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Post by asuka007 on Feb 18, 2024 8:33:04 GMT -5
The issue with Liv is that they’ve been doing this stop/start booking with her for years. Whenever it looks like she’s really building momentum, it feels like they always do stuff to pull the rug out from under her.
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Post by mistery on Feb 18, 2024 8:48:58 GMT -5
Most people _like_ Liv, she just never gets to build enough momentum to hang with the top tier. And taking that into account, they kept trying to use her to get Raquel over, even though the "Back Muscles" gimmick is dumb, and Raquel would be better off going back to her "Eyepatch Vaquera (cowgirl)" gimmick. Raquel's in a tricky spot. There's been inherent suspicion about her from smarks ever since she dethroned Iyo in NXT (which has flowed on to fans of her tag partners thinking she's trying to take their momentum), and having a 'look at my back' gimmick just doesn't work when on the same roster as Rhea. She's quite a talented wrestler when she gets the chance (worth remembering that the best match of Ronda's second run was with her), but she's never really had the chance to establish a distinctive main roster character. Then when crowds were getting more into her against Nia, she falls ill.
Eh. I think the issue people have with Raquel is how WWE presents her. When she dethroned Iyo, a large chunk of goodwill she had evaporated when WWE had her, Bianca, and Rhea in the same ring, acting like Raquel had saved the division from a reign of terror (despite the fact that Iyo despite being dominant, made every woman she worked with look like a million dollars). And any goodwill she had left completely evaporated when they had Dakota Kai turn on her, and act like Dakota was the heel and you are a bad person for booing her (remember, they dubbed in booing over the turn [as that episode was pre-recorded], despite the NXT audience cheering Dakota at the time). The issue with Liv is that they’ve been doing this stop/start booking with her for years. Whenever it looks like she’s really building momentum, it feels like they always do stuff to pull the rug out from under her. I dunno. Part of the problem is whenever they give Liv a push, she inevitably has to cut a promo, and the vast majority of her promos sound completely inauthentic. A lot of her fandom seems to be because "she's hot". She's a good wrestler, but also pretty much in the lower mid tier when it comes to actually wrestling and cutting promos. It's the same thing Mandy Rose went through, in that she was acceptable (which is being super generous here) in the ring, but her promos were incredibly robotic and they never sounded authentic at all.
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 18, 2024 9:05:37 GMT -5
Being a brilliant promo is not essentially. We’ve seen it over and over again.
When you give her proper booking (like With the Shayna feud) it works.
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Post by Vincent Whiney on Feb 18, 2024 9:58:41 GMT -5
Raquel's in a tricky spot. There's been inherent suspicion about her from smarks ever since she dethroned Iyo in NXT (which has flowed on to fans of her tag partners thinking she's trying to take their momentum), and having a 'look at my back' gimmick just doesn't work when on the same roster as Rhea. She's quite a talented wrestler when she gets the chance (worth remembering that the best match of Ronda's second run was with her), but she's never really had the chance to establish a distinctive main roster character. Then when crowds were getting more into her against Nia, she falls ill.
Eh. I think the issue people have with Raquel is how WWE presents her. When she dethroned Iyo, a large chunk of goodwill she had evaporated when WWE had her, Bianca, and Rhea in the same ring, acting like Raquel had saved the division from a reign of terror (despite the fact that Iyo despite being dominant, made every woman she worked with look like a million dollars). And any goodwill she had left completely evaporated when they had Dakota Kai turn on her, and act like Dakota was the heel and you are a bad person for booing her (remember, they dubbed in booing over the turn [as that episode was pre-recorded], despite the NXT audience cheering Dakota at the time). The issue with Liv is that they’ve been doing this stop/start booking with her for years. Whenever it looks like she’s really building momentum, it feels like they always do stuff to pull the rug out from under her. I dunno. Part of the problem is whenever they give Liv a push, she inevitably has to cut a promo, and the vast majority of her promos sound completely inauthentic. A lot of her fandom seems to be because "she's hot". She's a good wrestler, but also pretty much in the lower mid tier when it comes to actually wrestling and cutting promos. It's the same thing Mandy Rose went through, in that she was acceptable (which is being super generous here) in the ring, but her promos were incredibly robotic and they never sounded authentic at all. I think it’s going to get worse for Liv with Tiffany around, she does everything Liv does better and she’s younger.
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Post by clc on Feb 18, 2024 11:16:05 GMT -5
Since they don't what Rhea looking weak in the ring ever:
Liv's "Revenge Tour" should not be focused on her getting a match with Rhea Ripley (not yet). Liv should be being a thorn in Rhea's side, an annoying prankster. Costing Judgement Day (Dom mainly) victories, humiliating Rhea with pranks, goading her into that match. This puts Liv in a heel-light role. Rhea still looks dominant, but actually gets some slight comeuppance without having to lose a match.
You could even have Liv turning to R-Truth to get help in her schemes to sabotage Judgment Day. I think fans would love that.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Feb 18, 2024 18:49:41 GMT -5
Being a brilliant promo is not essentially. We’ve seen it over and over again. When you give her proper booking (like With the Shayna feud) it works. The problem with her promos isn't even the delivery IMO, it's just the sound of her voice which she can't really help.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Feb 18, 2024 20:03:11 GMT -5
Why is WWE obsessed with the word "catch" when the main dude behind Catch Point (TJP) isn't even there anymore? Like, at least if you hire his dumb ass again, you'll get "CATCH POINT! WHOOP! WHOOP!" chants. And that's more of a reaction than either of the current "Catch" factions get. Because they want to give these guys the shooter/strong style vibe without saying either of those terms.
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