, but discussing what is being said elsewhere and how those communities are taking it is imo worth discussion too The reason people don't go to those places personally and comment how feedback might be over there is because they're cesspool's. You can't discuss shit over there, you get dogpiled, ripped apart by tribalistic stans, it's horrible, and it's impossible to be in any sort of topic unless you make it your entire accounts personality to comment for either side and get ratio'd by the one you don't like's fans. For the record I didn't really read the Twitter comments on Khan's stuff until way later and then I saw the Jericho posts all at the top, so I commented that I thought that was disgusting, and I do think that, and I thought it was worth bringing up because of that. I can't speak for how other users might discuss other places, but sometimes there are things of note to bring to the discussion imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 7:05:28 GMT -5
When will this end...
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Post by dbsot on Jan 10, 2024 7:28:11 GMT -5
I am not going to go through this whole thread, but I assume it was mentioned that TK didn't trash Jinder at all. He was talking about booking philosophy and how wins and loss should matter. It is incredible how bad reading comprehension can be on social media. "You really put AEW in our place getting Jinder Mahal in a big match on your TV show. Do it more often." I dunno... I'm pretty sure that's shitting on Jinder. He certainly wouldn't be talking that way about a wrestler he respects. If that was a stand alone tweet, I would agree. That tweet is in response to his original tweet about wins and losses. He is taking a shot at Jinder not having a win for over a year, yet he is going to be in a title match on Raw. TK is right in that opinion. I also want to mention that his point being correct doesn't mean he needs to put it in a triad on Twitter. They are separate discussions.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 10, 2024 7:33:37 GMT -5
I don't see the point in bringing up dumb stuff Vince and Bischoff did 25 years ago just because some of us are laughing at TK lol It happens everytime TK does something stupid. Seems Some people do that to deflect from what Khan has done or defend him weather it's something major or not, Imo. I was gonna write a long post in response to this but changed my mind as I don't want the grief - which kind of says it all. My view in brief is you can think Vince is a worse person than Tony and still think Tony's a sensitive idiot who needs to wind his neck in. You can think Bischoff's track record is janky, but also that if that's all we're going off, it's weird to decide we fans with zero track record count more, or that Tony who for all the success of All In Wembley and with the most favourable start ANY wrestling company has ever had, has not really taken AEW forward domestically, so it's still petty and childish for him to engage. But for me just the tribalistic shit puts me off. Yeah I know Vince is a scumbag. I shouldn't need to say that 100 times to also say- Tony's behaviour puts me off of watching AEW. I used to really, really like AEW at the start. Steadily that's declined due mostly to stuff with the product but also because people there- like Punk when he was there, like several of the roster, and certainly people like Tony, are abrasive as hell. Tony and others cultivate this "any criticism is just haters and trolls, with us or against us" mentality. I can't be f***ed with that. I don't like a lot of WWE anymore. I only really watch PLEs as a social event. I don't like seeing USA put out the cagematch stuff even if I find it somewhat funny as a response to Tony's insular approach to feedback. I'm so so done with that tribalistic stuff. And I'm sure a lot of people feel like this about WWE fans but in MY experience, including here, I'm more comfortable criticising WWE than AEW because I don't expect half a dozen people breathing down my neck for it. Tony cultivates that mentality with shit like this. And he's not doing it to generate interest via some clever outrage marketing, he's doing it because he's ALWAYS done this since before his dad had to take the reins away at Fulham. The people who respond favourably to it are people who already like and will watch AEW. The people who get put off by it? Not all of them are trolls and haters. I found this funny originally but the way it's dragged on has diminished that and reminded me of why I increasingly think wrestling isn't for me anymore and mostly watch old stuff.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 10, 2024 7:59:38 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who enjoys AEW most of the time, just because Bischoff is a shit booker and a blowhard doesn’t make TK’s desperately shook ranting any less entertaining. The dude’s outdone Eric and made wrestling history and he still comes off Herb Abrams-esque in many of his posts.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 10, 2024 8:44:44 GMT -5
Tony is commonly embarrassing on Twitter. Even when he says stuff I agree with.
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Post by khali on Jan 10, 2024 8:46:59 GMT -5
You can say you doubt he's torn up about it, but the way the dude has acted since Tony Khan didn't give him a job in AEW? I'd say he's torn to f***ing shreds with how much he badmouths the company in crazy hyperbolic ways lmfao Dude comes off very much like he's wearing a smiling mask while raging behind it, like constantly. Think he’s just drumming up engagement to promote his two podcasts. Controversy creates cash and all of that. I’d doubt he’s actually torn up about any of this at all. Probably just bored at home on a Tuesday night like the rest of us. Then why can’t we assume the same of Tony Khan when he posts stuff like this? Again, I maintain that he’s probably made the same calculation to drum up engagement based on the fact that he always throws a plug for his shows into the wacky tweets. Maybe we’re taking these far more seriously than he is.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 10, 2024 8:53:32 GMT -5
I feel like this was Tony doing his own kind of "marketing". Jinder saw it and probably thought he could jump in on it as he is "in the business" (along with the others) and here we are. I think on the surface it looks childish, but I think there was a purpose.
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Post by markymark on Jan 10, 2024 8:55:42 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who enjoys AEW most of the time, just because Bischoff is a shit booker and a blowhard doesn’t make TK’s desperately shook ranting any less entertaining. The dude’s outdone Eric and made wrestling history and he still comes off Herb Abrams-esque in many of his posts. At this point its a lose-lose situation from TK. If he keeps to himself when other companies take their shots at him the crowd loves it. When TK decides to fire back the crowd tells him to focus on his own ventures. When said crowd try to give TK “advice” on what he needs to focus on, it’s stuff already being addressed in shows that people clearly aren’t watching.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 10, 2024 9:08:55 GMT -5
Think he’s just drumming up engagement to promote his two podcasts. Controversy creates cash and all of that. I’d doubt he’s actually torn up about any of this at all. Probably just bored at home on a Tuesday night like the rest of us. Then why can’t we assume the same of Tony Khan when he posts stuff like this? Again, I maintain that he’s probably made the same calculation to drum up engagement based on the fact that he always throws a plug for his shows into the wacky tweets. Maybe we’re taking these far more seriously than he is. Tony is currently in a position of power for a major wrestling promotion is the difference, imo. It’s putting down Jinder. If Dreww McIntyre was being booked to lose a bunch on his way out and then got a title match, or someone else that Khan wanted to sign was booked similarly, I’d imagine he wouldn’t make a post like that. Bischoff is a former executive that just has a couple of podcasts. I do think you’re right about drumming up engagement by Tony though. That’s why he always adds a “watch dynamite” or “watch rampage” to the end of these semi-controversial tweets. He may have even done that on one of the Big Swole tweets.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 10, 2024 9:09:24 GMT -5
I feel like this was Tony doing his own kind of "marketing". Jinder saw it and probably thought he could jump in on it as he is "in the business" (along with the others) and here we are. I think on the surface it looks childish, but I think there was a purpose. Yeah, there's a reason all the tweets have "be sure to watch Dynamite on TBS!" or whatever at the end; it's now Wednesday, this has generated some kind of weird buzz, and some people might end up tuning in now. I'm sure he was annoyed at what he saw as the "double standard" he brought up, but the end goal is promotion. Doesn't mean I find it interesting or necessary, but is what it is.
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