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Post by darbus alan on Feb 23, 2024 14:56:00 GMT -5
The way I interpret the category results: AEW had a lot of great individual parts, but WWE had the better overall sum of them. And ignore anything to do with the awards for Europe or Mexico because of how US and, to a lesser extent, Japan-centric the voters are.
I wonder how much better the MJF and the Devil storyline would've been received if its two central players didn't have serious injuries. Like there's some interesting ideas in theory, but the execution ended up terrible and injuries definitely played a big part of the bungling of said execution.
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Post by ace on Feb 23, 2024 15:09:43 GMT -5
Can't wait for Tony's tweets If he had any sense about how much this award doesn't matter in any context, he'd focus his energies on what he can do better for his company. The only award that matters is who has the most eyes on the product. I mean…that’s kind of why he lost Booker and Promoter of the year awards. Only the most hardcore biased AEW fans could ignore that WWE’s booking has filled buildings and done big ratings all over. Meanwhile Tony’s has plateaued at best and they run giant arenas less than half full many weeks.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 23, 2024 15:11:28 GMT -5
Particularly best tv announcer. Why specifically tv? Veda Scott and Chris Brookes would be in my top 3 best announcers but aren't even eligible. But more importantly Kevin Kelly 3rd?! He wouldn't even make the top 5 aew announcers. The non-wrestler category is also often impenetrable to me, alongside some of the announcer choices. Don Callis winning definitely feels like it's coming out of the same criteria that have given Paul Heyman a stranglehold on the category in times past, but I can't say that Heyman was terribly enjoyable or effective in most of the years that he won, or that Callis was very effective in this past year. I still defend the validity of the awards, mind, partly because the voting so consistently shakes out into distinct preferences and idiosyncrasies like this. I know what I'm getting out of WON awards, for good and ill. Yeah same. Heyman has fantastic delivery but it's usually empty content. Callis is a little different because he's a good character and fantastic on commentary but has some terrible promo segments and all his stable were better without him. However so much of that is on booking that it's hard to judge. But oh well, at least the best wrestler/events type lists are solid.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 23, 2024 15:15:50 GMT -5
Dave doesn't decide these awards. They're voted on by the WON subscribers. Which of course goes to this, if you are willing to pay Dave money you likely enjoy him or his writing or both. When Dave peppers a talking point a million times it either becomes ingrained or people are going to unsubscribe. I'm not a member of his forums or a subscriber, but in every other aspect of wrestling people actively hate the things they give money to. Most people on here (including me) give money to WWE/AEW and spend an inordinate amount of time criticising everything about them. In most aspects of media people's biggest fans are their largest critics. The Meltzer narrative has gotten so bizarrely out of hand, from people selectively quoting him to make him sound harsher on AEW. To this, people ignoring that he doesn't choose these winners and a lot of them are from AEW anyway. All of two days ago Tony Khan was retweeting Dave talking up Dynamite's ratings. People still like AEW as a product, they also like WWE more than seemingly at any point in the past two decades. That's the sense I get anecdotally from having been on the internet all of that time, so it's no surprise to see it reflected in these awards. I don't get why there has to be a conspiracy behind it as opposed to people genuinely liking the stuff they voted for.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Feb 23, 2024 15:49:18 GMT -5
When WON voters had Sami v Johnny Knoxville not in the top 10 best but in the top 10 worst matches last time is when I realized I'd probably rarely agree with them. If they're not big on zany stuff like that then it probably also explains HBK not even being in the top 5 for best booker despite the job he's done.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 23, 2024 15:58:28 GMT -5
Leon Slater not being on that list is a disgrace.
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Post by ghost on Feb 23, 2024 16:02:53 GMT -5
I’m very much a casual wrestling fan but every time I see clips of WWE content nowadays, the crowds are always hot and the characters are getting big reactions. This is the hottest I remember WWE being since the AE all things considered.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 23, 2024 16:05:22 GMT -5
Leon Slater not being on that list is a disgrace. His Swanton 450 not appearing on the best maneuver list too. Although tbf that one was a strong list.
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Post by Ryushinku on Feb 23, 2024 16:34:41 GMT -5
I mostly agree with the results.
NXT as the #5 Best Show and the #3 Worst Show is certainly something, though.
And they've gotta rename that Worst Promotional Tactic one, should've done years ago.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 23, 2024 17:12:48 GMT -5
I mostly agree with the results. NXT as the #5 Best Show and the #3 Worst Show is certainly something, though. And they've gotta rename that Worst Promotional Tactic one, should've done years ago. The normies can't handle NXT.
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Post by khali on Feb 23, 2024 18:04:31 GMT -5
I don't think any of this is really at all that surprising, Dave has been beating the drum that WWE rules and AEW is going down the shitter for a good 8 months. Man practically threw a tantrum last year when TK won Best Booker over Hunter. Regardless the full list of awards is interesting. I'm guessing the Observer voters were looking at everything from a monetary standpoint, because without their business success "WWE didn't have any of the best wrestlers of the year, the best match, the best weekly show, or the best PPV, and them letting their sex criminal founder claw his way back into power was horrible, but they're still the best promotion of the year with the best booker and best promoter" is a baffling train of thought. As far as WWE winning best promotion and booker but not best tv show (or even in the top two), it makes sense to me. WWE had a good overall big picture year, but is the tv show always must see top to bottom every week? I’ve been watching more regularly and Raw will have great stuff on it but also is unnecessarily padded at three hours long. I think a lot of of WWE tv will have good storyline advancement and matches with the top guys, which goes to the good booking. But the midcard content on the shows can kind of be a treadmill of repeated content.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 23, 2024 18:16:54 GMT -5
I don't think any of this is really at all that surprising, Dave has been beating the drum that WWE rules and AEW is going down the shitter for a good 8 months. At the same time, he still listed the All In attendance at 85k. A number that wasn't announced by AEW, a number that's not supported by the turnstile count (which is what he always uses for Mania), but a number some random person said he got from the Brent Council. He's biased, we all are, I prefer WWE, doesn't mean I don't like AEW. Booker for Worst Commentator? Booker for Worst ahead of Kevin freaking Kelly or KP? Booker helped get Trick over, that alone should disqualify him from the list. And HBK was robbed!
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 23, 2024 18:23:59 GMT -5
May those fully grown men online who had TK being BoTY living rent-free up there now find peace and find a more fruitful injustice to get outraged and angry about. Rural poverty in India, the rapidly decreasing rainforests, Clarkson not being on Top Gear, and so on... Why would Kelly Clarkson be on Top Gear?
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 23, 2024 19:34:21 GMT -5
I don't like Booker T on commentary, but there is NOOOOO WAY he was worse that Kevin Kelly this past year.
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Post by cornettesracket on Feb 23, 2024 19:55:41 GMT -5
Okay even after a few hours the worst match of the year being bray Wyatt’s last match ever is REALLY bugging me. Jesus Christ the awards were voted for after he died. Any chance these observer voters possess any kind of self awareness ?
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Post by stevescorpio on Feb 23, 2024 20:02:33 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Booker's commentary, but no way is he worse than Corey Graves.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 23, 2024 21:47:40 GMT -5
Okay even after a few hours the worst match of the year being bray Wyatt’s last match ever is REALLY bugging me. Jesus Christ the awards were voted for after he died. Any chance these observer voters possess any kind if self awareness ? It's just massively disrespectful, even if you didn't like the match f***ing Tyrus waddled around in that same year.
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Post by HIM on Feb 23, 2024 22:46:37 GMT -5
I agree. As a product WWE has felt hotter, fresher and just more entertaining than AEW to me. AEW has been dope but I just tune out more than WWE this past year.
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Post by Fade on Feb 24, 2024 0:49:28 GMT -5
It’s easily the best product since 2001/2002 cool thing is it’s vastly different.
And I like booker lol
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 24, 2024 1:37:50 GMT -5
I’m surprised Tiffany Stratton did not even make the Top 5 for Most Improved?
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