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Post by darbus alan on Feb 23, 2024 13:04:51 GMT -5
I think Matt Riddle showing up in MLW was past the voting period. While Booker T has been awful on NXT for a lot longer. I probably would've given it to Kevin Kelly as he was dreadful as lead PBP on Collision, though thankfully he's been a lot more tolerable playing second fiddle to Schiavone.
I'm also guessing Nick Khan is named there as Promoter as he represents "guy who runs WWE as CEO." That and it would be really awkward to name Vince McMahon that especially in the wake of the last couple of months.
HBK got screwed. He's still Booker of the Year to me dammit!
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Post by tagteammatchplaya on Feb 23, 2024 13:08:43 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson needs to catch and compromise to a permanent end Tony Khan's Cell Phone
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 23, 2024 13:16:39 GMT -5
The Europe MVP is a mess
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Post by Perd on Feb 23, 2024 13:19:11 GMT -5
What time is the party?
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Post by SneakMan on Feb 23, 2024 13:23:02 GMT -5
I don't think any of this is really at all that surprising, Dave has been beating the drum that WWE rules and AEW is going down the shitter for a good 8 months. Man practically threw a tantrum last year when TK won Best Booker over Hunter. Regardless the full list of awards is interesting. I'm guessing the Observer voters were looking at everything from a monetary standpoint, because without their business success "WWE didn't have any of the best wrestlers of the year, the best match, the best weekly show, or the best PPV, and them letting their sex criminal founder claw his way back into power was horrible, but they're still the best promotion of the year with the best booker and best promoter" is a baffling train of thought. |
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Post by XIII on Feb 23, 2024 13:26:37 GMT -5
Meltzer is obsolete any more. It’s fun to discuss this stuff but dude is going through it lately.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Feb 23, 2024 13:27:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I have learned to assume that anything to do with an individual wrestler representing Europe or Mexico in these awards is absolutely vapid, America-centric perception. The region-based MVP awards are generally worthless - I say as someone who generally thinks the awards are a reasonable snapshot of what was hot in wrestling in a given year. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 23, 2024 13:27:31 GMT -5
I do think this year was probably the toughest ballot I had to fill out because honestly, a lot of promotions had great years both financially and critically. Most years one promotion crushed it while everyone else was sort of just there.
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Post by Moppy on Feb 23, 2024 13:40:25 GMT -5
Papa H eh. Bloody hell.
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Post by DichEvans on Feb 23, 2024 13:49:06 GMT -5
Does Dave breakdown the metrics when making this decision.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 23, 2024 14:09:46 GMT -5
Does Dave breakdown the metrics when making this decision. Dave doesn't decide these awards. They're voted on by the WON subscribers. |
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Post by Mecca on Feb 23, 2024 14:35:48 GMT -5
Does Dave breakdown the metrics when making this decision. Dave doesn't decide these awards. They're voted on by the WON subscribers. Which of course goes to this, if you are willing to pay Dave money you likely enjoy him or his writing or both. When Dave peppers a talking point a million times it either becomes ingrained or people are going to unsubscribe. |
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 23, 2024 14:39:28 GMT -5
Can't wait for Tony's tweets Dynamite still won best weekly show, so there’s that. Also Revolution won best PPV as well. |
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Post by Legion on Feb 23, 2024 14:39:32 GMT -5
Dave doesn't decide these awards. They're voted on by the WON subscribers. Which of course goes to this, if you are willing to pay Dave money you likely enjoy him or his writing or both. When Dave peppers a talking point a million times it either becomes ingrained or people are going to unsubscribe. Or maybe those people just liked something you didnt this year? |
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 23, 2024 14:41:07 GMT -5
I don't think any of this is really at all that surprising, Dave has been beating the drum that WWE rules and AEW is going down the shitter for a good 8 months. I mean not really. He still talks up the AEW product as better for his tastes than the WWE product. He just also talks about the business metrics favoring WWE. |
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 23, 2024 14:41:55 GMT -5
Just looked at the full list of awards and only two that really don’t make sense. Excalibur as best TV commentator is a choice, and one I don’t agree with. Also the worst match of the year being bray Wyatt and L.A. knight, okay I understand it wasn’t a good match but in hindsight with what we know about bray’s health and untimely death, could voters not have picked another one ? I think that it’s likely that that match was picked BECAUSE it was Bray’s last match. Bray’s final match being THAT probably made it even worse in the minds of the voters. |
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 23, 2024 14:42:50 GMT -5
Dave doesn't decide these awards. They're voted on by the WON subscribers. Which of course goes to this, if you are willing to pay Dave money you likely enjoy him or his writing or both. When Dave peppers a talking point a million times it either becomes ingrained or people are going to unsubscribe. Is it a free vote or from a shortlist? Seems lacking in Stardom for Dave's tastes. He doesn't even cover most of my favourite promotions so I'm never going to agree but damn some seem crazy to me. Particularly best tv announcer. Why specifically tv? Veda Scott and Chris Brookes would be in my top 3 best announcers but aren't even eligible. But more importantly Kevin Kelly 3rd?! He wouldn't even make the top 5 aew announcers. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 23, 2024 14:44:45 GMT -5
Dave doesn't decide these awards. They're voted on by the WON subscribers. Which of course goes to this, if you are willing to pay Dave money you likely enjoy him or his writing or both. When Dave peppers a talking point a million times it either becomes ingrained or people are going to unsubscribe. People can think for themselves dude. Go on the Observer forums and see how many posters disagree and call out Dave on his opinions of things. |
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Feb 23, 2024 14:48:51 GMT -5
Particularly best tv announcer. Why specifically tv? Veda Scott and Chris Brookes would be in my top 3 best announcers but aren't even eligible. But more importantly Kevin Kelly 3rd?! He wouldn't even make the top 5 aew announcers. The non-wrestler category is also often impenetrable to me, alongside some of the announcer choices. Don Callis winning definitely feels like it's coming out of the same criteria that have given Paul Heyman a stranglehold on the category in times past, but I can't say that Heyman was terribly enjoyable or effective in most of the years that he won, or that Callis was very effective in this past year. I still defend the validity of the awards, mind, partly because the voting so consistently shakes out into distinct preferences and idiosyncrasies like this. I know what I'm getting out of WON awards, for good and ill. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 23, 2024 14:50:06 GMT -5
I don't think any of this is really at all that surprising, Dave has been beating the drum that WWE rules and AEW is going down the shitter for a good 8 months. Man practically threw a tantrum last year when TK won Best Booker over Hunter. Regardless the full list of awards is interesting. I'm guessing the Observer voters were looking at everything from a monetary standpoint, because without their business success "WWE didn't have any of the best wrestlers of the year, the best match, the best weekly show, or the best PPV, and them letting their sex criminal founder claw his way back into power was horrible, but they're still the best promotion of the year with the best booker and best promoter" is a baffling train of thought. I think, in addition to the business success, the awards reflect the overall creative of WWE being better as the reason for promotion of the year, Booker of the year and promoter of the year, as well as winning feud of the year (KO/Sami-Bloodline). AEW winning best PPV, best matches, best weekly show reinforces the idea that they are putting on the best matches which may make for the best individual shows but not necessarily the best promotion overall because of the knock on its creative, supported by them winning worst feud (Devil-MJF) and worst gimmick (the Devil) and Khan not getting Booker of the year. |
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