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Post by sungod2020 on Feb 28, 2024 19:08:00 GMT -5
After playing an evil clown for the majority of his run, he turned face in September 1993. He was set to feud with Bam Bam Bigelow and even started it by pouring water on Luna's head. Then he got released.
The feud then continued, except Borne was replaced by Steve Lombardi before settling on Ray Apollo. He then became a happy go lucky clown playing light-hearted pranks on fellow wrestlers. He also got a midget side kick named Dink.
My question is if Borne stayed, what would be the trajectory of the Doink character? Would he be messing with heels, except as an evil clown(moreso an anti-hero), or would he play the same type of character we got?
I know alot of fans say the Doink character was watered down by turning face, but I think it was moreso switching the performers that doomed the character.
Thoughts?
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 2, 2024 6:11:18 GMT -5
I don't know how far Doink could have gone if it were the case, but I definitely think he should have remained a heel, and yes ideally with Matt Borne still in the role.
I'd have kept him heel, with a good midcard presence. Have him get darker, more disturbed, and more vicious as time goes on. It's hard to think of meaningful feuds he could have had, though. Bret would be a good one, but he was feuding with Lawler, and later Owen.
Maybe turn Michaels face and have Doink attack him.
Going into 1996 there could be interesting scenarios between Doink, Goldust and Mankind.
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Post by XIII on Mar 2, 2024 6:51:38 GMT -5
Doink was always going to have a short shelf life even if Borne was clean and stayed in the role. It’s a wrestling clown.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 2, 2024 8:36:31 GMT -5
Borne's personal demons would have gotten the best of him, a drugged up and surly Doink wouldn't take abuse from the kliq for long and he'd have ended up being starved out like PCO and others were.
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 2, 2024 10:28:55 GMT -5
I think Doink would have worked better if they started him as a babyface JTTS in the tradition of a Koko B. Ware, and then gradually have him start going darker and darker and having more success as he becomes more vicious. He could have had a longer run that way, just because a good heel can do the job without losing his heat, whereas babyface Doink was just a jobber who played lame pranks.
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Post by karl100589 on Mar 2, 2024 12:32:18 GMT -5
Doink was always going to have a short shelf life even if Borne was clean and stayed in the role. It’s a wrestling clown. What if they started downplaying the "clown" elements of the design further on. Keep the face paint, but make it more like Nicholson's Joker. |
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Post by Urn Anderson on Mar 2, 2024 15:45:22 GMT -5
I can see an even more unhinged Doink having a big feud with a babyface Undertaker in a Batman/Joker dynamic before ending the character.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Mar 2, 2024 18:10:15 GMT -5
Doink was always going to have a short shelf life even if Borne was clean and stayed in the role. It’s a wrestling clown. What if they started downplaying the "clown" elements of the design further on. Keep the face paint, but make it more like Nicholson's Joker. That is the best idea but I’m not even trying to bash WWE’s creative, but they have always lacked subtlety when it comes to gimmicks. The Undertaker wasn’t just a mortician from the West he was literally dead, the guys who had occupational gimmicks like Duke the Dumpster couldn’t have been guys who were at one point working men, they were literally garbage men. Always been a major nitpick of mine with them. |
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Post by Hernan on Mar 3, 2024 0:06:06 GMT -5
I know before passing away, he was doing the Doink gimmick but with elements of Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight called Reborne Again. Sounds interesting on paper. Unfortunately, I cannot comment beyond that as I haven't seen footage of that gimmick tweak.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Mar 3, 2024 20:39:50 GMT -5
Well remember that Doink's original gimmick wasn't just "clown". He was a guy who was already a really talented wrestler with an unspecified grudge against the whole business who was dressing up as a clown to play mind games. In Doink's earlier matches Bobby Heenan would even repeatedly say how 'Doink reminds me of someone, I almost recognize the body language, I just can't put my finger on it.'
But the gimmick slowly turned from a mystery man doing clown stuff to mess with his opponents to a straight up evil prankster clown to a good prankster clown who pandered to kids and pranked heels.
Doink should've been deep in the Intercontinental scene. When Jerry Lawler hired Doink to be an evil ring technician as a counterpoint to Bret Hart's good ring technician, he did not look out of place at all and went hold for hold with the Hitman. Intercontinental Title run ends with losing the title to an up and coming babyface, Doink ends up putting the mask and facepaint on the line to get the belt back and loses, starts his Borne Again gimmick in WWE. I think he could've been a solid upper midcard/jobber to the superstars heel with a shelf life of a few years at least.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Mar 3, 2024 21:10:40 GMT -5
I know before passing away, he was doing the Doink gimmick but with elements of Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight called Reborne Again. Sounds interesting on paper. Unfortunately, I cannot comment beyond that as I haven't seen footage of that gimmick tweak. The only footage I saw was him wearing the make up but the rest of his attire was a black under armour shirt (with logo) and black pants. Honestly seemed closer to the recent Joker movie than it did Dark Knight but predated it by several years. |
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