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Post by ANuclearError on Feb 17, 2024 6:03:42 GMT -5
Don’t book 2 people who have a big PPV match like the next day to face each other. This is not complicated. There was ZERO good reason to do this match. If the idea is to protect the matchup for the PPV, then sure, don't have it on the show. That's fine. But now the objective is to replace it with an alternative matchup of similar value, presumably with people not booked on the PPV. But hang on... Aren't wrestlers inherently LESS valuable if they're not booked on PPVs? That's what I'm told by wrestling fans. Man, it's going to be tricky to find a matchup of similar value with wrestlers of perceived lesser value, isn't it? Why would I watch a show full of wrestlers that aren't important enough to be put on a show they expect me to pay money for? Some of them have probably even lost to the IMPORTANT wrestlers, haven't they? OK, I've laid on the sarcasm pretty thick, but you have to see the conundrum here, right? This is pretty much the point of faction-based booking, it allows you to project the big match by having tag matches in the build-up, teasing the big match whilst keeping both strong.
You don't even need to go full New Japan with it, the concept still works by letting wrestlers have lingering alliances and friendships that can be called upon when required.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 17, 2024 7:46:58 GMT -5
Are we going to eventually get the New Catch Republic vs. The No Quarter Catch Crew in a Catch-as-Catch Can match?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2024 7:49:34 GMT -5
Are we going to eventually get the New Catch Republic vs. The No Quarter Catch Crew in a Catch-as-Catch Can match? Only if the match is played entirely as a game of Catch, first to drop the ball loses.
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Post by nevthebassist on Feb 17, 2024 8:32:21 GMT -5
Are we going to eventually get the New Catch Republic vs. The No Quarter Catch Crew in a Catch-as-Catch Can match? Only if the match is played entirely as a game of Catch, first to drop the ball loses. The League of Gentlemen fan in me read this as a Catch-as-Catch I Can I Can't match.
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Post by gl83 on Feb 17, 2024 10:47:26 GMT -5
It does not help that they set up this “revenge tour” for Liv specifically. And she had been back for a few weeks. What possible purpose dose beating her already serve? And heck beating Tiffany already is dumb as well. Because Liv didn't lose clean. Spoiler report there didn't note it, but Bianca attempted to go after Tiffany, causing Liv to get distracted and rolled up to lose. I would also say Liv losing isn't the end of the world since she has been absolutely ice cold since her return as well. Her fans might be interested in a "revenge tour" but its pretty clear that the average WWE fan does not care. Normally a returning babyface back from injury going on a revenge tour after the Heel that injured her in the first place should work........the problem is that said Heel that injured her also seems to be beloved by a good portion of the WWE fans and is on the verge of a Face turn herself so not too many people are going to be itching for said returning Face to get her revenge.
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Post by Vincent Whiney on Feb 17, 2024 11:29:32 GMT -5
Because Liv didn't lose clean. Spoiler report there didn't note it, but Bianca attempted to go after Tiffany, causing Liv to get distracted and rolled up to lose. I would also say Liv losing isn't the end of the world since she has been absolutely ice cold since her return as well. Her fans might be interested in a "revenge tour" but its pretty clear that the average WWE fan does not care. Normally a returning babyface back from injury going on a revenge tour after the Heel that injured her in the first place should work........the problem is that said Heel that injured her also seems to be beloved by a good portion of the WWE fans and is on the verge of a Face turn herself so not too many people are going to be itching for said returning Face to get her revenge. It’s like the Simpsons ending “And eventually Liv got her revenge on…Oh let’s say…Tiffany!”
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 17, 2024 11:52:43 GMT -5
Because Liv didn't lose clean. Spoiler report there didn't note it, but Bianca attempted to go after Tiffany, causing Liv to get distracted and rolled up to lose. I would also say Liv losing isn't the end of the world since she has been absolutely ice cold since her return as well. Her fans might be interested in a "revenge tour" but its pretty clear that the average WWE fan does not care. Normally a returning babyface back from injury going on a revenge tour after the Heel that injured her in the first place should work........the problem is that said Heel that injured her also seems to be beloved by a good portion of the WWE fans and is on the verge of a Face turn herself so not too many people are going to be itching for said returning Face to get her revenge. Also it's really unfortunate timing, as Rhea has been a de facto face in the build for her match with Nia Jax in Perth and she hasn't been interacting much with the other members of the Judgement Day. Liv also hasn't been given much TV time since her return and had to face Zoey Stark who is pretty heatless herself.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 17, 2024 12:11:26 GMT -5
I can't tell if losing to Odyssey Jones in a Speed taping is better or worse than losing to Gable Steveson in dark matches.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 18, 2024 0:29:55 GMT -5
Because Liv didn't lose clean. Spoiler report there didn't note it, but Bianca attempted to go after Tiffany, causing Liv to get distracted and rolled up to lose. I would also say Liv losing isn't the end of the world since she has been absolutely ice cold since her return as well. Her fans might be interested in a "revenge tour" but its pretty clear that the average WWE fan does not care. Normally a returning babyface back from injury going on a revenge tour after the Heel that injured her in the first place should work........the problem is that said Heel that injured her also seems to be beloved by a good portion of the WWE fans and is on the verge of a Face turn herself so not too many people are going to be itching for said returning Face to get her revenge. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think you really want to know how much (or how little) people REALLY want Liv Morgan to get revenge on Rhea Ripley at this point. You're kinda risking turning people against Morgan, if we're being honest.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 18, 2024 1:23:35 GMT -5
Normally a returning babyface back from injury going on a revenge tour after the Heel that injured her in the first place should work........the problem is that said Heel that injured her also seems to be beloved by a good portion of the WWE fans and is on the verge of a Face turn herself so not too many people are going to be itching for said returning Face to get her revenge. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't you think you really want to know how much (or how little) people REALLY want Liv Morgan to get revenge on Rhea Ripley at this point. You're kinda risking turning people against Morgan, if we're being honest. Yeah, let's say you put her against Rhea in Perth. Liv's getting eaten alive in that case. You put her against Rhea at Mania, and the fans are booing Liv because fans want Rhea vs Becky. You make it a triple threat, and Liv's the one getting booed.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 18, 2024 1:30:49 GMT -5
Has Liv ever really been especially over at all? She always kind of struck me as someone who gets more of a response than the bulk of the division but still not really particularly notable reactions, certainly not on par with the division’s headliners or really even someone like Nia.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 18, 2024 1:39:57 GMT -5
Why is WWE obsessed with the word "catch" when the main dude behind Catch Point (TJP) isn't even there anymore?
Like, at least if you hire his dumb ass again, you'll get "CATCH POINT! WHOOP! WHOOP!" chants.
And that's more of a reaction than either of the current "Catch" factions get.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 18, 2024 1:46:44 GMT -5
I can't tell if losing to Odyssey Jones in a Speed taping is better or worse than losing to Gable Steveson in dark matches. I'm trying to figure out how Odyssey Jones and "Speed" even go together.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 18, 2024 1:47:51 GMT -5
Has Liv ever really been especially over at all? She always kind of struck me as someone who gets more of a response than the bulk of the division but still not really particularly notable reactions, certainly not on par with the division’s headliners or really even someone like Nia. She really was getting good reactions at one point, for a time she wasn't, I wanna say actually AFTER her women's title reign, people started getting behind her more... which is weird but it's when I noticed crowd reactions picking up and then she got hurt.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 18, 2024 1:50:08 GMT -5
Has Liv ever really been especially over at all? She always kind of struck me as someone who gets more of a response than the bulk of the division but still not really particularly notable reactions, certainly not on par with the division’s headliners or really even someone like Nia. She really was getting good reactions at one point, for a time she wasn't, I wanna say actually AFTER her women's title reign, people started getting behind her more... which is weird but it's when I noticed crowd reactions picking up and then she got hurt. Put her back in her Space Jam "Liv Squad" gear and she'll get reactions again.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 18, 2024 1:55:48 GMT -5
I can't tell if losing to Odyssey Jones in a Speed taping is better or worse than losing to Gable Steveson in dark matches. I'm trying to figure out how Odyssey Jones and "Speed" even go together. He’s big like a bus, I suppose. (And if his match goes under 55 seconds, he’ll explode)
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 18, 2024 2:00:09 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out how Odyssey Jones and "Speed" even go together. He’s big like a bus, I suppose. (And if his match goes under 55 seconds, he’ll explode) It will be called "The Match That Couldn't Slow Down."
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 18, 2024 2:02:35 GMT -5
Has Liv ever really been especially over at all? She always kind of struck me as someone who gets more of a response than the bulk of the division but still not really particularly notable reactions, certainly not on par with the division’s headliners or really even someone like Nia. She really was getting good reactions at one point, for a time she wasn't, I wanna say actually AFTER her women's title reign, people started getting behind her more... which is weird but it's when I noticed crowd reactions picking up and then she got hurt. Yeah, it’s just bad luck and bad timing here. If she wasn’t hurt, she’d have been able to keep up her momentum, keep improving and cement her overness. As it stands, during that time, Lynch went on a heater of career-best matches and Ripley just went from strength to strength as a perpetually-featured star, becoming probably the most over woman all of wrestling.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 18, 2024 2:05:57 GMT -5
She really was getting good reactions at one point, for a time she wasn't, I wanna say actually AFTER her women's title reign, people started getting behind her more... which is weird but it's when I noticed crowd reactions picking up and then she got hurt. Yeah, it’s just bad luck and bad timing here. If she wasn’t hurt, she’d have been able to keep up her momentum, keep improving and cement her overness. As it stands, during that time, Lynch went on a heater of career-best matches and Ripley just went from strength to strength as a perpetually-featured star, becoming probably the most over woman all of wrestling. Most people _like_ Liv, she just never gets to build enough momentum to hang with the top tier. And taking that into account, they kept trying to use her to get Raquel over, even though the "Back Muscles" gimmick is dumb, and Raquel would be better off going back to her "Eyepatch Vaquera (cowgirl)" gimmick.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 18, 2024 2:44:31 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s just bad luck and bad timing here. If she wasn’t hurt, she’d have been able to keep up her momentum, keep improving and cement her overness. As it stands, during that time, Lynch went on a heater of career-best matches and Ripley just went from strength to strength as a perpetually-featured star, becoming probably the most over woman all of wrestling. Most people _like_ Liv, she just never gets to build enough momentum to hang with the top tier. And taking that into account, they kept trying to use her to get Raquel over, even though the "Back Muscles" gimmick is dumb, and Raquel would be better off going back to her "Eyepatch Vaquera (cowgirl)" gimmick.
Raquel's in a tricky spot. There's been inherent suspicion about her from smarks ever since she dethroned Iyo in NXT (which has flowed on to fans of her tag partners thinking she's trying to take their momentum), and having a 'look at my back' gimmick just doesn't work when on the same roster as Rhea. She's quite a talented wrestler when she gets the chance (worth remembering that the best match of Ronda's second run was with her), but she's never really had the chance to establish a distinctive main roster character. Then when crowds were getting more into her against Nia, she falls ill.
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