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Post by BRV on Sept 27, 2024 14:28:35 GMT -5
OK is Joe Flacco a HOF QB? He won a superbowl and it's mvp and his run to the superbowl is legendary. But you wouldn't put him in because 1 postseason push doesn't negate all the other negatives. Same goes for Eli The accurate comparison would be Jim Plunkett with two rings, not Flacco. But if you look at playoff records, it's not all that crazy: Drew Brees 9-9 (HOF) Kurt Warner 9-4 (HOF) Jim Kelly 9-8 (HOF) Jim Plunkett 8-2 Eli Manning 8-4Dan Marino 8-10 (HOF) Bob Griese 7-5 (HOF) Fran Tarkenton 6-5 (HOF) Philip Rivers 5-7 Warren Moon 3-7 (HOF) Dan Fouts 3-4 (HOF) Those eight wins came in the 2007 and 2011 Super Bowl runs. Meaning in his 16-year NFL career, he never won a playoff game outside of those two years. It was four one-and-dones. I just don't see how someone becomes Hall of Fame worthy because they played out of their ass for two playoff runs and did squat the other 14 years of their career. If he didn't play in New York and didn't have the Manning Media Machine pumping him up at every turn, he wouldn't even be under consideration for Canton. |
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Post by sfvega on Sept 27, 2024 14:32:15 GMT -5
The accurate comparison would be Jim Plunkett with two rings, not Flacco. But if you look at playoff records, it's not all that crazy: Drew Brees 9-9 (HOF) Kurt Warner 9-4 (HOF) Jim Kelly 9-8 (HOF) Jim Plunkett 8-2 Eli Manning 8-4Dan Marino 8-10 (HOF) Bob Griese 7-5 (HOF) Fran Tarkenton 6-5 (HOF) Philip Rivers 5-7 Warren Moon 3-7 (HOF) Dan Fouts 3-4 (HOF) Those eight wins came in the 2007 and 2011 Super Bowl runs. Meaning in his 16-year NFL career, he never won a playoff game outside of those two years. It was four one-and-dones. So wait, would you rather have Marino's career of winning in the playoffs many different years but never breaking through? |
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Post by BRV on Sept 27, 2024 14:37:38 GMT -5
Those eight wins came in the 2007 and 2011 Super Bowl runs. Meaning in his 16-year NFL career, he never won a playoff game outside of those two years. It was four one-and-dones. So wait, would you rather have Marino's career of winning in the playoffs many different years but never breaking through? Would I rather have rings or stats personally? Rings all day. I'd rather have Robert Horry's career than Karl Malone's, too. But the question is Hall of Fame worthiness over an NFL career, and in that regard, Eli Manning isn't in Dan Marino's zip code. |
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Post by sfvega on Sept 27, 2024 14:48:11 GMT -5
So wait, would you rather have Marino's career of winning in the playoffs many different years but never breaking through? Would I rather have rings or stats personally? Rings all day. I'd rather have Robert Horry's career than Karl Malone's, too. But the question is Hall of Fame worthiness over an NFL career, and in that regard, Eli Manning isn't in Dan Marino's zip code. I never said he was a better QB than Marino. I still think Marino is a top 3 QB ever. Eli isn't close to that. But why does it matter in what time frame his wins came in? Who honestly gives a shit? Why are we putting fence posts around his greatest accomplishments? You didn't seem to have any such problem setting those fence posts around putting Manny Ramirez in the Hall despite steroid use.  He brought up Eli's playoff record, I asked about Marino's playoff record and you changed the argument. Horry and Malone isn't a good faith comparison. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 27, 2024 15:53:55 GMT -5
I just realized that Jalen Hurts is trying his hardest to look just like Grant Hill.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 27, 2024 15:56:34 GMT -5
OK is Joe Flacco a HOF QB? He won a superbowl and it's mvp and his run to the superbowl is legendary. But you wouldn't put him in because 1 postseason push doesn't negate all the other negatives. Same goes for Eli The accurate comparison would be Jim Plunkett with two rings, not Flacco. But if you look at playoff records, it's not all that crazy: Drew Brees 9-9 (HOF) Kurt Warner 9-4 (HOF) Jim Kelly 9-8 (HOF) Jim Plunkett 8-2 Eli Manning 8-4 Dan Marino 8-10 (HOF) Bob Griese 7-5 (HOF) Fran Tarkenton 6-5 (HOF) Philip Rivers 5-7 Warren Moon 3-7 (HOF) Dan Fouts 3-4 (HOF) Also one ring is not 2 Anyone can have a hot streak and win a ring which has happened or be carried to one. It matters who he beat as well |
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Post by sfvega on Sept 27, 2024 16:58:02 GMT -5
The accurate comparison would be Jim Plunkett with two rings, not Flacco. But if you look at playoff records, it's not all that crazy: Drew Brees 9-9 (HOF) Kurt Warner 9-4 (HOF) Jim Kelly 9-8 (HOF) Jim Plunkett 8-2 Eli Manning 8-4 Dan Marino 8-10 (HOF) Bob Griese 7-5 (HOF) Fran Tarkenton 6-5 (HOF) Philip Rivers 5-7 Warren Moon 3-7 (HOF) Dan Fouts 3-4 (HOF) Also one ring is not 2 Anyone can have a hot streak and win a ring which has happened or be carried to one. It matters who he beat as well Yeah. Ultimately, Eli is a fringe HOFer who will get in because of winning those two rings over Tom Brady while playing in the biggest media market in the world. But I do feel like Eli's criticisms have been largely overstated due to b3ing Peyton's brother. He got derided on draft day despite being a great arm talent playing on a below-average team in a great conference, seemingly just because of who his brother was. |
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Sept 27, 2024 17:28:46 GMT -5
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Sept 27, 2024 17:36:52 GMT -5
Watson to Toney is the most cursed devil satan connection ever. Holy shit lmao. |
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Sept 27, 2024 17:37:10 GMT -5
Watson to Toney is the most cursed devil satan connection ever. Holy shit lmao. The most perfect team + player combination ever. |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Sept 27, 2024 17:38:36 GMT -5
Watson to Toney is the most cursed devil satan connection ever. Holy shit lmao. The most perfect team + player combination ever. they just barely squeak by the raiders and they ask how they feel about it Watson: "yeah we got a win today, sent the rest of the league a massage" Toney: "bogos binted, EEP EORP" |
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Sept 27, 2024 17:39:29 GMT -5
The most perfect team + player combination ever. they just barely squeak by the raiders and they ask how they feel about it Watson: "yeah we got a win today, sent the rest of the league a massage" Toney: "bogos binted, EEP EORP" This guy has 2 rings. Unbelievable. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 27, 2024 17:44:26 GMT -5
Also one ring is not 2 Anyone can have a hot streak and win a ring which has happened or be carried to one. It matters who he beat as well Yeah. Ultimately, Eli is a fringe HOFer who will get in because of winning those two rings over Tom Brady while playing in the biggest media market in the world. But I do feel like Eli's criticisms have been largely overstated due to b3ing Peyton's brother. He got derided on draft day despite being a great arm talent playing on a below-average team in a great conference, seemingly just because of who his brother was. If Eli does not have the rings he is a very fringe HOF who probably just has to settle for having his jersey retired by Giants. His criticism has def been overstated in spots tho. When you take his career overall into totality, he stands with and above other HOF players. When Eli got his chance, he made it count and that is all you can ask for |
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Post by sfvega on Sept 27, 2024 17:50:36 GMT -5
Yeah. Ultimately, Eli is a fringe HOFer who will get in because of winning those two rings over Tom Brady while playing in the biggest media market in the world. But I do feel like Eli's criticisms have been largely overstated due to b3ing Peyton's brother. He got derided on draft day despite being a great arm talent playing on a below-average team in a great conference, seemingly just because of who his brother was. If Eli does not have the rings he is a very fringe HOF who probably just has to settle for having his jersey retired by Giants. His criticism has def been overstated in spots tho. When you take his career overall into totality, he stands with and above other HOF players. When Eli got his chance, he made it count and that is all you can ask for I think if I were to make an NBA comparison, it would be Joe Dumars. A couple rings, pretty clutch, gave the GOAT the business, but wasn't a truly elite player. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 27, 2024 21:23:07 GMT -5
It's very frustrating being a Sixers fan right now, I hope this backfires mightily.
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Post by sfvega on Sept 27, 2024 22:18:39 GMT -5
It's very frustrating being a Sixers fan right now, I hope this backfires mightily. I can't even tell you this is the wrong thread for that because my last post in here was about Joe Dumars. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 27, 2024 22:30:48 GMT -5
It's very frustrating being a Sixers fan right now, I hope this backfires mightily. I can't even tell you this is the wrong thread for that because my last post in here was about Joe Dumars. That's how frustrating it is  |
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Post by Spiderf 4 on Sept 28, 2024 8:28:25 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 28, 2024 12:13:05 GMT -5
Compare that to Anthony Richardson’s responses about similiar issues. Richardson has had some notable accuracy issues but just as many of his incompletions were due to concentration drops, receivers reading the defense differently than him, and a couple of routes given up on by the rookie Mitchell. Still, Richardson claims all of the issues are byproducts of his issues and asserts that when he takes care of his own business the other errors will cease. |
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Post by Talent Name on Sept 28, 2024 16:44:53 GMT -5
Groper Cleveland earlier said its not his job to run either and that's why they don't do many qb run plays
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