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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Feb 24, 2024 17:15:55 GMT -5
Heyman’s moveset is far more high flying than Logan’s Just imagining dude doing backflips behind the camera while asking Sunny when she first tried crack Paul, it has been two full months now. I understand that the company is not doing that great but when am I going to be paid? Oh okay!
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Post by cosmo on Feb 24, 2024 18:10:11 GMT -5
He's a scumbag, just as much as Logan Paul, the only difference between the two is time has passed for Heyman and he had a decade of the WWE revising history to make him a charming rogue genius who was screwed over by Ted Turner. Heyman conned people while struggling to keep a promotion alive. He was try to build something that had some benefits to the world. Logan Paul conned children while having no intention of delivering the game he claimed to be building, while wasting resources with needlessly polluting technology. Amongst many other scuzzy things. Plus Heyman's worst actions were decades ago, nothing will change them now. Logan's are still active. Heyman actively sabotaged people trying to help save his promotion, he repeatedly bit the hand that fed him during the TNN deal and snubbed Tommy Dreamer and Billy Corgan's attempts to buy the company by asking an unreasonable amount for it because he didn't want to lose control. He also went to Hollywood to film Rollerball while pretending he was out there trying to save ECW in order to keep talent working for free long after he knew there was no future for the promotion. Heyman walked straight into the WWF without telling the talent ECW was closed, and actively worked in creative meetings to bury the few ECW loyalists who got a job there.
Imagine hearing the story that Bill Alfonso was almost fired for helping guys jump to the WWF and WCW and literally damn near bled to death to save his job, while Heyman is shaking Vince's hand at the first chance he himself gets.
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Post by schma on Feb 24, 2024 18:16:10 GMT -5
A lot of the difference comes down to where it played out. Most of Paul Heyman's scumminess was behind the scenes. I've been a wrestling fan all my life and it's only in the last 5-10 years that I learned just how much of a dirtbag Heyman was and how much he screwed people over. Logan Paul in the meantime has been all over the internet with Youtube and various other social medias. The terrible things he does have been actively put on display. Heyman meanwhile, has kept his head down and managed to stay out of headlines. As such, the average fan likely has no clue about his sordid past. Also, as others have mentioned, wrestling is littered with genuinely terrible people and Paul's transgression just kinda fade into the crowd as cynical as that is.
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Post by Killah Ray on Feb 24, 2024 22:24:08 GMT -5
I know she's way out there herself, but it wasn't all that long ago where Azaelia Banks said Heyman was up to some pure scumbag shit with the Heyman Hustle shit he was doing before he came back to the E....
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Post by The Warthog on Feb 24, 2024 22:46:33 GMT -5
I got a chuckle out of seeing Prime at Dollar Tree. That's usually where failed beverages go to die.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Feb 25, 2024 1:36:40 GMT -5
Paul Heyman never laughed at a dead body. Logan Paul laughed at a dead body? Do I want to know this story?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 25, 2024 1:42:57 GMT -5
I got a chuckle out of seeing Prime at Dollar Tree. That's usually where failed beverages go to die. I work in a warehouse for a national supermarket chain here, and I’ve seen the Prime life cycle go from “Can’t fill the shelves fast enough” to “Can’t even give away the stuff”.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 25, 2024 1:45:42 GMT -5
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Post by CubsFan71 on Feb 25, 2024 1:57:18 GMT -5
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Post by The Warthog on Feb 25, 2024 9:30:18 GMT -5
That's the thing about first impressions: They tend to stick. My first impression years ago was that he's an arrogant douchebag and he hasn't proven me wrong so far.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 25, 2024 9:40:38 GMT -5
It also led to the apology video where it has the infamous line of " I had a lapse of judgement" if I'm not mistaken
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Post by Dub H on Feb 25, 2024 9:42:32 GMT -5
I got a chuckle out of seeing Prime at Dollar Tree. That's usually where failed beverages go to die. I work in a warehouse for a national supermarket chain here, and I’ve seen the Prime life cycle go from “Can’t fill the shelves fast enough” to “Can’t even give away the stuff”. Which is the thing to marketing to kids. Prime whole business model is using influencers to push it to their fanbases,not for the taste ,just because Influences said so. As soon as they stop chilling it,it will stop selling. At least Mr Beast candy bar was just overpriced but tasty
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 25, 2024 10:52:15 GMT -5
Also for how much shit Logan Paul gets, it sure seems to mean nothing and do nothing. The people who give him money adamantly do not care about what he did and nothing short of a sex crime is going to dislodge him, because those seem to be the only things that anyone actually sees the concept of consequences for, and even then it'd be enough only to knock him out of WWE and make him recede from video making for six months before he 'comes back' because his fans have bullied and death threat-ed his accusers into erasing their digital footprint. It's kind of miserable to think about.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 25, 2024 16:22:39 GMT -5
Also for how much shit Logan Paul gets, it sure seems to mean nothing and do nothing. The people who give him money adamantly do not care about what he did and nothing short of a sex crime is going to dislodge him, because those seem to be the only things that anyone actually sees the concept of consequences for, and even then it'd be enough only to knock him out of WWE and make him recede from video making for six months before he 'comes back' because his fans have bullied and death threat-ed his accusers into erasing their digital footprint. It's kind of miserable to think about. I mean Jake Paul's done sex crimes and he still gets work, bold of you to assume that'd make any difference.
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Post by The Warthog on Feb 25, 2024 17:20:55 GMT -5
What bothers me the most is the influence of people like the Paul brothers and Mr.Beast on young impressionable minds.
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Post by ToyfareMark on Feb 25, 2024 23:24:50 GMT -5
I got a chuckle out of seeing Prime at Dollar Tree. That's usually where failed beverages go to die. I work in a warehouse for a national supermarket chain here, and I’ve seen the Prime life cycle go from “Can’t fill the shelves fast enough” to “Can’t even give away the stuff”. That's weird because here Prime is put out by one of the beer distributors of all things.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 25, 2024 23:39:30 GMT -5
I work in a warehouse for a national supermarket chain here, and I’ve seen the Prime life cycle go from “Can’t fill the shelves fast enough” to “Can’t even give away the stuff”. That's weird because here Prime is put out by one of the beer distributors of all things. I don’t know who distributes it in terms of the actual manufacturer, I just work for people that have the official licence to sell it. And the Mr. Beast chocolate too, for that matter.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 26, 2024 8:41:42 GMT -5
Because if you pull on that thread and cleared everyone out simultaneously, the entire wrestling industry will collapse in on itself
Heyman booked good wrestling once so everyone loves him. you see how long it took for some people to turn on Vince? You see how we're still posting in the WWE subsection?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 26, 2024 8:58:23 GMT -5
I got a chuckle out of seeing Prime at Dollar Tree. That's usually where failed beverages go to die. Dollar Tree does stock Pepsi and Coke products. Of course Pepsi is bigger than Prime so every store carries it, and Pepsi still isn't as close to as big as Coke. I work in a warehouse for a national supermarket chain here, and I’ve seen the Prime life cycle go from “Can’t fill the shelves fast enough” to “Can’t even give away the stuff”. Which is the thing to marketing to kids. Prime whole business model is using influencers to push it to their fanbases,not for the taste ,just because Influences said so. As soon as they stop chilling it,it will stop selling. At least Mr Beast candy bar was just overpriced but tasty I want to try the hydration drink to see how it is, but it's so damn overpriced. Why pay more for Prime when the bottles are smaller than Gatorade and Powerade?
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Post by joeiscool on Feb 26, 2024 9:47:03 GMT -5
I always hate saying people are bad or good based on past actions.
We all are raised with different understandings of what's right and wrong. We all learn something new almost everyday. Our perception of right and wrong evolves over time with more knowledge we gain. Also a lot of us see things in shades of gray. If you steal money from the bank to pay for your friend's cancer treatment would be looked at differently than if you stole it to fund your drug addiction.
That being said A: Logan Paul is more famous than Paul Heyman so Logan's actions are under more of a microscope in general B: Logan Paul is an outsider to wrestling, so there's always going to be people who hate that a Youtuber is in "their sport" C: Paul Heyman, "conned" people in hopes to make ecw a viable company in the industry. He was not paying people in hopes to find that next big break that would get everyone on the roster paid. Logan seems to be doing half the stuff he does for the clout..
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