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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 27, 2024 20:56:12 GMT -5
*looks up tweet*
I don't know what I expected...
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Post by Error on Feb 27, 2024 21:36:32 GMT -5
RE Heyman: Yes he likes to court controversy but the situation also has a profoundly different meaning to him given his heritage and families' suffering. No, it was not in good taste but without having been through what he has, hearing the stories about what his father and especially his mother went through, and seeing the horrors he has, I think there at least needs to be some pause on how this is viewed.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 27, 2024 21:56:02 GMT -5
Just, how do you not know better? Paul Heyman is clearly very smart. I can’t imagine him thinking that this was a good idea. But here we are. Shouldn’t the situation he’s referencing, tell you just how sensitive this subject is? It should take less than a second to think better. Paul Heyman is very smart, and unfortunately sometimes people who are very smart are great at telling themselves why it's okay to do something very very stupid.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 27, 2024 22:24:28 GMT -5
RE Heyman: Yes he likes to court controversy but the situation also has a profoundly different meaning to him given his heritage and families' suffering. No, it was not in good taste but without having been through what he has, hearing the stories about what his father and especially his mother went through, and seeing the horrors he has, I think there at least needs to be some pause on how this is viewed. He could have also not said anything It's super, duper easy, to just not say anything that could be horrifically misconstrued and land you in a shit ton of bad PR And there's no way this is a post that doesn't land you in a heap of shit, even if it's personal, that doesn't always equate to a public viewpoint and standing Putting it frankly, the dude should have known better to try and turn this into cheap heat, because it's not going the way he probably thought it would, because this is a very tense, and volatile situation that shouldn't be discussed in jest like this, if Heyman wants the same type of respect back especially.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 27, 2024 22:25:31 GMT -5
As someone who lives under a rock I did a lot of googling today. And said "holy f***..." a lot.
What a stupid, insensitive, dick thing to say.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Feb 27, 2024 22:30:19 GMT -5
RE Heyman: Yes he likes to court controversy but the situation also has a profoundly different meaning to him given his heritage and families' suffering. No, it was not in good taste but without having been through what he has, hearing the stories about what his father and especially his mother went through, and seeing the horrors he has, I think there at least needs to be some pause on how this is viewed. The problem is that Paul has spent decades in a business built off lying to the audience, so it's really, really difficult to take him serious at pretty much anything.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Feb 27, 2024 22:35:47 GMT -5
Paul Heyman never laughed at a dead body. Well, my post aged well.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 27, 2024 22:43:48 GMT -5
RE Heyman: Yes he likes to court controversy but the situation also has a profoundly different meaning to him given his heritage and families' suffering. No, it was not in good taste but without having been through what he has, hearing the stories about what his father and especially his mother went through, and seeing the horrors he has, I think there at least needs to be some pause on how this is viewed. He could have also not said anything It's super, duper easy, to just not say anything that could be horrifically misconstrued and land you in a shit ton of bad PR . Imo, with Paul's heritage and what's been going on it's not so easy. Let's just say I know from experience. Granted this goes way beyond the wrestling bubble to stuff we really shouldn't be talking about. Was it tonedeaf? 100 percent. But I think Ed's point has a lot of merit for reasons we are better of not getting into.
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Post by Error on Feb 27, 2024 22:44:46 GMT -5
RE Heyman: Yes he likes to court controversy but the situation also has a profoundly different meaning to him given his heritage and families' suffering. No, it was not in good taste but without having been through what he has, hearing the stories about what his father and especially his mother went through, and seeing the horrors he has, I think there at least needs to be some pause on how this is viewed. He could have also not said anything It's super, duper easy, to just not say anything that could be horrifically misconstrued and land you in a shit ton of bad PR And there's no way this is a post that doesn't land you in a heap of shit, even if it's personal, that doesn't always equate to a public viewpoint and standing Putting it frankly, the dude should have known better to try and turn this into cheap heat, because it's not going the way he probably thought it would, because this is a very tense, and volatile situation that shouldn't be discussed in jest like this, if Heyman wants the same type of respect back especially. Not disagreeing at all. It was a completely stupid thing to post and doesn't help any cause he was trying to advance. I'm just pointing out for a man that has heard the horror stories of the Holocaust from his mother who was the only survivor in her family, saw his family deal with anti-Semitism as a child, deals with it as an adult to this day, and sees that movement growing this situation his very different to him than your average person, let alone message board denizen like us. It shouldn't have gone out on Twitter, been used for promotion, or anything like this. I'm just not going to go to the extremes on this and think it deserves more thoughtful discussion than we're going to get on here.
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Post by SneakMan on Feb 27, 2024 22:48:28 GMT -5
RE Heyman: Yes he likes to court controversy but the situation also has a profoundly different meaning to him given his heritage and families' suffering. No, it was not in good taste but without having been through what he has, hearing the stories about what his father and especially his mother went through, and seeing the horrors he has, I think there at least needs to be some pause on how this is viewed. I can’t really go into detail without breaking at least one board rule, but I’m Jewish, same as Heyman. And while I haven't been through the horror that his family has been through I do know that dehumanizing the “opposing side” (and I use that term loosely) only leads to more suffering for everyone.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 27, 2024 23:06:55 GMT -5
RE Heyman: Yes he likes to court controversy but the situation also has a profoundly different meaning to him given his heritage and families' suffering. No, it was not in good taste but without having been through what he has, hearing the stories about what his father and especially his mother went through, and seeing the horrors he has, I think there at least needs to be some pause on how this is viewed. I feel like "this is very serious to him" kind of falls apart as a point to be made when he's trivializing the very serious thing to plug a wrestling storyline. He didn't treat this like a sore spot where he got testy and said something from the chest that rubbed people the wrong way but was very raw emotion. He trivialized a human death and specifically made a joke of it to talk up himself managing Roman Reigns. That tweet isn't the product of generational trauma and the hurt that he carries with him, it was a reprehensible way for him to subtly co-sign a hateful post. I don't think we even need to dance around board rules to say that this is f***ing horrific, specifically because of the words he used and the disconnect from what he's responding to. This is a joke to him.
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Post by Fade on Feb 27, 2024 23:20:38 GMT -5
f***ing Oof
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Post by khali on Feb 27, 2024 23:25:52 GMT -5
RE Heyman: Yes he likes to court controversy but the situation also has a profoundly different meaning to him given his heritage and families' suffering. No, it was not in good taste but without having been through what he has, hearing the stories about what his father and especially his mother went through, and seeing the horrors he has, I think there at least needs to be some pause on how this is viewed. If he reacted in a way that demonstrated it was very serious to him, maybe I’d cut him some slack. But it wasn’t some serious thoughtful post. It was a shitpost using someone’s manner of death as a punchline. Maybe Heyman has very serious thoughts about what this man did and the issue in general. But that’s not what he did here.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 27, 2024 23:28:43 GMT -5
RE Heyman: Yes he likes to court controversy but the situation also has a profoundly different meaning to him given his heritage and families' suffering. No, it was not in good taste but without having been through what he has, hearing the stories about what his father and especially his mother went through, and seeing the horrors he has, I think there at least needs to be some pause on how this is viewed. If he reacted in a way that demonstrated it was very serious to him, maybe I’d cut him some slack. But it wasn’t some serious thoughtful post. It was a shitpost using someone’s manner of death as a punchline. Maybe Heyman has very serious thoughts about what this man did and the issue in general. But that’s not what he did here. I don't disagree at all. But as a Jew myself, all I can say is that emotions in this whole thing outside the wrestling bubble often cause us to say things that are a reflection of them.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 27, 2024 23:29:56 GMT -5
He could have also not said anything It's super, duper easy, to just not say anything that could be horrifically misconstrued and land you in a shit ton of bad PR . Imo, with Paul's heritage and what's been going on it's not so easy. Let's just say I know from experience. Granted this goes way beyond the wrestling bubble to stuff we really shouldn't be talking about. Was it tonedeaf? 100 percent. But I think Ed's point has a lot of merit for reasons we are better of not getting into. If he reacted in a serious way, it wouldn't be talked about Reacting in a cheap heat way on social media to a very serious situation and tying it into your wrestling storyline isn't it, and I'm not discrediting his suffering, or his parents suffering, any of that or his pain, but that is not the way to express your anger and pain in a productive manner and he's catching a lot of shit for it already for that reason.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 27, 2024 23:34:40 GMT -5
Imo, with Paul's heritage and what's been going on it's not so easy. Let's just say I know from experience. Granted this goes way beyond the wrestling bubble to stuff we really shouldn't be talking about. Was it tonedeaf? 100 percent. But I think Ed's point has a lot of merit for reasons we are better of not getting into. If he reacted in a serious way, it wouldn't be talked about Reacting in a cheap heat way on social media to a very serious situation and tying it into your wrestling storyline isn't it, and I'm not discrediting his suffering, or his parents suffering, any of that or his pain, but that is not the way to express your anger and pain in a productive manner and he's catching a lot of shit for it already for that reason. See my post above. Again I don't disagree.
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Post by khali on Feb 27, 2024 23:34:41 GMT -5
Like look, I know this can be a serious and nuanced issue for a lot of people, especially depending on your heritage. But there is no universe in which there’s a good reason to say “well my emotions are high on this issue so I’m going to use a major event to PROMOTE ROMAN REIGNS AND THE BLOODLINE.” If Heyman or anybody else feels they need to speak emotionally about it, I get it. Go ahead. But don’t f***ing plug the Bloodline in a joke about it.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 28, 2024 0:38:04 GMT -5
RE Heyman: Yes he likes to court controversy but the situation also has a profoundly different meaning to him given his heritage and families' suffering. No, it was not in good taste but without having been through what he has, hearing the stories about what his father and especially his mother went through, and seeing the horrors he has, I think there at least needs to be some pause on how this is viewed. I can’t really go into detail without breaking at least one board rule, but I’m Jewish, same as Heyman. And while I haven't been through the horror that his family has been through I do know that dehumanizing the “opposing side” (and I use that term loosely) only leads to more suffering for everyone. Yeah, I'm of Jewish heritage, too. I also lost several family members to the Holocaust. And what Heyman did sits real uncomfortably with me. Like it'd be one thing if he took a serious tone to address how he feels about current events, or if it was a situation like MJF where he tried to do an angle about antisemitism only for its intention to get lost in all the noise. But this was cheap heat to poke fun at something horrific. I wouldn't even call it gallows humor because there wasn't anything funny about it. Just shameless self-promotion tying it to an unrelated angle.
And that's all I'm going to say about that.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 28, 2024 1:41:06 GMT -5
I really don't feel comfortable speaking about the subject itself but as a possible consequence, imagine if this is enough to get him pulled from TV and his last ever appearance is him trying to get 2 iPhones to kiss each other. These TKO big wigs must be wondering what the hell kind of business they've gotten into. I’m waiting for Dana white to get his. Just because Joe Rogan’s meltdown will be popcorn worthy.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 28, 2024 3:39:50 GMT -5
Always fun waking up and trying to piece together the latest drama.
Did Heyman finally delete the tweet or has Elon broke how they display again?
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