What’s the deal with Tony and Rossi ogawa?

[Lance Uppercut]

They say that Tony might do stuff with stardom now that Ogawa is gone. I always wondered why he didn’t this whole time. With his relationship with new Japan, and Kenny’s support of Joshi.

Also, apparently, Tony was gloating on Twitter when Rossi was let go.

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Ogawa didn't want the crossover, basically the same thing that happened with New Japan until the president stepped down, then we got full bore Forbidden Door stuff.

That's seemingly what it really boils down to, and now that he's left STARDOM he seems to have enough pull and loyalty to be forming his own promotion where a bevy of STARDOM girls will be leaving and joining it too.

[polarbearpete]

Apparently a lot of talent were upset at Khan’s tweets at Rossy when it was announced he left.

The Observer quote was “You have no idea how upset wrestlers and media are about Tony’s sticking it to Rossy.”

[KME]

Mar 30, 2024 6:47:08 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Apparently a lot of talent were upset at Khan’s tweets at Rossy when it was announced he left.

The Observer quote was “You have no idea how upset wrestlers and media are about Tony’s sticking it to Rossy.”

Suspect the talent most upset by those tweets will be the ones who really love Rossy and will just be following him to his new promotion anyway, which will likely show the same resistance to working with AEW that Stardom did, so not sure it makes much difference.

Those tweets are as a result of having never got on though aren't they, as opposed to where the problem actually lies. Don't know if anyone actually knows the full story but they clearly don't have a good relationship and Tony clearly resents Rossy for not being able to collaborate with Stardom, and judging by the immediate change since Rossy's departure he was right to think Rossy was holding out on him. Perhaps feels he makes it a little easier for talent to go to WWE instead but that's very hard to prove.

No idea who's in the right or wrong or of the finer details, probably only Rossy and Tony truly know, but quite clearly they don't like each other and Tony just goes public with his grievances more than most.

[AwamoriRock]

TK was not exactly willing to have AEW talents lose from what I heard. his rules of booking Riho in Stardom upset Rossy, the Elite trying to poach Mayu etc all led to Rossy taking issue but tried to play ball but it fell through. (Notably trying to get Stratlander fior a show)TK’s tweets are total asshattery and a reason I doubt Rossy’s promotion would engage with AEW.

[KME]

The horse had surely already long since bolted by the time the tweets were made. Tony talked shit about Rossy because they have no working relationship, they don't have no working relationship because he talked shit. It'd be like if Cornette started his own promotion and Kenny Omega tweeted out "Hey you four eyed cuck, hope your promotion fails you f***ing c***" and then we get reports it really upset people close to Cornette and how Omega's blown his chance of working there. Like yeah, no shit, he'd have never worked there anyway. It's an extreme example bit I'm pretty certain Tony will have known he won't be working with anyone who's loyal to Rossy anyway, don't think tweets change a thing there.

[polarbearpete]

Mar 30, 2024 9:06:46 GMT -5 KME said:

The horse had surely already long since bolted by the time the tweets were made. Tony talked shit about Rossy because they have no working relationship, they don't have no working relationship because he talked shit. It'd be like if Cornette started his own promotion and Kenny Omega tweeted out "Hey you four eyed cuck, hope your promotion fails you f***ing c***" and then we get reports it really upset people close to Cornette and how Omega's blown his chance of working there. Like yeah, no shit, he'd have never worked there anyway. It's an extreme example bit I'm pretty certain Tony will have known he won't be working with anyone who's loyal to Rossy anyway, don't think tweets change a thing there.

Is Rossy really like Cornette though? He seems to be well-respected so upsetting people that are close with Rossy would seem more problematic than upsetting Cornette’s allies.

[Cyno]

There is a certain irony that the original point of contention between Rossy and AEW/Tony Khan was apparently them trying to poach Mayu. And then he gets fired from Stardom because he was poaching talent with one foot out the door for his new promotion.

I think the Cornette comparison was just for purposes of "people who really never liked each other," though. Like anyone who was really loyal to Rossy was already unlikely to go to AEW anyway. Rossy seems to have a really abrasive personality but that's where any similarities end.

[HMARK Center]

I'm starting to wonder if the term "poach" needs to be rethought in pro wrestling parlance. Gets thrown around a lot, often without enough context to know for sure what's going on.

In a totally unrelated story, I'm in the mood for Eggs Benedict.

[Kalmia]

It'd be better for the wrestling business all around if all of the wrestling companies could agree that when a wrestler is in the last 3/6/x months of their contract, they can freely speak to any other company. But that favours wrestlers, so nobody will ever agree to it and instead we'll just get accusations of poaching and contract tampering.

[polarbearpete]

Mar 30, 2024 11:42:33 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

It'd be better for the wrestling business all around if all of the wrestling companies could agree that when a wrestler is in the last 3/6/x months of their contract, they can freely speak to any other company. But that favours wrestlers, so nobody will ever agree to it and instead we'll just get accusations of poaching and contract tampering.

Unless it’s written into their contracts (and I don’t remember seeing it in the old WWE contracts that have made their way to the internet), there’s nothing illegal about talking to or negotiating with a contracted talent about what comes after their contract expiration.

[markymark]

Mar 30, 2024 2:10:59 GMT -5 Lance Uppercut said:

They say that Tony might do stuff with stardom now that Ogawa is gone. I always wondered why he didn’t this whole time. With his relationship with new Japan, and Kenny’s support of Joshi.

Also, apparently, Tony was gloating on Twitter when Rossi was let go.

And also Bushirod loved TK burying Rossy on twitter lol.

Harada deserves more blame than Rossy because he was another Harold Meiji.

[Kalmia]

Mar 30, 2024 12:42:29 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Mar 30, 2024 11:42:33 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

It'd be better for the wrestling business all around if all of the wrestling companies could agree that when a wrestler is in the last 3/6/x months of their contract, they can freely speak to any other company. But that favours wrestlers, so nobody will ever agree to it and instead we'll just get accusations of poaching and contract tampering.

Unless it’s written into their contracts (and I don’t remember seeing it in the old WWE contracts that have made their way to the internet), there’s nothing illegal about talking to or negotiating with a contracted talent about what comes after their contract expiration.

The legalities of the situation don't stop wrestling companies from complaining about it and playing hardball with each other though, does it? That was more my point than whether it was legal or not.

[eJm]

Mar 30, 2024 13:35:07 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

Mar 30, 2024 12:42:29 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Unless it’s written into their contracts (and I don’t remember seeing it in the old WWE contracts that have made their way to the internet), there’s nothing illegal about talking to or negotiating with a contracted talent about what comes after their contract expiration.

The legalities of the situation don't stop wrestling companies from complaining about it and playing hardball with each other though, does it? That was more my point than whether it was legal or not.

Yeah, or people outside of the loop being unaware about whether that’d be the case.

For the record, I agree, there should be that sort of thing in contracts. Issue being that would mean giving more power to workers in some kind of group effort to protect the rights of workers. A union, you could say.

[polarbearpete]

Mar 30, 2024 13:35:07 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

Mar 30, 2024 12:42:29 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Unless it’s written into their contracts (and I don’t remember seeing it in the old WWE contracts that have made their way to the internet), there’s nothing illegal about talking to or negotiating with a contracted talent about what comes after their contract expiration.

The legalities of the situation don't stop wrestling companies from complaining about it and playing hardball with each other though, does it? That was more my point than whether it was legal or not.

Sure they complain about it but there’s nothing really actionable about it so there’s no reason for wrestlers to listen to that.

[Kalmia]

Mar 30, 2024 19:02:46 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Mar 30, 2024 13:35:07 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

The legalities of the situation don't stop wrestling companies from complaining about it and playing hardball with each other though, does it? That was more my point than whether it was legal or not.

Sure they complain about it but there’s nothing really actionable about it so there’s no reason for wrestlers to listen to that.

The whole reason this was brought up in this thread was because Ogawa apparently became angry at AEW for trying to poach Mayu. That was my whole point. Get the promotions to agree on how things are done so that promoters don't get pissy at each other for "poaching". My point was never about legalities or wrestlers and neither was this thread.

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Considering Mayu is like a surrogate daughter to Rossy , trying to poach her like they tried to do was always gonna really piss Rossy the f*** off.

And it aint like Rossy would have been against letting her wrestle for AEW had that not happened...I mean Mayu was ROH womens champion so he has no issues letting his talent work overseass.

But that Mayu situation was always going to be pretty unforgivable in his eyes but even Rossy let that go enough to have Rhio in STARDOM (if that was his call I cannot remember) but then the way that situation ended up pretty much just flushed whatever chance TK had at that working relationship while Rossy was around.