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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 15, 2024 23:44:02 GMT -5
Vince McMahon was never just magicallty the man who made WWE the great thing it was. He had a hand in it, sure, but so did the wrestlers people loved or hated, hordes of behind the scene peopel including writers and agents, and a fleet of people on the production end who made it happen. Sole responsibility is not Vince's, and the companty lives on in his absence because he was only one part. A part that had grown toxic and harmful to that magic even setting aside his crimes. To give him credit is to let him act as though he created all of it, that you owe all of it to him, that without him nobody else could have been a star and what we saw could never have happened, and that just isn't true. He's a control freak rapist who wants credit for decades of an industry that was never a solo endeavor because even during his golden years, he had minds around him whse wisdom helped the company do what it did. The memories you cherish were always the result of the effort of many people who made it all happen.
WWE is a billion dollar corporation. It is no more a name and a property now than it was six years ago making borderline unwatchable television to fulfill contractual obligations to produce shows. Don't mourn the loss of what was because the guy who signs the cheques has a different name. Frankly, few things have ever been overseen with such control by one person for as long as WWE is; it's an anomaly, but it's healthier for the company and the business if new visions come in and new people get to make decisions, instead of forever having to chase the fickle and gradually deteriorating vision of a melting rapist whose mental function was clearly on the decline. Wrestling is still wrestling, and WWE can still be what people like(d) it for.
Star Wars isn't lacklustre now because Disney bought it, it's because George Lucas made Star Wars by taking old adventure serials and samurai movies he liked and making a space movie about them, and the people who make Star Wars now only really think "I want to make more Star Wars".
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Post by Carefree Beach Life Gritizen on Mar 15, 2024 23:44:24 GMT -5
You should try watching LVL Up. It's got rest holds and sidewalk slams winning matches like the way wrestling was meant to be.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 15, 2024 23:44:26 GMT -5
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Post by jabroni on Mar 15, 2024 23:46:38 GMT -5
Love Big Show.
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Post by jabroni on Mar 15, 2024 23:48:09 GMT -5
You should try watching LVL Up. It's got rest holds and sidewalk slams winning matches like the way wrestling was meant to be. What's this?
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Mar 15, 2024 23:50:46 GMT -5
When I started watching WWE and WCW were deep into the Evil Dentists, Clowns, Dungeon of Doom type of characters and mainly on Saturday Mornings. I'm glad it changed over the years
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Mar 15, 2024 23:53:18 GMT -5
You should try watching LVL Up. It's got rest holds and sidewalk slams winning matches like the way wrestling was meant to be. What's this? you know that part in the original Willy Wonka where they open the door and he sings to them, remarking on their imagination? now forget that part and think of the part where Charlie and his bum grandfather are flying up to the ceiling awaiting a sure death by the fan blades.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 16, 2024 1:32:48 GMT -5
Vince McMahon was never just magicallty the man who made WWE the great thing it was. He had a hand in it, sure, but so did the wrestlers people loved or hated, hordes of behind the scene peopel including writers and agents, and a fleet of people on the production end who made it happen. Sole responsibility is not Vince's, and the companty lives on in his absence because he was only one part. A part that had grown toxic and harmful to that magic even setting aside his crimes. To give him credit is to let him act as though he created all of it, that you owe all of it to him, that without him nobody else could have been a star and what we saw could never have happened, and that just isn't true. He's a control freak rapist who wants credit for decades of an industry that was never a solo endeavor because even during his golden years, he had minds around him whse wisdom helped the company do what it did. The memories you cherish were always the result of the effort of many people who made it all happen. WWE is a billion dollar corporation. It is no more a name and a property now than it was six years ago making borderline unwatchable television to fulfill contractual obligations to produce shows. Don't mourn the loss of what was because the guy who signs the cheques has a different name. Frankly, few things have ever been overseen with such control by one person for as long as WWE is; it's an anomaly, but it's healthier for the company and the business if new visions come in and new people get to make decisions, instead of forever having to chase the fickle and gradually deteriorating vision of a melting rapist whose mental function was clearly on the decline. Wrestling is still wrestling, and WWE can still be what people like(d) it for. Star Wars isn't lacklustre now because Disney bought it, it's because George Lucas made Star Wars by taking old adventure serials and samurai movies he liked and making a space movie about them, and the people who make Star Wars now only really think "I want to make more Star Wars". Also like there are so many people here of varying ages... the WWE "I grew up with" has been dead for like 30 years. On Star Wars front it also acts like there's no good Star Wars anymore which is not really true? Or that everything pre-Disney buy out was good... which holy crap is that fundamentally false.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 16, 2024 1:45:59 GMT -5
You know a thread is gonna be an all timer when you're already smirking like The Grinch at the f***ing title lmfao
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Mar 16, 2024 1:53:40 GMT -5
My childhood of wrestling was the early 90’s. I knew for a long time that the days of evil clowns, voodoo curses, Elvis impersonators, and reenacting World War II by attempting to bodyslam a sumo wrestler are not coming back.
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Post by government mule on Mar 16, 2024 1:56:39 GMT -5
To this day, I still wonder how am 80+ year old woman can give birth to a giant hand. I mean, surely medically, that isn't even possible, is it?
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Mar 16, 2024 2:05:04 GMT -5
To this day, I still wonder how am 80+ year old woman can give birth to a giant hand. I mean, surely medically, that isn't even possible, is it? where god has abandoned, chaos and anarchy reign supreme. a grandmother giving birth to a hand is number one in the book of chaos.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 16, 2024 2:09:52 GMT -5
My advice is to not be loyal to any product, cause they sure as hell aren’t loyal to you.
Also your fandom should never be an aspect of your personality. If you’re getting hurt over things like a product changing, or someone criticizing it, that’s the point you need to step back and seriously ask yourself if this is healthy. It should be an escape, not an emotional crutch.
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Post by government mule on Mar 16, 2024 2:19:12 GMT -5
To this day, I still wonder how am 80+ year old woman can give birth to a giant hand. I mean, surely medically, that isn't even possible, is it? where god has abandoned, chaos and anarchy reign supreme. a grandmother giving birth to a hand is number one in the book of chaos. BRB, just going to my underground bunker for another 25 years
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Post by Doo Doo is Worse Than WCW 2000 on Mar 16, 2024 2:27:04 GMT -5
The 2016 Alexa Bliss, Eugene, and humiliated Jim Ross you grew up with are gone.
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Post by msc on Mar 16, 2024 2:34:12 GMT -5
When I got into wrestling, The Rock had weekly 20 minute promos, the titles were dominated by heels, there was a competitive second company, women's wrestling had lots of creepy stans and not enough respect, spotfests dominated the TV, audience favourites had a habit of not getting pushed, Edge and Christian were putting on classics, and the biggest draw at the time kept not winning the WWF title because delaying the result would apparently make it better.
Truly a different time and place nowadays.
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Post by eJm on Mar 16, 2024 2:45:37 GMT -5
See, I started watching WWE in 2001, right when WWF brought WCW and the InVasion kicked off and in hindsight (since I knew the InVasion was bad), there were so many times I should have dropped off. The attempts at bringing back the Attitude Era in the start of the 00s, HHH’s reign of terror, the rise and rapid fall of the Smackdown 6, them not knowing who John Cena was as a character on a weekly basis, the f***ing DX reunions, the guest host era etc etc. And yeah, there was good stuff, stuff that kept me around but the more I think back, I don’t have any “nostalgia” for that. It was something I watched because I liked wrestling, The Wrestling Channel (Happy 20th, by the way!) exposed me to things but I’d catch it at the wrong times to get more and most indies I’d get bits and pieces of (I still have my CHIKARA DVD they sent out for free which was my first exposure to people like Kota Ibushi).
And as mentioned, WWE was a successful company for a long long time, most of the half assing of the last few years was because they made money anyway so who cares? It’s a mentality a lot of companies go through before finding out risks aren’t that bad. They made a billion dollars profit around the same time Vince was booking terrible, bad shit. His only “crime” (outside of his actual, real life crimes) was holding back the company from making MORE money hence what’s going on now with sponsors and bigger TV deals and whatever.
I’m glad to have moved on, really. And just to add, I have no judgment if you do have nostalgia for stuff. Some of you watched at times I wasn’t watching or we didn’t have Sky Sports to properly watch WWF shows (They used to show The Wrestling Challenge which somehow became my favourite show as a kid? And then Vince decided to fight an agreement with a charity they signed and they replaced it with WCW Main Event which was also cool) but to me, it’s more a thing I can accept wasn’t ever really for me. It was just the only thing I had access to for decades.
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Post by schma on Mar 16, 2024 3:32:59 GMT -5
This gimmick is certainly a choice. I'm curious, is it meant more as a troll or just taking the piss?
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Post by thechase on Mar 16, 2024 3:56:25 GMT -5
"When you are with me, I'm free...I'm careless, I believe..."
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 16, 2024 5:52:08 GMT -5
Vince McMahon was never just magicallty the man who made WWE the great thing it was. He had a hand in it, sure, but so did the wrestlers people loved or hated, hordes of behind the scene peopel including writers and agents, and a fleet of people on the production end who made it happen. Sole responsibility is not Vince's, and the companty lives on in his absence because he was only one part. A part that had grown toxic and harmful to that magic even setting aside his crimes. To give him credit is to let him act as though he created all of it, that you owe all of it to him, that without him nobody else could have been a star and what we saw could never have happened, and that just isn't true. He's a control freak rapist who wants credit for decades of an industry that was never a solo endeavor because even during his golden years, he had minds around him whse wisdom helped the company do what it did. The memories you cherish were always the result of the effort of many people who made it all happen. WWE is a billion dollar corporation. It is no more a name and a property now than it was six years ago making borderline unwatchable television to fulfill contractual obligations to produce shows. Don't mourn the loss of what was because the guy who signs the cheques has a different name. Frankly, few things have ever been overseen with such control by one person for as long as WWE is; it's an anomaly, but it's healthier for the company and the business if new visions come in and new people get to make decisions, instead of forever having to chase the fickle and gradually deteriorating vision of a melting rapist whose mental function was clearly on the decline. Wrestling is still wrestling, and WWE can still be what people like(d) it for. Star Wars isn't lacklustre now because Disney bought it, it's because George Lucas made Star Wars by taking old adventure serials and samurai movies he liked and making a space movie about them, and the people who make Star Wars now only really think "I want to make more Star Wars". WWF was like Star Trek. Some people claim it was all Gene Roddenberry/Vince McMahon. He was the sole genius that created this massive thing. But really there were lots of people behind the scenes who were major contributors, maybe even more than Gene/Vince. Like Gene Coon/Pat Patterson. Then over time those other guys left or were even driven away. Then we see the founders vision without any other input. Resulting in Star Trek TNG season 1 or those last few years of WWE. And to your last point this is like comics. Comics back in the day had writers and artists who drew from pulps, sci fi, adventure novels, movie serials, you name it. Made comics fresh and exciting. Nowadays every comics creator has only read other comics it seems. So its a snake eating its own tail. Nothing new to add so just constant reinvention or deconstruction of the old concepts.
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