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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 16, 2024 12:39:59 GMT -5
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 16, 2024 12:52:28 GMT -5
The fans are, how would Daniel Bryan put it, fickle!
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 16, 2024 12:54:28 GMT -5
Really a mix of 1), the Gunther / Sami match is transparently only happening because Sami has nothing better going on while the Gable match would have an actual story worth caring about going for it, and 2), his part in the Bloodline story fizzling out the way it did kind of completely killed Sami's character because it was really his entire personality and the only thing he has going on since is being a guy who chokes a lot so it's hard to find much reason to care about him.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 16, 2024 12:54:49 GMT -5
The peak was Elimination Chamber against Roman and they missed it. He's still solidly over but you're never going to get that back.
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Post by mo on Mar 16, 2024 13:16:44 GMT -5
Probably just getting that Rey Mysterio at #30 reaction. Build up an underdog babyface just to have another face take what fans think should be his spot likely won’t be received well.
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Post by HIM on Mar 16, 2024 13:20:22 GMT -5
He's fine and he'll be cheered against Gunther, it's just what happens when you face another babyface who fans love to a degree like Gable. He's not as over as he was during his Bloodline stuff but to a degree, it's not really his fault. Sadly, the cheers started to dwindle when he started interacting with Judgement Day. He was good with the Bloodline and even when he and Owens were tag teaming but the moment they separated and he got with Judgement Day, that's when things changed. Judgement Day's been great for them but for other superstars? It hasn't been so good. There was a time where they opened Raw and ran over dudes for months. Even Cody of all people was wrestling with em for a while without getting any meaningful stuff.
Shit, after thinking about it I might make a Judgement Day thread.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 16, 2024 13:25:15 GMT -5
The peak was Elimination Chamber against Roman and they missed it. He's still solidly over but you're never going to get that back. You might be able to if you had him and Jey make a run at the tag titles together, but even then I feel like Jey's kind of eclipsed him at this point.
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Post by dbrussel on Mar 16, 2024 13:26:33 GMT -5
Booker T is the source of that? LOLOLOLOL
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Mar 16, 2024 13:26:48 GMT -5
I was pulling for Sami hard last year and most of this year but his backstage promos haven’t done him any favors for me at least. he doesn’t come off as a face at all, it’s just rambling and then he loses usually lol
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 16, 2024 13:29:51 GMT -5
Hmmm.... I hate to say it but based on the replies so far.
I guess it's time for Sami to back to the heel side.
Then at least he has fun matches like maybe a rematch with Johnny Knoxville.
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Post by Ludwig Kaiser’s Walk on Mar 16, 2024 13:32:25 GMT -5
A couple things:
1. I don’t care about this quote since it’s from Booker
B. The booking for Sami has been awful, plus Gable has the built in story with Gunther that actually makes sense.
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Post by Doo Doo is Worse Than WCW 2000 on Mar 16, 2024 13:35:44 GMT -5
Maybe not so much when he beat Gable, but before that the fans were loving him in that gauntlet match. Sometimes the person you're working with is just hotter with crowds, it happens (even with the GOAT Becky Lynch against Mami!!!)
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Post by Totorob101 on Mar 16, 2024 13:37:29 GMT -5
Honestly the day of the babyface is over. People will eventually turn on Sami and Cody and all as good guy face characters have a shelf life and for Sami he may well be needing the career saving heel turn down the line. People just don't tolerate "good" guy people so much and haven't really since before the attitude era (cena was booed for years). The women's division is littered with unover babyface talent,beside Bianca and Becky and maybe liv but the heel side is full of popular heel talent (tiffany,Rhea,Damage control,chelsea,Mia etc). People love good characters and good guy characters don't have any character at all.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Mar 16, 2024 13:43:28 GMT -5
also this is one of those cases where online reactions are different to live reactions. usually when someone shows up live the crowd is gonna cheer them if they’re a star, like Sami is. he still gets cheered a lot and why wouldn’t he be, people paid money for the show to see people like him.
however… run the same type of match over and over and over and over where he was losing most of them and it becomes very easy for an online viewer to gripe and moan about it. doesn’t make them right or wrong but after a bunch of Sami matches for months it makes a lot more sense than just saying dude is washed.
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Post by kevin on Mar 16, 2024 13:45:47 GMT -5
It is hard to feel happy for Zayn when Gable was that sad. The Gable story was great and I wish he was going to beat Gunther for the title at Mania. Zayn will get a positive reaction when or if he does but the story is not as good.
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Post by Chiral on Mar 16, 2024 13:45:50 GMT -5
Typical HHH booking bag fumble + slow ass booking follow up cooling off an act entirely
✨✨Editor's note: Chiral has not watched main roster since WM39 so this hot take must have a truckload of salt with it.✨✨
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Post by BRV on Mar 16, 2024 13:51:41 GMT -5
There's a whole host of reasons why Sami Zayn isn't as hot now as he was around this time last year.
1) A face is only as good as the heel he's chasing. Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens were in the midst of a main event feud with The Bloodline going into WrestleMania and in the immediate aftermath of WrestleMania, pretty much up until the rivalry concluded at Night of Champions with the win over Roman Reigns and Solo Sikoa. After that, they were left without a true challenger, so they kind of spun their wheels in one-offs against the likes of Pretty Deadly while not even being on the card for Money in the Bank or SummerSlam, before entering into an interminably long feud with the Judgment Day that lasted basically the rest of the year.
2) He didn't have a true built-in rivalry heading into WrestleMania season. If things held to form from what they appeared to be in January, we'd probably be getting the blow-off to a Sami Zayn/Drew McIntyre blood feud at WrestleMania XL. But after CM Punk was injured and the Raw main event was thrown into chaos, Zayn lost out on that match. Now that's not to say an Intercontinental Championship match against Gunther is a consolation prize. It'll be a great match and they have three weeks of television to build the match itself, but I understand why people are chilly on their reception to a match that was seemingly thrown together over the last week or two.
3) The fans last Monday were more supportive of Chad Gable. That makes sense, Gable's the one with the months-long rivalry with Gunther and he's been chasing that rematch since Gunther set the record. But as I said, there's still a chance to make Gunther-Sami matter with three weeks of television until the match.
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Post by bearned on Mar 16, 2024 14:15:20 GMT -5
Can we add Booker to the list of banned sources? Seriously though, Sami is still over but for a variety of reasons he’s definitely cooled down since the heady days of Sammy Uso.
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Post by Defrebel - White Pony on Mar 16, 2024 14:25:05 GMT -5
There's a non zero chance that this encounter literally never happened and Booker T was just bothered scrolling thru Twitter
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Post by J is Justice on Mar 16, 2024 14:56:33 GMT -5
Typical HHH booking bag fumble + slow ass booking follow up cooling off an act entirely ✨✨Editor's note: Chiral has not watched main roster since WM39 so this hot take must have a truckload of salt with it.✨✨Just another AEW stan. {Spoiler}You're right.
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