Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 1, 2024 12:10:15 GMT -5
I’ve been binge watching videos about these loonies recently. Trying to follow the lines of reasoning is like trying to figure out what is at the bottom of the Marianna trench. We’ve had threads about conspiracy theories before, but these aren’t even amusing examples, they are just annoying. I am The funny thing is, I work for Safelite, and not long ago I processed a work order that needed all the windows replaced, I wondered aloud what kind of accident could cause that, and one of our technicians smirked and said “That was no accident.” Immediately thought of these doofs.
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 1, 2024 19:02:00 GMT -5
I run into them once in a blue moon for work. It's always funny/stupid because every one I've ever ran into acts like if they say a couple magic words in the right order that zero laws apply to them.
The biggest tax protester in the area brags about how he hasn't paid taxes for 30 years because the government is too chicken shit to come after him in his armored compound... his son pays his taxes for him so the IRS has no reason to ever show up.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Feb 1, 2024 19:07:12 GMT -5
They're hilariously stupid, and while more dangerous than the "1st amendment auditor" scumbag losers, I actually have some measure of respect for the sovereign citizens. They at least think they have some idea or concept they're fighting for.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 1, 2024 21:08:37 GMT -5
My favourite one of those is a reddit post from a guy who's brother was the UK version (probably from being desperate for a way out of his debts) and kept trying stupid things like claiming land by trowing an axe at all 4 corners, and once getting someone to change the locks on the OPs house and, "claim" it but being baffled when he just had the police politely tell him to give it back.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Feb 1, 2024 23:06:32 GMT -5
r/askreddit frequently solicits stories from lawyers asking them the worst clients or defendants that they have had to deal with. It is uncanny how multiple responses have been the same specific thing in regards to Sovereign Citizens: the way they always, ALWAYS insist that the fact that the American flag in the courtroom has gold trimming means that it’s an admiralty court rather than a constitutional court, and that they therefore have no jurisdiction to prosecute them. It’s just that oddly specific form of pseudo-intellectualism, with its frequency with this same population, that I can’t get over.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 1, 2024 23:08:21 GMT -5
Some wrestler needs to do a sovereign citizen gimmick. Their finish can be the Death Valley Traveler.
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Post by pinja on Feb 1, 2024 23:15:12 GMT -5
The similar German "Reichsbürger" movement tries to overthrow our government and gets help from our extreme right. The public made fun of them for years until it stopped being funny.
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Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 2, 2024 0:45:20 GMT -5
It may have been a poor move to let the extremely stupid have an equal voice...not that the extremely stupid shouldn't have a say, but giving them a means of finding each other.
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Post by Rave on Feb 2, 2024 0:59:33 GMT -5
Not quite the same watching them since Schrodinger's Cat passed away, but occasionally they still pop up on the arrest videos I'm fond of watching.
Sad part is, both idiot brother and entitled nephew have talked about SovCits, so if either start slinging that nonsense then it'll be yet another bit of stupid I'll have to deal with.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 2, 2024 1:12:18 GMT -5
r/askreddit frequently solicits stories from lawyers asking them the worst clients or defendants that they have had to deal with. It is uncanny how multiple responses have been the same specific thing in regards to Sovereign Citizens: the way they always, ALWAYS insist that the fact that the American flag in the courtroom has gold trimming means that it’s an admiralty court rather than a constitutional court, and that they therefore have no jurisdiction to prosecute them. It’s just that oddly specific form of pseudo-intellectualism, with its frequency with this same population, that I can’t get over. This is such a stupid argument that it was even attempted on Family Matters once by a character, if I recall correctly. They similarly immediately dismissed it as irrelevant.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 2, 2024 1:30:20 GMT -5
they basically think the law is a magic spell.
Say the right things in the right order and presto! You can do what you want.
Despite this literally never working ... it has not stopped them from believing that a friend of a friend totally got off once.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 2, 2024 1:30:53 GMT -5
r/askreddit frequently solicits stories from lawyers asking them the worst clients or defendants that they have had to deal with. It is uncanny how multiple responses have been the same specific thing in regards to Sovereign Citizens: the way they always, ALWAYS insist that the fact that the American flag in the courtroom has gold trimming means that it’s an admiralty court rather than a constitutional court, and that they therefore have no jurisdiction to prosecute them. It’s just that oddly specific form of pseudo-intellectualism, with its frequency with this same population, that I can’t get over. This is such a stupid argument that it was even attempted on Family Matters once by a character, if I recall correctly. They similarly immediately dismissed it as irrelevant. Dale Gribble also tried it.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 2, 2024 6:30:28 GMT -5
I should let the mods know that via section 5 of the Articles of Confederation I cannot have my posts ever be removed or changed for any reason. I am not legally defined as a poster on FAN, my governmental status is as a user of FAN and as such every part of the board exists within my personal jurisdiction. Don’t tempt fate, sucka
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 2, 2024 8:22:36 GMT -5
I used to work as a law clerk for a judge in a foreclosure court. So I would help him write opinions, review pleadings, organize schedules, etc. Writing a legal opinion dealing with these folks is very hard. The phrase "no cognizable legal argument" came in very handy. There were a few different varieties of these legal magic word types that would come through. Chicago especially had a higher number of Moorish Science Temple sovereign citizens. I think the Moorish Science Temple is a precursor to the Nation of Islam, but within that there is a distinct sovereign citizen type movement summarized here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_Science_Temple_of_AmericaWe also had the normal gold-fringe, fingerprints on the page, names in all capital letters, weirdos. The clerks would actually have an annual contest to see who had the most ridiculous filings. The all time winner was printed on card stock, had what looked like gold leaf, and had the Papal seal on it. And everything in it was pure arglebargle. Sometimes they were amusing. But other times they were quite frightening, and the judge had to get the sheriff involved in investigating potential threats. And the threat to judges is very real and they are all KEENLY aware of it. Just a few years before I started working there, a judge's husband and mother were murdered by an upset litigant.
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Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 2, 2024 8:26:31 GMT -5
I run into them once in a blue moon for work. It's always funny/stupid because every one I've ever ran into acts like if they say a couple magic words in the right order that zero laws apply to them. The biggest tax protester in the area brags about how he hasn't paid taxes for 30 years because the government is too chicken shit to come after him in his armored compound... his son pays his taxes for him so the IRS has no reason to ever show up. I blame JK Rowling
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Feb 2, 2024 8:59:19 GMT -5
I just barely managed to turn my dad away from getting into the SovCit 'movement'. If I try to explain my dad I'll be here all day and this post will be a wall o' text that no one will read, so I'm not going to try. But his introduction to SovCit was some guy's writing and Dad got kid-in-a-candy-store excited and said becoming a SovCit was going to solve all our problems (we didn't actually have any problems). I told him to get on the internet and try to find even one example of SovCit arguments being upheld in court. After watching SovCits get owned by police and judges and never having their arguments taken seriously, he became infuriated that the courts could "refuse to uphold the law." If I'd tried to tell him he was misinformed he'd have just dug in his heels and doubled down, so instead I pointed out that no matter how sound his arguments were the courts weren't going to listen to them and he had no capability to force them to listen. So he reluctantly backed down off it.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Feb 2, 2024 10:50:54 GMT -5
Some wrestler needs to do a sovereign citizen gimmick. Their finish can be the Death Valley Traveler. "The referee that officiated my match was wearing a white shirt with black stripes, however the official referee dress standard states they should be wearing a black shirt with white stripes, so he was not a duly appointed referee at that point. This means that I did not lose the match. The fact that my opponent did not use their real name, instead using a fictional name assigned to him by the company, means that I was essentially wrestling nobody means that, combined with the lack of the duly appointed referee means that I should be given the match win via forfeit, as neither my opponent nor a duly appointed referee attended my scheduled bout"
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 2, 2024 10:57:45 GMT -5
Some wrestler needs to do a sovereign citizen gimmick. Their finish can be the Death Valley Traveler. "The referee that officiated my match was wearing a white shirt with black stripes, however the official referee dress standard states they should be wearing a black shirt with white stripes, so he was not a duly appointed referee at that point. This means that I did not lose the match. The fact that my opponent did not use their real name, instead using a fictional name assigned to him by the company, means that I was essentially wrestling nobody means that, combined with the lack of the duly appointed referee means that I should be given the match win via forfeit, as neither my opponent nor a duly appointed referee attended my scheduled bout" The chyron had my name in all capital letters, meaning it was the strawman of me participating rather than my flesh and blood self and I do not consent to this loss.
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Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 2, 2024 11:26:06 GMT -5
Some wrestler needs to do a sovereign citizen gimmick. Their finish can be the Death Valley Traveler. "The referee that officiated my match was wearing a white shirt with black stripes, however the official referee dress standard states they should be wearing a black shirt with white stripes, so he was not a duly appointed referee at that point. This means that I did not lose the match. The fact that my opponent did not use their real name, instead using a fictional name assigned to him by the company, means that I was essentially wrestling nobody means that, combined with the lack of the duly appointed referee means that I should be given the match win via forfeit, as neither my opponent nor a duly appointed referee attended my scheduled bout" Screaming “I do not consent!” as they get pinned. Okay that’s actually a disturbing visual.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 2, 2024 12:14:14 GMT -5
When i didn't travel over the top rope, the moment I was thrown I became cargo abd therefore...
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