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Post by darbus alan on Feb 26, 2024 14:11:50 GMT -5
23 is way past being too young to not be responsible for your own actions. Frontal lobe isn’t fully developed until 25. This whole "the brain isn't fully developed until 25!" thing has been used to excuse/justify a lot of shitty behaviors as well as infantilize young adults over the age of 18 from being seen as capable of making independent decisions. It's technically true so I wouldn't call it pseudoscience, but like a lot of other things you see on social media, it's misunderstood and not used right. Just because your brain is still maturing doesn't mean it's incapable of responsibility. Maturation is a process, not an on and off switch.
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Post by tafkaga on Feb 26, 2024 14:27:05 GMT -5
Is there anyone here who wouldn't have been horrified by Logan Paul's behavior when they were 23?
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Post by Zombie Mod on Feb 26, 2024 14:29:35 GMT -5
23 is way past being too young to not be responsible for your own actions. Frontal lobe isn’t fully developed until 25. by 23 you should know right from wrong! at 23 I wouldn't have been pointing and laughing at a dead body if I had come across one. going to a notorious suicide spot to film was done with the hope they would find something and they did. they didn't go to japan to film a travel documentary they went there to film themselves being dicks.
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Post by Perd on Feb 26, 2024 14:44:05 GMT -5
I send Heyman at least ten sternly worded letters per week. Mostly about the overpushing of Justin Credible.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 26, 2024 14:50:23 GMT -5
But to get to the point of the thread, which seems to be "Why don't people want to hold Paul Heyman as accountable for the horrible shit he's done as others" - I think it comes down to 1) Heyman is *really* good at persuasively lying and 2) the affection a certain generation have for Paul makes them want to believe him. It's almost a gaslighting where they'll believe any explanation no matter how against logic it seems to be because it's an explanation from the guy they felt a kinship to because he "lead a revolution" that they intimately connected with.
Plus, the people whose lives Heyman really f***ed with the worst - Douglas, Sytch - are seen as, at best, stigmatized people that the average smark would not be thrilled with sympathizing with.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 26, 2024 15:38:29 GMT -5
I heard the frontal lobe excuse for a teenage girl who, with her boyfriend, murdered her entire family so they could run off together. Like at 26 she would be like, "wait...maybe I shouldn't have murdered my entire family to run off with my boyfriend!"
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Feb 26, 2024 17:03:14 GMT -5
You start to grasp right-from-wrong when you're about three years old. The front-lobe-development excuse is just bullshit because you want to be an asshole.
Like Logan Paul
Or Paul Heyman.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 26, 2024 17:54:19 GMT -5
Because Heyman eventually stopepd doing that and became a better person and has even helped other people's carreers, whereas Paul is still actively scamming his fans, endangering their health and generally being a scumbag, and only keeps getting worse. Heyman has also earned his spot in the wrestling business, whereas Paul's is yet another example of that entitled little shit getting fast-tracked through everything and stepping voer far more deserving people in the process.
Also, you may have noticed that Heyman never filmed himself committing animal cruelty, or shown a recently dead suicide victim and monetized it as part of his fun racist tour of Japan. Like, how the f*** that didn't immediately kill his career while people get cancelled for decade-old mild jokes is beyond me.
F*** Logan Paul. I don't understand why anyone would waste their energy defending him.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 27, 2024 3:14:42 GMT -5
If we are really playing the 'whose bucket has more piss in it' game (and for reference I loathe the Pauls) how about we throw Mass Transit into the mix
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 27, 2024 7:23:29 GMT -5
IMO Logan Paul whole Japan trip and videos and the crypto scams are worse than every Paul Heyman controversy from 30 years ago They can both GTFO of TV How many ECW talents developed massive drug problems in ECW because of what Heyman expected them to do to their bodies to get his promotion over? How many unprotected weapon shots were taken, wrestlers dropped on their head and necks to get people chanting ECW? Say what you will about Logan Paul, he never did anything like sending out an untrained kid without proper vetting to get stabbed by New Jack, hell, keeping New Jack employed at all was reprehensible in and of itself given how much of a threat he was to his peers.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 27, 2024 8:33:38 GMT -5
IMO Logan Paul whole Japan trip and videos and the crypto scams are worse than every Paul Heyman controversy from 30 years ago They can both GTFO of TV How many ECW talents developed massive drug problems in ECW because of what Heyman expected them to do to their bodies to get his promotion over? How many unprotected weapon shots were taken, wrestlers dropped on their head and necks to get people chanting ECW? Say what you will about Logan Paul, he never did anything like sending out an untrained kid without proper vetting to get stabbed by New Jack, hell, keeping New Jack employed at all was reprehensible in and of itself given how much of a threat he was to his peers. Now, in fairness, give it a few years and I think the Pauls are going to be directly responsible for many, many damaged children becoming deeply disturbed adults. But as of right now, yeah, Heyman has a lot of blood on his hands.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 27, 2024 8:54:31 GMT -5
23 is way past being too young to not be responsible for your own actions. Frontal lobe isn’t fully developed until 25. I developed a frontal lobe easily after three months at the gym. I wrote my masters thesis on it.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 27, 2024 9:10:30 GMT -5
I've never known anyone who was a jerk before their frontal lobe developed who wasn't also a jerk after their frontal lobe developed.
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Post by willywonka666 on Feb 27, 2024 9:58:15 GMT -5
Heyman conned people while struggling to keep a promotion alive. He was try to build something that had some benefits to the world. I liked ECW, but I don't think entertaining the masses while wrestlers put their own bodies through hell truly benefited the world. they did it of their own will, but still.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 27, 2024 10:01:18 GMT -5
Heyman conned people while struggling to keep a promotion alive. He was try to build something that had some benefits to the world. I liked ECW, but I don't think entertaining the masses while wrestlers put their own bodies through hell truly benefited the world. they did it of their own will, but still. Heyman did it to make himself money. All the stuff he pulled puts him into evil promoter territory. It gave us a fun product to watch but Paul was his worst enemy.
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 27, 2024 12:27:02 GMT -5
Nice of Heyman to justify this thread's existence by making punchlines about a recently deceased person over on his Twitter.
Wait, did I say nice? I meant the same level of sociopathy he's had since the 90s.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 27, 2024 12:29:38 GMT -5
I've never known anyone who was a jerk before their frontal lobe developed who wasn't also a jerk after their frontal lobe developed. I don’t know any of these people personally but Randy and Seth were dickheads in their 20s and chilled out after
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 27, 2024 12:30:46 GMT -5
Nice of Heyman to justify this thread's existence by making punchlines about a recently deceased person over on his Twitter. Wait, did I say nice? I meant the same level of sociopathy he's had since the 90s. Yoo what? Lol
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 27, 2024 12:44:50 GMT -5
I've never known anyone who was a jerk before their frontal lobe developed who wasn't also a jerk after their frontal lobe developed. I don’t know any of these people personally but Randy and Seth were dickheads in their 20s and chilled out after Seth was a dick in his 30's too. Fatherhood and a stable relationship helped mellow him out, not an arbitrary prefrontal cortex growth. Now we're getting into pseudoscience.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 27, 2024 12:50:06 GMT -5
Nice of Heyman to justify this thread's existence by making punchlines about a recently deceased person over on his Twitter. Wait, did I say nice? I meant the same level of sociopathy he's had since the 90s. Yoo what? Lol Can't really get into it since the death is politics related. It's out there though.
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