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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 2, 2024 17:01:28 GMT -5
It's hard to tell from some rando just doing tweets if he was contacted day of to be like 'Hey show up' or if they told him to show up in advance, he wasn't there, so Pat Buck buzzed him and he said "No I have plans". If it was a day of surprise though that's clown shit on AEW's part, people have lives that aren't the job they never get called in to do, that's scuzzy retail shit. Yeah, I’m not saying Skytel wrestling can’t actually have inside info,but then proclaiming they’re a burner account for a 20 year vet doesn’t sell me. Story could all be true. I still think Stu is justified. I know I’ve turned down shows because I have prior engagements. Saying “oh it’s just dinner” is bs. We don’t know what it was for. Let’s say for example, my boss calls me last minute when I’m going to my parent’s anniversary dinner. I’m gonna say I’m busy. I would hope to not be shunned and fired about it. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 2, 2024 17:04:22 GMT -5
Yeah I know it BECAME that, but at that time, he looked like he had multiple things going on and could've been poised to be part of the Cole/MJF program given Righteous got to be a part of that If the Tweet is true then idk, that's probably when they stopped with him,, because they seemed ready to use Stu and then he vanished. The tweet refers to the March 16th episode of Collision. Dude hasn't had a match on any AEW/ROH programming since last July. Idk if it factored in then or what, I do know after the ROH Trios match and everything it looked like he had several storylines lined up across AEW and ROH TV and it just stopped, so something happened that someone didn't agree with I assume |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 2, 2024 17:08:53 GMT -5
He hasn't worked a single AEW or ROH date since August 30th (a dark match vs Robert Anthony) and the last one before that was July 21 at the DBD Fight Without Honor with Dark Order vs Righteous. It certainly became "f*** all." Yeah I know it BECAME that, but at that time, he looked like he had multiple things going on and could've been poised to be part of the Cole/MJF program given Righteous got to be a part of that If the Tweet is true then idk, that's probably when they stopped with him,, because they seemed ready to use Stu and then he vanished. The tweet was about a show two weeks ago in Ottawa. So it was from August 30th until March 16th with no work before the day of call to work the show. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 2, 2024 17:11:35 GMT -5
genuinely asking, how often were WWE talent like this when they were let go? i don't blame henry either and that slim j thread ruined my whole day but is it common for let go people on the other side of the fence to be this outwardly disappointed/upset? The responses can all vary, but WWE also does at least give you the ninety days of notice and paychecks, on top of the expectation that it can happen. I can't say who for sure but I swear I've seen interviews of ex-WWE guys saying they knew the call was inevitable and were kinda just relieved the cut happened. With AEW it's a lot of compounding crappiness on the suddenness of it and also obviously the fact this was the company where the boss made his huge deal about how this was never going to happen, which probably adds to the sore feelings given that they were basically lied to and blindsided by something that they didn't think would happen. Yeah it seems more like PR spin of trying to frame being cut immediately with no notice period as beneficial to the talents, when the notice period would at least mean you’re getting paid for a period of time. |
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 2, 2024 17:17:40 GMT -5
It definitely happens, especially with some of the really shady stuff pulled like canning NXT hopefuls after a few weeks when they'd uprooted themselves to Florida. now that you mention it, i can't remember who exactly it was but I do remember someone coming over from I think it was... Brazil maybe? uprooted their whole lives and i think it was during the pandemic too Cesar Bononi uprooted his life in Brazil and moved to Florida with his wife who has a pretty serious illness. When he was cut from the WWE the only option was to sell everything at a loss and move back to Brazil before Tony hired Cesar and sponsored his visa. edit: there was a luchadora from south america who got pretty ruthlessly cut from the roster after like six months. |
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Post by Dub H on Apr 2, 2024 17:19:41 GMT -5
now that you mention it, i can't remember who exactly it was but I do remember someone coming over from I think it was... Brazil maybe? uprooted their whole lives and i think it was during the pandemic too Cesar Bononi uprooted his life in Brazil and moved to Florida with his wife who has a pretty serious illness. When he was cut from the WWE the only option was to sell everything at a loss and move back to Brazil before Tony hired Cesar and sponsored his visa. Tony paid for his wifes stay at the hospital too. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 2, 2024 17:25:13 GMT -5
Yeah I know it BECAME that, but at that time, he looked like he had multiple things going on and could've been poised to be part of the Cole/MJF program given Righteous got to be a part of that If the Tweet is true then idk, that's probably when they stopped with him,, because they seemed ready to use Stu and then he vanished. The tweet was about a show two weeks ago in Ottawa. So it was from August 30th until March 16th with no work before the day of call to work the show. My bad for getting turned around on that, some of the info was unclear about when and where it happened It's weird because they had stuff lined up for him, like it showed they did in ROH and in the first Righteous graphic and then... he vanished, and it was never clear on why, no dirtsheets knew either Guess they wanted to kickstart something again and his apparent refusal to do so was it for them? Idk |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2024 17:26:27 GMT -5
It's hard to tell from some rando just doing tweets if he was contacted day of to be like 'Hey show up' or if they told him to show up in advance, he wasn't there, so Pat Buck buzzed him and he said "No I have plans". If it was a day of surprise though that's clown shit on AEW's part, people have lives that aren't the job they never get called in to do, that's scuzzy retail shit. Yeah, I’m not saying Skytel wrestling can’t actually have inside info,but then proclaiming they’re a burner account for a 20 year vet doesn’t sell me. Story could all be true. I still think Stu is justified. I know I’ve turned down shows because I have prior engagements. Saying “oh it’s just dinner” is bs. We don’t know what it was for. Let’s say for example, my boss calls me last minute when I’m going to my parent’s anniversary dinner. I’m gonna say I’m busy. I would hope to not be shunned and fired about it. Even if the story is legitimate, I tihnk it's been told in a way that's vague and poorly communicated enough to leave wya too much room for understanding. It's one thing when we get a shambolic three paragraphs of Meltzer monologues, but there's a nugget of clarity in between that rambling. A Fightful article about the rumour would articulate things like "He was only contacted the day of the show to ask if he could work" that would clear it up. But twitter is an abysmal platform for clarity and this is a story that needs some. |
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Post by The Captain on Apr 2, 2024 17:31:55 GMT -5
genuinely asking, how often were WWE talent like this when they were let go? i don't blame henry either and that slim j thread ruined my whole day but is it common for let go people on the other side of the fence to be this outwardly disappointed/upset? The responses can all vary, but WWE also does at least give you the ninety days of notice and paychecks, on top of the expectation that it can happen. I can't say who for sure but I swear I've seen interviews of ex-WWE guys saying they knew the call was inevitable and were kinda just relieved the cut happened. With AEW it's a lot of compounding crappiness on the suddenness of it and also obviously the fact this was the company where the boss made his huge deal about how this was never going to happen, which probably adds to the sore feelings given that they were basically lied to and blindsided by something that they didn't think would happen. Yeah, I think that's why you're seeing a lot of bitterness over it because the one thing AEW really had over WWE was that it honored contracts even if the talent was dead weight. Whether it's a correction for the hiring sprees of the last couple of years or a prudent business move, it's a certain kind of WWE-style ruthlessness and two-facedness people didn't expect from the company or Tony Khan.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2024 17:42:18 GMT -5
The responses can all vary, but WWE also does at least give you the ninety days of notice and paychecks, on top of the expectation that it can happen. I can't say who for sure but I swear I've seen interviews of ex-WWE guys saying they knew the call was inevitable and were kinda just relieved the cut happened. With AEW it's a lot of compounding crappiness on the suddenness of it and also obviously the fact this was the company where the boss made his huge deal about how this was never going to happen, which probably adds to the sore feelings given that they were basically lied to and blindsided by something that they didn't think would happen. Yeah, I think that's why you're seeing a lot of bitterness over it because the one thing AEW really had over WWE was that it honored contracts even if the talent was dead weight. Whether it's a correction for the hiring sprees of the last couple of years or a prudent business move, it's a certain kind of WWE-style ruthlessness and two-facedness people didn't expect from the company or Tony Khan.
It's one of those like actually shitty and bad things that deserves the criticism him getting into arguments on twitter gets, and it's the crossing of a line that Tony can't un-cross. It's been done, he can never say again that AEW won't do that, and it's oging to hurt trust in future claims he makes abotu what else the company won't do. I'm probably not the only one who saw the thread title, saw in the OP that Stu was gone, and figured "Oh this is gonna be a bunch of mutual-parting-of-ways kinds of people". It's a really crappy move that betrays something AEW can never get back. |
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Apr 2, 2024 17:44:52 GMT -5
From a business POV, I feel like it makes sense that you’d fire (Release is just a nice way of saying it but let’s call a spade, a spade) those who would have the least impact on your company and provide the least upside to the #1 promotion
(On a personal/human level, I think it sucks, I’m just pointing out from a business level…..Also I’d still prefer they release anyone who wishes to leave first)
It’s a real shame to see one of the real morally correct things about AEWs business practises change. The only thing that could slightly soften the blow would be if the contracts were paid up in full and the wrestlers could go and get bookings elsewhere straight away but even then
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 2, 2024 18:08:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that's why you're seeing a lot of bitterness over it because the one thing AEW really had over WWE was that it honored contracts even if the talent was dead weight. Whether it's a correction for the hiring sprees of the last couple of years or a prudent business move, it's a certain kind of WWE-style ruthlessness and two-facedness people didn't expect from the company or Tony Khan.
It's one of those like actually shitty and bad things that deserves the criticism him getting into arguments on twitter gets, and it's the crossing of a line that Tony can't un-cross. It's been done, he can never say again that AEW won't do that, and it's oging to hurt trust in future claims he makes abotu what else the company won't do. I'm probably not the only one who saw the thread title, saw in the OP that Stu was gone, and figured "Oh this is gonna be a bunch of mutual-parting-of-ways kinds of people". It's a really crappy move that betrays something AEW can never get back. as said it's also not the first time Tony's said one thing then did another... it's one of the reasons there was an uproar when Ric Flair showed up. |
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Post by THE FVNKER on Apr 2, 2024 18:10:16 GMT -5
I already stated this earlier but I’m absolutely boggled at how anyone sees AEW as morally un-just in this situation.
AEW is a private company and these guys are independent contractors.
The whole relationship is predicated on the fact that the employer can terminate a contract at any time. They aren’t hourly employees.
I get that it sucks. I hate it for their families, I hate it for TK and AEW. I’m sure no one on either side of this is happy that it happened, but it did and it doesn’t make anyone morally corrupt.
Moreover, I think it makes more sense to let a handful of people go who aren’t huge names/draws/salaries as opposed to guys with a higher profile. I don’t even think it needs to be explained why.
I’ll say it again.. I’ve seen the mobs of some of you come after people on here:
I hate it for those affected, and I hate how it will affect them.
But this is business, guys. The real world.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2024 18:13:52 GMT -5
I already stated this earlier but I’m absolutely boggled at how anyone sees AEW as morally un-just in this situation. AEW is a private company and these guys are independent contractors. The whole relationship is predicated on the fact that the employer can terminate a contract at any time. They aren’t hourly employees. I get that it sucks. I hate it for their families, I hate it for TK and AEW. I’m sure no one on either side of this is happy that it happened, but it did and it doesn’t make anyone morally corrupt. Moreover, I think it makes more sense to let a handful of people go who aren’t huge names/draws/salaries as opposed to guys with a higher profile. I don’t even think it needs to be explained why. I’ll say it again.. I’ve seen the mobs of some of you come after people on here: I hate it for those affected, and I hate how it will affect them. But this is business, guys. The real world. If your boss tells you "I will never cut anyone's contract early, I will see them through, contracts are a commitment" and then he turns out to be f***ing lying about that, he's a giant asshole who f***ed you over. That is impossible to reconcile. I don't care how much business is when the spreadsheets business says the business business dividends business means you need to business if you want to money business. There's a human cost here, and it is one that Tony Khan specifically traded value off of saying he was not going to pay. Business is not 'morality' and if you're that boggled you might want to re-examine what 'moral' actually entails because I think it'd help you understand peoples' objection here a lot more. |
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Post by cjmb on Apr 2, 2024 18:23:11 GMT -5
I understand people getting cut. It’s a business and it sucks. But people are absolutely right to be pissed off that they’ve been cut after the boss specifically says it would never happen. Even more so that there was apparently no prior warning to the talent that this was something that was about to happen.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Apr 2, 2024 18:27:34 GMT -5
I already stated this earlier but I’m absolutely boggled at how anyone sees AEW as morally un-just in this situation. AEW is a private company and these guys are independent contractors. The whole relationship is predicated on the fact that the employer can terminate a contract at any time. They aren’t hourly employees. I get that it sucks. I hate it for their families, I hate it for TK and AEW. I’m sure no one on either side of this is happy that it happened, but it did and it doesn’t make anyone morally corrupt. Moreover, I think it makes more sense to let a handful of people go who aren’t huge names/draws/salaries as opposed to guys with a higher profile. I don’t even think it needs to be explained why. I’ll say it again.. I’ve seen the mobs of some of you come after people on here: I hate it for those affected, and I hate how it will affect them. But this is business, guys. The real world. If your boss tells you "I will never cut anyone's contract early, I will see them through, contracts are a commitment" and then he turns out to be f***ing lying about that, he's a giant asshole who f***ed you over. That is impossible to reconcile. I don't care how much business is when the spreadsheets business says the business business dividends business means you need to business if you want to money business. There's a human cost here, and it is one that Tony Khan specifically traded value off of saying he was not going to pay. Business is not 'morality' and if you're that boggled you might want to re-examine what 'moral' actually entails because I think it'd help you understand peoples' objection here a lot more. So forever more TK has the obligation to honor all contracts’ lengths just because he said that one time? You (and admittedly neither do I) have any idea what necessitated the releases. What if they freed up that money so they could spend it on advertising in order to make more money, to pay talent more? Tony has spent tons of money creating the first viable #2 company in over 20 years, including paying some industry leading contracts. Not to mention.. Unless the talents released are prepared to litigate this claiming that in the contract, it said “Tony Khan will honor the length of this contract no matter what”.. there is a high likelihood that it states that talents can be released with whatever specified reasoning’s there are.. And if they didn’t like that when they read it, they didn’t have to sign it. Look, I’m on these guys’ team even if it doesn’t sound like it, but this is just crazy to bust out the pitchforks and torches when the entire relationship between independent contractors and the people offering the work is hinged on the fact that the employer can usually terminate them as needed, wether or not the boss said he would or wouldn’t in some interview. Personal example: The company I work for is rumored to be undergoing a merger. My senior manager told us everything would be fine, and not to look for other employment. Months after stating that, he took a position with the rumored other company (think what Heyman did to the ECW guys if you need a wrestling reference). What did we do? Talked crap about him at work, made jokes.. the usual. Like everyone is doing here. However we all understand that at work, things happen. At your job, a family atmosphere is nice but unfortunately the reality is, is that everyone is looking out for their own best interests a lot of times and that doesn’t make it 100% morally wrong. It just doesn’t. Is it f’ed up of him to say he’ll never cut anyone knowing that things could change at any time and he may need to? Yes. But that’s all it is. A little f’ed up. |
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Post by The Captain on Apr 2, 2024 18:33:02 GMT -5
It's one of those like actually shitty and bad things that deserves the criticism him getting into arguments on twitter gets, and it's the crossing of a line that Tony can't un-cross. It's been done, he can never say again that AEW won't do that, and it's oging to hurt trust in future claims he makes abotu what else the company won't do. I'm probably not the only one who saw the thread title, saw in the OP that Stu was gone, and figured "Oh this is gonna be a bunch of mutual-parting-of-ways kinds of people". It's a really crappy move that betrays something AEW can never get back. as said it's also not the first time Tony's said one thing then did another... it's one of the reasons there was an uproar when Ric Flair showed up. In fairness, the entire f***ing industry has a massive blindspot for Ric Flair's crappy behavior. Including people who should and usually do know better like Ryan Nemeth and Peter Rosenberg. |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 2, 2024 18:33:11 GMT -5
I already stated this earlier but I’m absolutely boggled at how anyone sees AEW as morally un-just in this situation. AEW is a private company and these guys are independent contractors. The whole relationship is predicated on the fact that the employer can terminate a contract at any time. They aren’t hourly employees. I get that it sucks. I hate it for their families, I hate it for TK and AEW. I’m sure no one on either side of this is happy that it happened, but it did and it doesn’t make anyone morally corrupt. Moreover, I think it makes more sense to let a handful of people go who aren’t huge names/draws/salaries as opposed to guys with a higher profile. I don’t even think it needs to be explained why. I’ll say it again.. I’ve seen the mobs of some of you come after people on here: I hate it for those affected, and I hate how it will affect them. But this is business, guys. The real world. If your boss tells you "I will never cut anyone's contract early, I will see them through, contracts are a commitment" and then he turns out to be f***ing lying about that, he's a giant asshole who f***ed you over. That is impossible to reconcile. I don't care how much business is when the spreadsheets business says the business business dividends business means you need to business if you want to money business. There's a human cost here, and it is one that Tony Khan specifically traded value off of saying he was not going to pay. Business is not 'morality' and if you're that boggled you might want to re-examine what 'moral' actually entails because I think it'd help you understand peoples' objection here a lot more. Tony literally took shots at WWE for pulling the same shit he did yesterday. Despite the fact it was mostly people he didn't use, that doesn't excuse the fact he's hypocritical as F. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2024 18:34:40 GMT -5
If your boss tells you "I will never cut anyone's contract early, I will see them through, contracts are a commitment" and then he turns out to be f***ing lying about that, he's a giant asshole who f***ed you over. That is impossible to reconcile. I don't care how much business is when the spreadsheets business says the business business dividends business means you need to business if you want to money business. There's a human cost here, and it is one that Tony Khan specifically traded value off of saying he was not going to pay. Business is not 'morality' and if you're that boggled you might want to re-examine what 'moral' actually entails because I think it'd help you understand peoples' objection here a lot more. So forever more TK has the obligation to honor all contracts’ lengths just because he said that one time? You (and admittedly neither do I) have any idea what necessitated the releases. What if they freed up that money so they could spend it on advertising in order to make more money, to pay talent more? Tony has spent tons of money creating the first viable #2 company in over 20 years, including paying some industry leading contracts. Not to mention.. Unless the talents released are prepared to litigate this claiming that in the contract, it said “Tony Khan will honor the length of this contract no matter what”.. there is a high likelihood that it states that talents can be released with whatever specified reasoning’s there are.. And if they didn’t like that when they read it, they didn’t have to sign it. Look, I’m on these guys’ team even if it doesn’t sound like it, but this is just crazy to bust out the pitchforks and torches when the entire relationship between independent contractors and the people offering the work is hinged on the fact that the employer can usually terminate them as needed, wether or not the boss said he would or wouldn’t in some interview. Personal example: The company I work for is rumored to be undergoing a merger. My senior manager told us everything would be fine, and not to look for other employment. Months after stating that, he took a position with the rumored other company (think what Heyman did to the ECW guys if you need a wrestling reference). What did we do? Talked crap about him at work, made jokes.. the usual. Like everyone is doing here. However we all understand that at work, things happen. At your job, a family atmosphere is nice but unfortunately the reality is, is that everyone is looking out for their own best interests a lot of times and that doesn’t make it 100% morally wrong. It just doesn’t. Is it f’ed up of him to say he’ll never cut anyone knowing that things could change at any time and he may need to? Yes. But that’s all it is. A little f’ed up. I don't know why I need to tell you this, but lying is immoral. |
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Post by The Captain on Apr 2, 2024 18:40:42 GMT -5
If your boss tells you "I will never cut anyone's contract early, I will see them through, contracts are a commitment" and then he turns out to be f***ing lying about that, he's a giant asshole who f***ed you over. That is impossible to reconcile. I don't care how much business is when the spreadsheets business says the business business dividends business means you need to business if you want to money business. There's a human cost here, and it is one that Tony Khan specifically traded value off of saying he was not going to pay. Business is not 'morality' and if you're that boggled you might want to re-examine what 'moral' actually entails because I think it'd help you understand peoples' objection here a lot more. So forever more TK has the obligation to honor all contracts’ lengths just because he said that one time? You (and admittedly neither do I) have any idea what necessitated the releases. What if they freed up that money so they could spend it on advertising in order to make more money, to pay talent more? Tony has spent tons of money creating the first viable #2 company in over 20 years, including paying some industry leading contracts. Not to mention.. Unless the talents released are prepared to litigate this claiming that in the contract, it said “Tony Khan will honor the length of this contract no matter what”.. there is a high likelihood that it states that talents can be released with whatever specified reasoning’s there are.. And if they didn’t like that when they read it, they didn’t have to sign it. Look, I’m on these guys’ team even if it doesn’t sound like it, but this is just crazy to bust out the pitchforks and torches when the entire relationship between independent contractors and the people offering the work is hinged on the fact that the employer can usually terminate them as needed, wether or not the boss said he would or wouldn’t in some interview. Personal example: The company I work for is rumored to be undergoing a merger. My senior manager told us everything would be fine, and not to look for other employment. Months after stating that, he took a position with the rumored other company (think what Heyman did to the ECW guys if you need a wrestling reference). What did we do? Talked crap about him at work, made jokes.. the usual. Like everyone is doing here. However we all understand that at work, things happen. At your job, a family atmosphere is nice but unfortunately the reality is, is that everyone is looking out for their own best interests a lot of times and that doesn’t make it 100% morally wrong. It just doesn’t. Is it f’ed up of him to say he’ll never cut anyone knowing that things could change at any time and he may need to? Yes. But that’s all it is. A little f’ed up. This isn't something he just said one time, but "honoring the contract" has been constantly brought up by Khan and other AEW representatives for years. It's why they've never done these sorts of mass releases before, with the preference for letting the contract expire without renewing it if they wanted to part ways with someone. And it's not like he last brought this up during AEW's early days or anything that people are expecting he'd be beholden to forever. It was September 2023; barely half a year ago.
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