Vince S.A. Lawsuit Thread (Vince Resigns Page 60)

[yokohamacpfc]

Thoughts on ep 1

- Vince and Bret do a good job explaining the appeal of pro wrestling to non-fans.
- Vince hangs himself early doors in the doc "There's stuff I can't tell you".
- Linda has had a bit of work done (not as much as hubby but that ain't saying much).
- Hogan surprisingly lucid but still a braggart liar.
- What the eff was Tony Atlas wearing?
- I had subs on as my ears are going bad and the subs said "World Wrestling Entertainment" even when the audio said "WWF".
- Vince is genuinely effed up about how he feels about his father. I would feel for him if not for... all the terrible stuff he did in the 40 years after his dad's death.
- Gawd Vince was an awful announcer.
- Vince during this time was around the same age as Tony Khan is now and his father's money/power/infrastructure was giving him creative freedom that other promoters didn't have, that sprang to mind when they mentioned Vince was experimenting with new stuff (coz he could) so it makes you wonder what the TK legacy will look like in 40 years (hopefully none of the, you know what...)
- They were barely in this episode but we saw them all get mic'ed up at the beginning of the show. Shane's voice is a lot deeper out of character, Taker is on the pies in retirement, it'll never not be funny how awkward Cena comes across out of character.
- Big Dave in a clean room, looking smart and not umming or awwing, a lot of Netflix's budget went on spending 3 weeks to shoot that 1-minute clip.

Little about the dark side of Vince (of course they mention his shame at the start as a warning I guess, but it's separate from the tone of the episode) other than "Rah, rah, America, capitalism!" guff that some might find distasteful but it's an excellent explainer about the early history of national expansion era WWF IMO. Schultz/Stossel is implied to be his doing but it's clear everyone backstage was on board with it. I wonder how the Belzer lawsuit would end today with more scrutiny over such cases as he did ask to be put in a wrestling hold. It does end with a few minutes telling of the scandals that will take up all of ep 2.

[dreidemy]

I can't look at Vince's face, it disgusts me really

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

some of the people on the EVE Discord are commentating on the doc episodes so far and it sounds like it is basically just the same old shit we already know

I'm told Snuka's murder accusation takes up less time than the Curtain Call, for example

I was going to watch this basically so that I could fact check work colleagues if this gets 'Tiger King' big, but I'm not sure I have the f***ing patience to do that when I have limited time left on this Earth and six hours of it could be spent doing literally anything else

[Renslayer]

Sept 25, 2024 6:51:29 GMT -5 yokohamacpfc said:

Thoughts on ep 1

- Vince and Bret do a good job explaining the appeal of pro wrestling to non-fans.
- Vince hangs himself early doors in the doc "There's stuff I can't tell you".
- Linda has had a bit of work done (not as much as hubby but that ain't saying much).
- Hogan surprisingly lucid but still a braggart liar.
- What the eff was Tony Atlas wearing?
- I had subs on as my ears are going bad and the subs said "World Wrestling Entertainment" even when the audio said "WWF".
- Vince is genuinely effed up about how he feels about his father. I would feel for him if not for... all the terrible stuff he did in the 40 years after his dad's death.
- Gawd Vince was an awful announcer.
- Vince during this time was around the same age as Tony Khan is now and his father's money/power/infrastructure was giving him creative freedom that other promoters didn't have, that sprang to mind when they mentioned Vince was experimenting with new stuff (coz he could) so it makes you wonder what the TK legacy will look like in 40 years (hopefully none of the, you know what...)
- They were barely in this episode but we saw them all get mic'ed up at the beginning of the show. Shane's voice is a lot deeper out of character, Taker is on the pies in retirement, it'll never not be funny how awkward Cena comes across out of character.
- Big Dave in a clean room, looking smart and not umming or awwing, a lot of Netflix's budget went on spending 3 weeks to shoot that 1-minute clip.

Little about the dark side of Vince (of course they mention his shame at the start as a warning I guess, but it's separate from the tone of the episode) other than "Rah, rah, America, capitalism!" guff that some might find distasteful but it's an excellent explainer about the early history of national expansion era WWF IMO. Schultz/Stossel is implied to be his doing but it's clear everyone backstage was on board with it. I wonder how the Belzer lawsuit would end today with more scrutiny over such cases as he did ask to be put in a wrestling hold. It does end with a few minutes telling of the scandals that will take up all of ep 2.

The same things happens for me when I have the subs on and watch something pre 2002 on peacock

[khali]

Should we have a separate thread just for the documentary? There is definitely going to be a lot to talk about in it aside from what just fits into the assaults. The first episode was well done, I thought.

[Alice Syndrome]

Oh my GOD this man's comment on the Rita Chatterton case

[cornettesracket]

Sept 25, 2024 9:26:32 GMT -5 khali said:

Should we have a separate thread just for the documentary? There is definitely going to be a lot to talk about in it aside from what just fits into the assaults. The first episode was well done, I thought.

I’ve not watched it yet but I think it’d be no harm to separate the documentary and the lawsuit. I say that by keeping the two together we risk diluting the seriousness of the reason this thread is here for.

[khali]

Sept 25, 2024 9:32:18 GMT -5 cornettesracket said:

Sept 25, 2024 9:26:32 GMT -5 khali said:

Should we have a separate thread just for the documentary? There is definitely going to be a lot to talk about in it aside from what just fits into the assaults. The first episode was well done, I thought.

I’ve not watched it yet but I think it’d be no harm to separate the documentary and the lawsuit. I say that by keeping the two together we risk diluting the seriousness of the reason this thread is here for.

Yeah, like I haven’t gotten to this point in the documentary yet but I’ve seen there’s going to be some talk about Pat Patterson and allegations from Tony Atlas, and that’s a whole different sepapate thing that is important.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

I opened up a separate thread for people who'd like to discuss the doc as I feel it's scope will exceed the purpose of this thread

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Sept 25, 2024 4:00:29 GMT -5 Ryushinku said:

Also note that Vince Sr backed Vince's aggression against the territories.

I know in some corners out there, for decades, the stance was that Vince Sr would've always played nice and all the promoters would've worked together in some kind of pro wrestling utopia if it wasn't for Vince.

Nope. It was always a nest of snakes, almost all of them would've been happy to stab the others in the back given the same chance, and eventually there would've always been someone that fought their way to crush the others and come out on top.

Yeah, anyone of the old timers angry at Vince has always really been mad that he managed to od it first and succeed.

The territories were dying before Vince did anything.

[salz4life]

Sept 25, 2024 8:45:58 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

some of the people on the EVE Discord are commentating on the doc episodes so far and it sounds like it is basically just the same old shit we already know

I'm told Snuka's murder accusation takes up less time than the Curtain Call, for example

I was going to watch this basically so that I could fact check work colleagues if this gets 'Tiger King' big, but I'm not sure I have the f***ing patience to do that when I have limited time left on this Earth and six hours of it could be spent doing literally anything else

My first disappointment of the documentary (haven't watched it yet) is it sounds like there isn't much about the Snuka accusation. I was hoping maybe some more info would be found on that.

[Gerard Gerard]

Hogan and VKM locked in a hotel room for 2 days is pretty much a premise that writes itself.

[MrElijah]

Sept 25, 2024 12:27:52 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Sept 25, 2024 4:00:29 GMT -5 Ryushinku said:

Also note that Vince Sr backed Vince's aggression against the territories.

I know in some corners out there, for decades, the stance was that Vince Sr would've always played nice and all the promoters would've worked together in some kind of pro wrestling utopia if it wasn't for Vince.

Nope. It was always a nest of snakes, almost all of them would've been happy to stab the others in the back given the same chance, and eventually there would've always been someone that fought their way to crush the others and come out on top.

Yeah, anyone of the old timers angry at Vince has always really been mad that he managed to od it first and succeed.

The territories were dying before Vince did anything.

-Jim Crockett Jr. did some taking over with Mid-South, Georgia Championship Wrestling and Championship Wrestling from Florida.

-Pro Wrestling USA? That joint venture to combat Vince? Verne Gagne and JCP said the other tried to poach talent.

-Watts & Fritz, IIRC, had a falling out.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Sept 25, 2024 12:48:50 GMT -5 Gerard Gerard said:

Hogan and VKM locked in a hotel room for 2 days is pretty much a premise that writes itself.

I'm picturing the Black Books episode where Bernard and Manny try to write a children's book, but much MUCH more cocaine.

[Ryushinku]

Sept 25, 2024 6:48:53 GMT -5 Jedi-El of Tomorrow said:

One wrestling conspiracy I 100% believe is that Steph and Hunter were the ones that leaked about Vince's NDA's. Vince forced Hunter out after his health scare, and tried to tear down everything Hunter built. That shit is gonna tear people apart, and leave a huge impact. They knew what Vince would do to them, so they said "f*** it, these NDA's aren't gonna be a secret anymore."

I'm really not big on conspiracy theories in general - the old "don't put down to malice what can be covered by incompetence" mantra serves very well - but this one I absolutely find easy to believe.

[Ryback on a Pole!]

Sept 25, 2024 7:18:51 GMT -5 dreidemy said:

I can't look at Vince's face, it disgusts me really

They should give him Christian's "Blue Dot" gimmick

[Timeless Hayterade]

Sept 25, 2024 9:32:13 GMT -5 Alice Syndrome said:

Oh my GOD this man's comment on the Rita Chatterton case

To me, that sounded like an admission of guilt. It's like when OJ authored "If I Did It."

[Feargus McReddit]

Sept 25, 2024 17:21:20 GMT -5 Ryushinku said:

Sept 25, 2024 6:48:53 GMT -5 Jedi-El of Tomorrow said:

One wrestling conspiracy I 100% believe is that Steph and Hunter were the ones that leaked about Vince's NDA's. Vince forced Hunter out after his health scare, and tried to tear down everything Hunter built. That shit is gonna tear people apart, and leave a huge impact. They knew what Vince would do to them, so they said "f*** it, these NDA's aren't gonna be a secret anymore."

I'm really not big on conspiracy theories in general - the old "don't put down to malice what can be covered by incompetence" mantra serves very well - but this one I absolutely find easy to believe.

Honestly, the more time goes on, the only thing that counters the argument is that HHH and Stephanie sort of lost out in certain ways. Like, HHH went from a board member at WWE to “just” the head of talent relations and head of creative with The Rock filling what likely would have been his spot in another reality whilst Stephanie is not associated with the company in any single way whatsoever outside of appearing sometimes.

And even then, that’s not to say I don’t buy it because I absolutely do. As said, Vince did everything to not just push HHH and Steph out of the company, putting out a hit piece on his own daughter after she left and basically having HHH have a job title where he reports to everyone else but also brute force his way to TKO happening in the first place. There really isn’t anyone else who would benefit from leaking the stuff out who, potentially, isn’t going to be asked to testify in Vince’s Fed case.

[markymark]

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