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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Apr 23, 2024 9:45:35 GMT -5
I wouldn’t call Becky winning hot shotting since like, the only reason she won was because Rhea is gonna be out for what, the rest of the year? I think Liv takes it from her at Summerslam in an actual “I’m a heel now” way with Dom or JD helping her cheat to win there. Her winning in a random battle royal doesn’t mean jack imo.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 23, 2024 9:48:08 GMT -5
So many people give Triple H the benefit of the doubt here. I do not. His booking of this division has just been bad for a long time now.
Also the fact that he could not find ANYTHING for Liv to do on a 2 night WM doesn’t help his case either.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 23, 2024 9:53:16 GMT -5
So many people give Triple H the benefit of the doubt here. I do not. His booking of this division has just been bad for a long time now. Also the fact that he could not find ANYTHING for Liv to do on a 2 night WM doesn’t help his case either. It's not like even if Liv had been doing anything on the show it would've added anything to it. The most there was for her to do would've been a match with Nia that would've meant nothing and probably been awful. It'd have just been making Mania worse if you did it.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 23, 2024 9:58:30 GMT -5
So many people give Triple H the benefit of the doubt here. I do not. His booking of this division has just been bad for a long time now. Also the fact that he could not find ANYTHING for Liv to do on a 2 night WM doesn’t help his case either. It's not like even if Liv had been doing anything on the show it would've added anything to it. The most there was for her to do would've been a match with Nia that would've meant nothing and probably been awful. It'd have just been making Mania worse if you did it. Night 1 frankly wasn’t that great to begin with. Liv would have made it no worse. Point being, so many people seem to think Hunter has some Grand plan here. But his actual booking does little to support that. And frankly, the actual finish to the match was just bad regardless of who won. Becky was never in any danger of being elIminated since we saw her go through the middle rope. How WWE was that sloppy is beyond me?
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Post by J is Justice on Apr 23, 2024 10:09:36 GMT -5
Liv winning the title in such a cheap way would've gotten her more heat, IMO. Way more fun than her winning it legit in a 20 minute one on one with Becky. Maybe if it was her first-ever title win, I'd care about that. Just my thoughts.
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Post by mistery on Apr 23, 2024 10:20:07 GMT -5
I wouldn’t call Becky winning hot shotting since like, the only reason she won was because Rhea is gonna be out for what, the rest of the year? I think Liv takes it from her at Summerslam in an actual “I’m a heel now” way with Dom or JD helping her cheat to win there. Her winning in a random battle royal doesn’t mean jack imo. Supposedly Rhea is only going to be out around 4-5 months so I am inclined to believe that she is returning around Summerslam.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 23, 2024 10:39:37 GMT -5
I wouldn’t call Becky winning hot shotting since like, the only reason she won was because Rhea is gonna be out for what, the rest of the year? I think Liv takes it from her at Summerslam in an actual “I’m a heel now” way with Dom or JD helping her cheat to win there. Her winning in a random battle royal doesn’t mean jack imo. Supposedly Rhea is only going to be out around 4-5 months so I am inclined to believe that she is returning around Summerslam. Even so, if the end goal is Liv with the title when Rhea comes back, doesn’t it make sense to have Becky and Liv feud for a few months in the interim?
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Post by mistery on Apr 23, 2024 10:45:53 GMT -5
Supposedly Rhea is only going to be out around 4-5 months so I am inclined to believe that she is returning around Summerslam. Even so, if the end goal is Liv with the title when Rhea comes back, doesn’t it make sense to have Becky and Liv feud for a few months in the interim? I mean yeah. I would have Liv win the title either at Queen of the Ring or Money in the Bank, and then drop it to Rhea at Summerslam (assuming Rhea is back by then). Because I seriously doubt Liv is going to be a long term champion either. I can't see her lasting more than one or two PPV cycles at most considering she's pretty subpar in a lot of regards, and you can't build a division around her. I would even go as far to say that she was never going to win the title if Rhea was never injured.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 23, 2024 10:55:39 GMT -5
Supposedly Rhea is only going to be out around 4-5 months so I am inclined to believe that she is returning around Summerslam. Even so, if the end goal is Liv with the title when Rhea comes back, doesn’t it make sense to have Becky and Liv feud for a few months in the interim? On the other hand, waiting until the last minute before Rhea comes back to throw the belt on Liv doesn’t do her any favors either. She needs a proper run with it before that.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 23, 2024 11:01:33 GMT -5
I didn't like the idea of a title being decided by a random battle royal on free TV. I'd rather they did a mini-tourney with the finals at Backlash. I guess they wanted it settled before the draft though. I wouldn’t call Becky winning hot shotting since like, the only reason she won was because Rhea is gonna be out for what, the rest of the year? I think Liv takes it from her at Summerslam in an actual “I’m a heel now” way with Dom or JD helping her cheat to win there. Her winning in a random battle royal doesn’t mean jack imo. Supposedly Rhea is only going to be out around 4-5 months so I am inclined to believe that she is returning around Summerslam. Summerslam is early again this year (Aug 3) so going by that timeline she'd be unlikely to make it. Of course a lot of times they exaggerate/kayfabe expected recovery times so it seems more impressive when they return sooner. If Rhea was only going to be out 1-2 months I think Liv would have won it immediately then dropped it back to Rhea. If it's really 4-5 months for Rhea though then yeah frankly that seems too long for a Liv Morgan world title reign. Who other than Becky can she can have a 15-20 minute PPV quality match with? I think you keep the title on Becky for these European PPVs then drop it to Liv around MITB or a month or two before Rhea is due to return.
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Post by clc on Apr 23, 2024 11:07:04 GMT -5
I agree with the first part. They really did a poor job with the women for the past few years.
The rest of it is a bit unfair becasue this is an audible due to injury...but that goes back to that first part. They only care about 3.5 (now 4.5) women. Charlotte, Rhea, Bianca, (now) Jade, and Becky is the 0.5. The entire division is there to make those few look good. So when Charlotte got hurt, and Rhea got hurt, their plan B's were not built up at all. They are lucky to have Becky be there and still be popular enough to throw the belt on her in a pinch.
The booking of that battle Royal says maybe they have not learned the lesson since they Super Beckyed a win and kind of made the rest look bad. But make no mistake Becky was the only viable option from RAW.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 23, 2024 11:28:41 GMT -5
The fact that Liv eliminated Jade and Bianca from the Rumble. And Tiffany beat Naomi CLEAN on SD.
Yet Triple H made sure Jade, Bianca, and Naomi got on the Mania card anyway while Liv and Tiffany got nothing, is a really bad look as well.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 23, 2024 11:31:05 GMT -5
Even so, if the end goal is Liv with the title when Rhea comes back, doesn’t it make sense to have Becky and Liv feud for a few months in the interim? On the other hand, waiting until the last minute before Rhea comes back to throw the belt on Liv doesn’t do her any favors either. She needs a proper run with it before that. Why does Liv need a long run before Rhea comes back? I doubt that Liv was even going to win the title at all if Rhea was healthy.
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Post by mistery on Apr 23, 2024 11:46:03 GMT -5
On the other hand, waiting until the last minute before Rhea comes back to throw the belt on Liv doesn’t do her any favors either. She needs a proper run with it before that. Why does Liv need a long run before Rhea comes back? I doubt that Liv was even going to win the title at all if Rhea was healthy. I can't believe we found common ground on something, but this is basically 100% true. There was basically zero chance Liv was getting that title if Rhea was healthy. The "Liv Morgan Revenge Tour" thing is absolutely ice cold. And there's no reason to believe that she's going to get an actual meaningful boost from this once Rhea returns either. Because that's the problem with Liv. She's over with fans online, but when it comes to actual live audiences, they don't care about her. At all. Hell, she got an anti-pop when she returned at the Rumble this year.
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Apr 23, 2024 11:54:02 GMT -5
Becky is starting to become another Charlotte for me, with the annoying titles wins. To be fair this was a total audible since Rhea was injured. This win perhaps makes sense if Liv beats her for the belt I suppose.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 23, 2024 11:54:49 GMT -5
Liv winning the title in such a cheap way would've gotten her more heat, IMO. Way more fun than her winning it legit in a 20 minute one on one with Becky. Maybe if it was her first-ever title win, I'd care about that. Just my thoughts. I doubt Liv beats Becky legit. More likely through some sort of shenanigans, I'd say.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 23, 2024 12:32:32 GMT -5
Why does Liv need a long run before Rhea comes back? I doubt that Liv was even going to win the title at all if Rhea was healthy. I can't believe we found common ground on something, but this is basically 100% true. There was basically zero chance Liv was getting that title if Rhea was healthy. The "Liv Morgan Revenge Tour" thing is absolutely ice cold. And there's no reason to believe that she's going to get an actual meaningful boost from this once Rhea returns either. Because that's the problem with Liv. She's over with fans online, but when it comes to actual live audiences, they don't care about her. At all. Hell, she got an anti-pop when she returned at the Rumble this year. I mean I wouldn’t really say we agree on what you just wrote. I think Liv is plenty over, there may be some selective hearing going on. I just don’t think she was intended to beat Rhea (rightly or wrongly).
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Post by tagteammatchplaya on Apr 23, 2024 12:41:03 GMT -5
The video has more dislikes than likes on youtube, they are really showing WWE that they are very upset they released Von Wagner
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Post by 4real on Apr 23, 2024 12:54:46 GMT -5
Wasn’t a great match no. Barely anyone in that match had a chance of winning. A who’s who of who cares.
Becky was the best choice. I know it won’t make a lot of people happy but hey. Liv winning here wouldn’t make sense storyline wise if they are making her the female Drew McIntyre. The “Forever Runner Up” line by Rhea obviously shows there will be a pay off for Liv eventually.
I assume Becky was going to beat Rhea eventually. The fact she won the title without beating Rhea is also something you can play up.
Obviously Chelsea Green should have won but with Adam Pearce in charge that was never happening.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 23, 2024 13:44:11 GMT -5
On the other hand, waiting until the last minute before Rhea comes back to throw the belt on Liv doesn’t do her any favors either. She needs a proper run with it before that. Why does Liv need a long run before Rhea comes back? I doubt that Liv was even going to win the title at all if Rhea was healthy. Who cares what was going to happen. They’ve stumble on a story NOW, so run with it. Let Liv have an actually run as a heel champion before Rhea comes back. It would make their grudge match feel even bigger.
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