markymark
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Post by markymark on Jan 10, 2024 18:44:16 GMT -5
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 10, 2024 18:47:31 GMT -5
It's very hard these days to find somehwere on the internet where you can just discuss wrestling 'Why can't we just discuss wrestling?'... it's quite clear what this thread is about and has been about since the OP. Same with ratings discussion happening in ratings threads. I gotta get around to starting those "hard kayfabe" threads.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 10, 2024 18:47:38 GMT -5
I did not have "Dave Meltzer referencing a WrestleCrap book" on my 2024 Wrestling Twitter bingo card.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 10, 2024 19:00:15 GMT -5
honestly if Dave hadn't blocked me for constantly asking him to enter BOLA i'd be loving this
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 10, 2024 19:39:46 GMT -5
honestly if Dave hadn't blocked me for constantly asking him to enter BOLA i'd be loving this He blocked me because I made a joke about him knowing enough about wrestling that he could host a show called “Meltzer Ruins Everything.” It was a play off the show Adam Ruins Everything, which is a great show that explains interesting topics in detailed fashion. He thought I just said he ruined everything. Oh well.
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Fade
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Post by Fade on Jan 10, 2024 19:40:46 GMT -5
Going back and forth between the threads just to keep up with this conversation and figure out why we're making fun of the other board or why we love Jinder now or whatever is weird. Why are we discussing another thread instead of just writing in that thread? I don't even know why there's two separate threads about a dumb tweet spanning 10+ pages each. It’s like 40% clowning on him, 60% frustrated with the negative reaction Tony’s getting for it.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 10, 2024 22:39:03 GMT -5
I really wish the wider fanbase outside of here weren't so beholden to the two extreme endpoints of the fandom. It shouldn't be so hard for "WWE is doing better than it has in years, but there's still a lot to work on and still some entrenched institutional issues" and "AEW's had some growing pains and TK can be a putz on Twitter sometimes, but they're still doing really well for a five-year old startup fed" to co-exist as statements on the state of mainstream wrestling.
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Post by HIM on Jan 10, 2024 23:08:58 GMT -5
How did Meltz get thrown in here? Damn lol. It's times like this where I wish Celebrity Deathmatch came back or maybe a wrestling version of it lol.
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Wieners=$$$
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 10, 2024 23:11:09 GMT -5
I'll say it again in regards to Bischoff.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 10, 2024 23:11:40 GMT -5
How did Meltz get thrown in here? Damn lol. It's times like this where I wish Celebrity Deathmatch came back or maybe a wrestling version of it lol. Eric bitched at him during arguing with Tony and Meltz taped his fists lmfao
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jan 10, 2024 23:24:11 GMT -5
I'll say it again in regards to Bischoff. Eric Bischoff has indeed exceeded his bandwidth.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 10, 2024 23:36:36 GMT -5
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 10, 2024 23:50:50 GMT -5
I really wish the wider fanbase outside of here weren't so beholden to the two extreme endpoints of the fandom. It shouldn't be so hard for "WWE is doing better than it has in years, but there's still a lot to work on and still some entrenched institutional issues" and "AEW's had some growing pains and TK can be a putz on Twitter sometimes, but they're still doing really well for a five-year old startup fed" to co-exist as statements on the state of mainstream wrestling. It would help if people understood the difference between “an alternative” and legitimate competition. In the 70’s, the WHA arrived to pro hockey and started spending stupid money to sign big name NHL talent. This included aging veterans, established stars, and guys too young to even be in the NHL, a guy named Gretzky being the most notable. Players had no real intention to move but the money made it so they’d be stupid not to. The Winnipeg Jets said they were going after Bobby Hull, the Golden Jet; if you were unaware where Jericho swiped the name from. Hull said, sarcastically, he’d sign for a million bucks, a ludicrous amount in the 70’s for hockey. Winnipeg said “Here’s your million”. Hull later said, "I should have asked for ten million" The point is, a guy with tons of money who likes spending it isn’t the same thing as legitimate competition to an established brand. AEW is #2, but it’s a distant, distant 2, even if the actual product is at least comparable. - - - Actually now, the more I think of it, the more parallels there are. "I'll come out of retirement to play with my sons" Gordie Howe, that's Billy Gunn and kinda Tazz. "Pay me more/I deserve a chance" Bryan, Edge, Mox...the NHL guys who jumped Hull, Sanderson, Cheevers. International talent suddenly appearing, the WHA started that shit in hockey. WHA decided they could sign a pro contract whenever, Gretzky signed at 17 with WHA, that's tons of young guys and gals in AEW WWE wouldn't touch. The moral of the story is, WHA failed because they had no business plan, the product was fine, if not just a notch below the NHL, but teams came and went like the seasons and eventually the league got absorbed by the NHL.
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 11, 2024 1:21:02 GMT -5
I really wish the wider fanbase outside of here weren't so beholden to the two extreme endpoints of the fandom. It shouldn't be so hard for "WWE is doing better than it has in years, but there's still a lot to work on and still some entrenched institutional issues" and "AEW's had some growing pains and TK can be a putz on Twitter sometimes, but they're still doing really well for a five-year old startup fed" to co-exist as statements on the state of mainstream wrestling. It would help if people understood the difference between “an alternative” and legitimate competition. In the 70’s, the WHA arrived to pro hockey and started spending stupid money to sign big name NHL talent. This included aging veterans, established stars, and guys too young to even be in the NHL, a guy named Gretzky being the most notable. Players had no real intention to move but the money made it so they’d be stupid not to. The Winnipeg Jets said they were going after Bobby Hull, the Golden Jet; if you were unaware where Jericho swiped the name from. Hull said, sarcastically, he’d sign for a million bucks, a ludicrous amount in the 70’s for hockey. Winnipeg said “Here’s your million”. Hull later said, "I should have asked for ten million" The point is, a guy with tons of money who likes spending it isn’t the same thing as legitimate competition to an established brand. AEW is #2, but it’s a distant, distant 2, even if the actual product is at least comparable. Why do we have to keep beating the drum that AEW is "A distant DISTANT number two and we gotta remember that"? The company essentially has helped so many careers and so many wrestlers who would have never gotten the WWE level exposure they are getting thanks to this product. And Tony has been very successful, more successful then any thought metric, in launching the company and getting the ratings, gates, and attendances they have gotten, it's been way more then "A guy who likes to spend money", the company has been successful. I don't really care that it's a "Distant number 2" at this point, it being an alternative isn't even a bad thing AEW isn't the WHA, they aren't giving people stupid money and only signing up aging veterans and they've proven that time and again as well, and they especially aren't spending stupid money to GET aging veterans. So I don't get this comparison at all personally.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 11, 2024 1:25:00 GMT -5
Comparing pro wrestling to real sports is stupid, it's entertainment, compare it to entertainment companies.
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Gunhaver
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Post by Gunhaver on Jan 11, 2024 18:18:09 GMT -5
I did not have "Dave Meltzer referencing a WrestleCrap book" on my 2024 Wrestling Twitter bingo card. Dave being mistaken as the author is just the best. There are two names on the byline and Eric somehow misidentified them both despite raging at all three at some point.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 11, 2024 20:20:17 GMT -5
So, serious question, what is Eric Bischoff's problem with Meltzer? He seems to hate the guy on a deeply personal level. On DSotR he randomly went on a rant about how Meltzer is an idiot and a liar in an episode that had nothing to do with Meltzer. What happened? To quote Miz, did he call his mother and Meltzer answered the phone? What's the deal?
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Jan 11, 2024 20:26:17 GMT -5
So, serious question, what is Eric Bischoff's problem with Meltzer? He seems to hate the guy on a deeply personal level. On DSotR he randomly went on a rant about how Meltzer is an idiot and a liar in an episode that had nothing to do with Meltzer. What happened? To quote Miz, did he call his mother and Meltzer answered the phone? What's the deal? It all stems back to when Eric was running WCW and the stories/editorials Meltzer would run. The Bischoff/Tony beef really took off when Tony was critical of Ted Turner in a press conference.
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Post by khali on Jan 11, 2024 21:53:12 GMT -5
So, serious question, what is Eric Bischoff's problem with Meltzer? He seems to hate the guy on a deeply personal level. On DSotR he randomly went on a rant about how Meltzer is an idiot and a liar in an episode that had nothing to do with Meltzer. What happened? To quote Miz, did he call his mother and Meltzer answered the phone? What's the deal? Whatever the reason, it really isn’t ever going to go well for Eric since Dave is going to remember every conversation they had back when he would talk to Dave. As evidenced by Eric being wrong every time he tries to say something to Dave.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 11, 2024 23:14:56 GMT -5
So, serious question, what is Eric Bischoff's problem with Meltzer? He seems to hate the guy on a deeply personal level. On DSotR he randomly went on a rant about how Meltzer is an idiot and a liar in an episode that had nothing to do with Meltzer. What happened? To quote Miz, did he call his mother and Meltzer answered the phone? What's the deal? The anti Meltzer crowd tends to overlap with the anti AEW crowd, so it's a nice way to keep the grift up.
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