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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 2, 2024 11:01:13 GMT -5
The perfect example of 1.How amazing AEW were at getting their own wrestlers over in 2020 and 2021 2. How bad they've been since at it I don't fully agree with point 2. I think there have been issues for sure since and you're seeing that some people AEW want to push in certain roles were not ready for them (Action Andretti but also Jack Perry as a heel or a main eventer) but I think AEW still can clearly get people over when they want to. That being said, I always kind of had a theory that Tony (and many others) wanted to sign the Super Smash Bros and wasn't thrilled with what they got... or at least not overly impressed. Now they did try to push the Dark Order when Dynamite started but we have to admit for various reasons that didn't work... but also have to concede that they are one of the few groups that did try to reinvent themselves as time went. I just don't think they ever really got close to being considered for tag titles (though I do believe they were supposed to when the IMPACT tag titles and that got changed)
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Post by chrom on Apr 2, 2024 11:02:16 GMT -5
Also going to point out how much Uno hustled to promote the video game in production... only to not be featured in the game and likely never will be at this rate. Yeah, that's what really pisses me off. I know the guys tend to be pretty modest, Uno probably most of all, but there is no valid reason to not have him in the game. Like, because of his mask, even, making him in the game would probably be CONSIDERABLY cheaper than most. But, nope, they didn't even try. And then you have the trios titles that the Acclaimed has basically done nothing with for most of their reign, meanwhile Alex, Uno, and Silver are right there and would probably readily agree to do whatever was asked of them. I am glad Uno has his Mystery Wrestling promotion he has fun with, because Tony Khan has never really recognized what he's got with him. There was so much they could have done. No reason for The Kingdom, Acclaimed or BCG to be champs when they aren't doing anything with them
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 2, 2024 11:32:41 GMT -5
Pure booking malpractice. There's no reason for how little they tried with them, and once Brodie died they just pouttered on as the Brodie Lee Memorial Society in a way that now feels like a crutch to not have to od much with them. Just bring some of them out for the Dynamite commemorating his passing and call it a year
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Post by Cyno on Apr 2, 2024 13:29:25 GMT -5
They've made so many bad booking decisions with the Dark Order and it sucks. Like why even sign Stu back just to barely use him and split him from Uno? Uno and Stu are a great team.
Silver and Reynolds are also a great team that got over with fans and they just did nothing with them.
And they're also not the kind of group that would get a sniff at WWE, either. AEW is their ceiling and it sucks.
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Post by Chiral on Apr 2, 2024 13:39:04 GMT -5
DO's treatment post say Full Gear 21 is one of the most consistently boneheaded moves by AEW and are severely at odds with AEW's general crowd pleasing booking sentiments, it's so depressing to see them continue to treat the group badly in new ways every couple of months.
It would've been fun if they could actually recruit some new members or gasp win a match or two, but noooooo.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 2, 2024 13:45:27 GMT -5
you forgot Stu is hired back... does very little... is released again. >_> And again, if that report is he no showed a segment for a dinner plan is true, that's not on AEW at all. The first time he left it was also because he didn't feel like he was doing what he should be and had fallbacks, this feels like the same thing happened. I saw someone on this board tell you this. Is there a report out there? My quick google search didn’t find anything.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 2, 2024 14:36:03 GMT -5
And again, if that report is he no showed a segment for a dinner plan is true, that's not on AEW at all. The first time he left it was also because he didn't feel like he was doing what he should be and had fallbacks, this feels like the same thing happened. I saw someone on this board tell you this. Is there a report out there? My quick google search didn’t find anything. Grayson apparently refused to show up to do a Dark Order segment in Quebec because he had dinner plans, seems pretty expendable. Johl, Gravity, Parker, Slim J are all guys not doing much. Anthony Henry was probably on a PPA and will be back when healed up. Sucks about Jose, he ruled. [/div]
This is the post mentioning it in the AEW Releases thread. Should probably ask them where they saw that.
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Post by jean0987654321 on Apr 2, 2024 14:48:07 GMT -5
This faction is dead. Just take it out to pasture. Nobody is over and will get over in this faction. Tony killed it
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Post by jm on Apr 2, 2024 14:55:57 GMT -5
Tony's handling of the Dark Order is arguably his biggest f***up ever as booker. They should be one of the top groups in AEW right now. Brodie's death and their story with Hangman should have had them set for life as a top babyface group. Instead, they are now a jobber group that are treated as a complete joke. A huge demerit on TK's booking legacy, and inexcusable.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2024 15:05:50 GMT -5
like one of the few things you can do with the custom entrances is have the creepers... and... the only Dark Order member is Brodie. Isn't Silver in the game, too? Like, of the Dark Order, I understand if those two were high priority, but the entire f***ing gimmick name came from Evil Uno in the first place. Apparently he is either I didn't remember him being in or they added him later... but still
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Post by Cyno on Apr 2, 2024 15:08:44 GMT -5
Silver is definitely in the game. Not sure if anyone else was added in later seasons because I haven't exactly been paying attention to AEW:FF DLC news except the recent Swerve addition.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 2, 2024 15:30:33 GMT -5
Yeah, Silver's in. I mostly remember because 1), they have him and Brodie set up as a team, and 2), the nL stream where they did a Rumble and Malakai Black Massed him out of the ring.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2024 16:27:42 GMT -5
Yeah, That was my mistake then... I didn't hold on to the game very quickly... I think I had it for two days before returning it.
I didn't remember seeing Silver.
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Post by sasqwatchers on Apr 2, 2024 19:37:39 GMT -5
I suspect this will be unpopular but The Dark Order wasn’t very good before Brodie died for my taste. They were fine, but not an incredible faction of can’t miss talent. A collection of people with wise may not get media attention.
Brodie passing out them in a weird spot of having to push them and keep them around for the memory of Brodie. I’d have preferred to see them disband and go on their own. The Hangman stuff worked to a degree but once he went Elite again there was nothing left for them to do.
These guys will have much better careers off the back end of the Dark Order than continuing to be a broken record.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 2, 2024 20:57:17 GMT -5
Yeah, That was my mistake then... I didn't hold on to the game very quickly... I think I had it for two days before returning it. I didn't remember seeing Silver. If I recall correctly he was one of the first DLC characters
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Apr 2, 2024 21:48:03 GMT -5
Pure booking malpractice. There's no reason for how little they tried with them, and once Brodie died they just pouttered on as the Brodie Lee Memorial Society in a way that now feels like a crutch to not have to od much with them. Just bring some of them out for the Dynamite commemorating his passing and call it a year In a way, I feel like it's more insulting to Brodie to keep them as the Dark Order as some sort of weird tribute act. Brodie enjoyed the Wyatt Family, but he literally said he was kept around in catering in WWE for years with no ideas and no momentum for him besides just being 'Luke Harper, southern accent lacky guy' they trotted out there for random spots. He hated that, he wanted out and felt he could do something more. There's no way he'd want the group he led to basically be put in the exact same position he fought so hard get away from for years, where they're not able to do be anything more than what they're given.
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Post by bog on Apr 2, 2024 22:26:20 GMT -5
Yup
For an organization that built a large part of its identity out of their tag division, there sure have been some baffling decisions therein
Dark Order, PnP, and Best Friends? Honestly completely asinine none of them have won the titles
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Post by Tenshigure on Apr 2, 2024 23:36:17 GMT -5
DO's treatment post say Full Gear 21 is one of the most consistently boneheaded moves by AEW and are severely at odds with AEW's general crowd pleasing booking sentiments, it's so depressing to see them continue to treat the group badly in new ways every couple of months. It would've been fun if they could actually recruit some new members or gasp win a match or two, but noooooo.
It was all downhill after their loss against the Elite on the 7/28 episode of Dynamite. While it's understandable for them to delay Hangman's title shot with the birth of his kid and all, they could've at least leveraged the Dark Order's position as the buddies who picked him up when he was at his lowest and inspired him to finally face his fears and take on Omega at Full Gear after dethroning the Bucks at All Out 2021 instead of Penta and Fenix (sure the match was great, but storyline wise it was an unneeded sidestep).
Once they lost and Hangman said he needed to finish the story solo (WHY??), they were done. Throw in all the other nonsensical bullshit the faction went through from members leaving, Stu cutting ties after his departure/return to the company, and who knows how many failed attempts to utilize the momentum these guys kept building, it's honestly the most frustrating bit of booking the company has had.
TK DESPERATELY needs to get some honest-to-god writers to manage creative at this point. Let him decide who wins/loses for all I care, but his short-sighted 'long term' booking is damaging the company as a whole, and DO is one of the first prime examples of him failing to take advantage of organic audience support.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 2, 2024 23:52:01 GMT -5
DO's treatment post say Full Gear 21 is one of the most consistently boneheaded moves by AEW and are severely at odds with AEW's general crowd pleasing booking sentiments, it's so depressing to see them continue to treat the group badly in new ways every couple of months. It would've been fun if they could actually recruit some new members or gasp win a match or two, but noooooo. It was all downhill after their loss against the Elite on the 7/28 episode of Dynamite. While it's understandable for them to delay Hangman's title shot with the birth of his kid and all, they could've at least leveraged the Dark Order's position as the buddies who picked him up when he was at his lowest and inspired him to finally face his fears and take on Omega at Full Gear after dethroning the Bucks at All Out 2021 instead of Penta and Fenix (sure the match was great, but storyline wise it was an unneeded sidestep).
Once they lost and Hangman said he needed to finish the story solo (WHY??), they were done. Throw in all the other nonsensical bullshit the faction went through from members leaving, Stu cutting ties after his departure/return to the company, and who knows how many failed attempts to utilize the momentum these guys kept building, it's honestly the most frustrating bit of booking the company has had. TK DESPERATELY needs to get some honest-to-god writers to manage creative at this point. Let him decide who wins/loses for all I care, but his short-sighted 'long term' booking is damaging the company as a whole, and DO is one of the first prime examples of him failing to take advantage of organic audience support.
Doesn't help that the Elite / Dark Order match itself made them look absolutely f***ing pathetic. It'd be one thing if it was a close loss but Hangman-aside it was a complete squash.
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Post by chrom on Apr 3, 2024 2:22:22 GMT -5
Pure booking malpractice. There's no reason for how little they tried with them, and once Brodie died they just pouttered on as the Brodie Lee Memorial Society in a way that now feels like a crutch to not have to od much with them. Just bring some of them out for the Dynamite commemorating his passing and call it a year In a way, I feel like it's more insulting to Brodie to keep them as the Dark Order as some sort of weird tribute act. Brodie enjoyed the Wyatt Family, but he literally said he was kept around in catering in WWE for years with no ideas and no momentum for him besides just being 'Luke Harper, southern accent lacky guy' they trotted out there for random spots. He hated that, he wanted out and felt he could do something more. There's no way he'd want the group he led to basically be put in the exact same position he fought so hard get away from for years, where they're not able to do be anything more than what they're given. Rest his soul, but they aren't paying tribute to him keeping them around. If anything, they are hindering and damaging themselves staying together.
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