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Post by Billie Gein on Apr 27, 2024 6:35:46 GMT -5
Tony and Eric honestly have a lot in common
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 27, 2024 7:16:20 GMT -5
Tony and Eric honestly have a lot in common They’re all carnies at heart.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 27, 2024 7:20:53 GMT -5
Good lord is this squared circle with all the concern troll pearl clutching? Let's be real. It was an amazing fake out. It hasn't ruined any goodwill except for the fake goodwill that never existed from the drone keyboard warriors. Get ummm TK. It's getting really tiring being called a 'concern troll' or 'bad faith' anytime I say anything remotely negative about this company. Calling someone a concern troll or saying they’re posting in bad faith is the go-to move in this forum, unfortunately even after all these years (it was much more prevalent in the earlier days of AEW).
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 27, 2024 8:16:01 GMT -5
My two cents: the nice guy boss being bullied by the jerks could work, it has before. But it just doesn’t in this case for a variety of reasons. And kayfabe does still have its place-but this isn’t it. At the height of Austin/McMahon, Vince would go around in public in a neck brace or with crutches to sell it, but it was such a red hot, compelling story, even at its most absurd, that you could get lost in it. Tony is nowhere near that over and has exposed himself as a mark many times over. His antics feel lame, not entertaining.
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Post by gentlemengreg1 on Apr 27, 2024 8:34:22 GMT -5
My two cents: the nice guy boss being bullied by the jerks could work, it has before. But it just doesn’t in this case for a variety of reasons. And kayfabe does still have its place-but this isn’t it. At the height of Austin/McMahon, Vince would go around in public in a neck brace or with crutches to sell it, but it was such a red hot, compelling story, even at its most absurd, that you could get lost in it. Tony is nowhere near that over and has exposed himself as a mark many times over. His antics feel lame, not entertaining. It was fun. It was fantastic. Omega is going to get beat up in Winnipeg by Okada this Wednesday….super heat is being built for super elite. I get it. Lots of people don’t want to admit their take that the All-In footage of Punk-Perry should not have been shown. People doubling down on their soon to be obvious bad takes. This angle…..this storyline is working. So many people are conditioned now just to bleep all over AEW that have forgotten the plot. The plot is fun, interesting professional wrestling with guy and gals who can go in the ring and tell us a story. Increase in tickets sales will soon follow. Increase in ratings will soon follow. New AEW media deal will soon follow. More fake pear clutching will soon follow.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Apr 27, 2024 8:48:17 GMT -5
It's getting really tiring being called a 'concern troll' or 'bad faith' anytime I say anything remotely negative about this company. Calling someone a concern troll or saying they’re posting in bad faith is the go-to move in this forum, unfortunately even after all these years (it was much more prevalent in the earlier days of AEW). Is every criticism of AEW posted on this forum posted by bad faith actor or ‘concern troll’? - No. Does the term getting throw around a lot invalidate the fact that those types of posters are showing up more and more frequently to stir shit around here? - also No. let’s not kid ourselves here. While the bad faith actors might not be the engagement bots that dominate Twitter the r/squarecircle types are definitely showing up here more and more…and not just here, but literally anywhere and everywhere people might discuss wrestling. Basically, Tony’s comments about AEW being under constant attack from coordinated efforts/ paid bots may have made for some funny memes/shit posts around here but that doesn’t make them any less (potentially) true. Example 1; whatculture.com/wwe/tony-khan-was-right-aew-is-under-constant-attackExample 2; www.reddit.com/r/AEWOfficial/s/pFnP0v84dv(This is a discussion about the ‘Voices of Wrestling’ pod episode that went IN on all of this a week or so ago. But the discussion/comment thread provided MANY damning/hard to argue against examples. Basically, these folks brought receipts.) End of the day, I try to stay out of the fray minus what I’m (probably) known for around here (the occasional shit post via a random gif when I’m not posting on mobile and I’m actually on the forum on my MacBook) and just enjoy f***ing professional wrestling. But I’m also not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend this shit isn’t happening. Not saying that’s what you’re doing - as I recently said I may not always agree with your takes, but I respect that you’re always respectful about it in my experience - just making that statement in general.
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Post by SneakMan on Apr 27, 2024 8:57:34 GMT -5
Calling someone a concern troll or saying they’re posting in bad faith is the go-to move in this forum, unfortunately even after all these years (it was much more prevalent in the earlier days of AEW). Is every criticism of AEW posted on this forum posted by bad faith actor or ‘concern troll’? - No. Does the term getting throw around a lot invalidate the fact that those types of posters are showing up more and more frequently to stir shit around here? - also No. let’s not kid ourselves here. While the bad faith actors might not be the engagement bots that dominate Twitter the r/squarecircle types are definitely showing up here more and more…and not just here, but literally anywhere and everywhere people might discuss wrestling. Basically, Tony’s comments about AEW being under constant attack from coordinated efforts/ paid bots may have made for some funny memes/shit posts around here but that doesn’t make them any less (potentially) true. Example 1; whatculture.com/wwe/tony-khan-was-right-aew-is-under-constant-attackExample 2; www.reddit.com/r/AEWOfficial/s/pFnP0v84dv(This is a discussion about the ‘Voices of Wrestling’ pod episode that went IN on all of this a week or so ago. But the discussion/comment thread provided MANY damning/hard to argue against examples. Basically, these folks brought receipts.) End of the day, I try to stay out of the fray minus what I’m (probably) known for around here (the occasional shit post via a random gif when I’m not posting on mobile and I’m actually on the forum on my MacBook) and just enjoy f***ing professional wrestling. But I’m also not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend this shit isn’t happening. Not saying that’s what you’re doing - as I recently said I may not always agree with your takes, but I respect that you’re always respectful about it in my experience - just making that statement in general. Nah, that doofus who never posts in the AEW section trying to relitigate the Punk drama before this thread had even hit page 10 was being totally sincere and if you can’t see that you’re just overly sensitive and can’t handle criticism of The Dub.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 27, 2024 9:04:13 GMT -5
Calling someone a concern troll or saying they’re posting in bad faith is the go-to move in this forum, unfortunately even after all these years (it was much more prevalent in the earlier days of AEW). Is every criticism of AEW posted on this forum posted by bad faith actor or ‘concern troll’? - No. Does the term getting throw around a lot invalidate the fact that those types of posters are showing up more and more frequently to stir shit around here? - also No. let’s not kid ourselves here. While the bad faith actors might not be the engagement bots that dominate Twitter the r/squarecircle types are definitely showing up here more and more…and not just here, but literally anywhere and everywhere people might discuss wrestling. Basically, Tony’s comments about AEW being under constant attack from coordinated efforts/ paid bots may have made for some funny memes/shit posts around here but that doesn’t make them any less (potentially) true. Example 1; whatculture.com/wwe/tony-khan-was-right-aew-is-under-constant-attackExample 2; www.reddit.com/r/AEWOfficial/s/pFnP0v84dv(This is a discussion about the ‘Voices of Wrestling’ pod episode that went IN on all of this a week or so ago. But the discussion/comment thread provided MANY damning/hard to argue against examples. Basically, these folks brought receipts.) End of the day, I try to stay out of the fray minus what I’m (probably) known for around here (the occasional shit post via a random gif when I’m not posting on mobile and I’m actually on the forum on my MacBook) and just enjoy f***ing professional wrestling. But I’m also not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend this shit isn’t happening. Not saying that’s what you’re doing - as I recently said I may not always agree with your takes, but I respect that you’re always respectful about it in my experience - just making that statement in general. I think it’d be less divisive to report and/or call out specific individual posters then, considering it’s usually extremely sparse here. Rather than making generalized posts about how the concern trolls and bad faith posters are running rampant, which kind of creates an uninviting atmosphere for anyone posting criticism (reminiscent of the board in early AEW days) . Also, I highly doubt there are any coordinated/paid bots posting here on FAN.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 27, 2024 9:13:36 GMT -5
Is every criticism of AEW posted on this forum posted by bad faith actor or ‘concern troll’? - No. Does the term getting throw around a lot invalidate the fact that those types of posters are showing up more and more frequently to stir shit around here? - also No. let’s not kid ourselves here. While the bad faith actors might not be the engagement bots that dominate Twitter the r/squarecircle types are definitely showing up here more and more…and not just here, but literally anywhere and everywhere people might discuss wrestling. Basically, Tony’s comments about AEW being under constant attack from coordinated efforts/ paid bots may have made for some funny memes/shit posts around here but that doesn’t make them any less (potentially) true. Example 1; whatculture.com/wwe/tony-khan-was-right-aew-is-under-constant-attackExample 2; www.reddit.com/r/AEWOfficial/s/pFnP0v84dv(This is a discussion about the ‘Voices of Wrestling’ pod episode that went IN on all of this a week or so ago. But the discussion/comment thread provided MANY damning/hard to argue against examples. Basically, these folks brought receipts.) End of the day, I try to stay out of the fray minus what I’m (probably) known for around here (the occasional shit post via a random gif when I’m not posting on mobile and I’m actually on the forum on my MacBook) and just enjoy f***ing professional wrestling. But I’m also not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend this shit isn’t happening. Not saying that’s what you’re doing - as I recently said I may not always agree with your takes, but I respect that you’re always respectful about it in my experience - just making that statement in general. I think it’d be less divisive to report and/or call out specific individual posters then, considering it’s usually extremely sparse here. Rather than making generalized posts about how the concern trolls and bad faith posters are running rampant, which kind of creates an uninviting atmosphere for anyone posting criticism (reminiscent of the board in early AEW days) . Also, I highly doubt there are any coordinated/paid bots posting here on FAN. I doubt anyone would be paid to give their opinion here or advertise any products, that would be extremely uncool. I think we should sit down in our Herman Miller chairs with a nice cold, refreshing yet affordable can of Cerveza CRYSTAL and really think this one over.
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Post by SneakMan on Apr 27, 2024 9:18:33 GMT -5
I think it’d be less divisive to report and/or call out specific individual posters then, considering it’s usually extremely sparse here. Rather than making generalized posts about how the concern trolls and bad faith posters are running rampant, which kind of creates an uninviting atmosphere for anyone posting criticism (reminiscent of the board in early AEW days) . Also, I highly doubt there are any coordinated/paid bots posting here on FAN. Reporting posts doesn’t seem to do anything unless the post in question is blatant trolling or bigotry, and the last time I made a post (which got a bunch of likes) calling for a specific user to get banned or at least section-banned for being an obvious concern troll, one of the mods got pissed, called us all children and locked the thread. Feeling like nothing gets done about the people who show up here quite obviously just to start shit also creates an uninviting atmosphere.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 27, 2024 9:34:45 GMT -5
I'm only speaking for myself, but I've never felt that I can't criticise AEW on here. I've also never been called a concern troll or bad faith poster in the process either.
I think everyone (myself included) could do with looking at the wording of their posts sometimes to see if they're being unnecessarily abrasive in their choice of words. That goes for criticising things, praising things, and communicating with other posters. Half of the problems on here come from people deliberately stirring shit and the other half comes from accidental bad wording.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 27, 2024 9:45:52 GMT -5
I'm only speaking for myself, but I've never felt that I can't criticise AEW on here. I've also never been called a concern troll or bad faith poster in the process either. I think everyone (myself included) could do with looking at the wording of their posts sometimes to see if they're being unnecessarily abrasive in their choice of words. That goes for criticising things, praising things, and communicating with other posters. Half of the problems on here come from people deliberately stirring shit and the other half comes from accidental bad wording. I mean the poster that started this basically said he can’t believe Tony ruined his goodwill this way and then was immediately called out for “concert troll pearl clutching” and being compared to being on Reddit. I’m not sure in what way that post begot the other.
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Post by fw91 on Apr 27, 2024 9:54:21 GMT -5
Whilst I do think his comments weren't necessary, I don't really get some of the...''over-the-top'' reactions personally. That's how I feel about all comments companies make about the other.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 27, 2024 10:03:12 GMT -5
I'm only speaking for myself, but I've never felt that I can't criticise AEW on here. I've also never been called a concern troll or bad faith poster in the process either. I think everyone (myself included) could do with looking at the wording of their posts sometimes to see if they're being unnecessarily abrasive in their choice of words. That goes for criticising things, praising things, and communicating with other posters. Half of the problems on here come from people deliberately stirring shit and the other half comes from accidental bad wording. I have but it was more to one person. But I'm also usually a fan. And I certainly can be too abrasive too
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Post by Dub H on Apr 27, 2024 10:05:40 GMT -5
Is every criticism of AEW posted on this forum posted by bad faith actor or ‘concern troll’? - No. Does the term getting throw around a lot invalidate the fact that those types of posters are showing up more and more frequently to stir shit around here? - also No. let’s not kid ourselves here. While the bad faith actors might not be the engagement bots that dominate Twitter the r/squarecircle types are definitely showing up here more and more…and not just here, but literally anywhere and everywhere people might discuss wrestling. Basically, Tony’s comments about AEW being under constant attack from coordinated efforts/ paid bots may have made for some funny memes/shit posts around here but that doesn’t make them any less (potentially) true. Example 1; whatculture.com/wwe/tony-khan-was-right-aew-is-under-constant-attackExample 2; www.reddit.com/r/AEWOfficial/s/pFnP0v84dv(This is a discussion about the ‘Voices of Wrestling’ pod episode that went IN on all of this a week or so ago. But the discussion/comment thread provided MANY damning/hard to argue against examples. Basically, these folks brought receipts.) End of the day, I try to stay out of the fray minus what I’m (probably) known for around here (the occasional shit post via a random gif when I’m not posting on mobile and I’m actually on the forum on my MacBook) and just enjoy f***ing professional wrestling. But I’m also not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend this shit isn’t happening. Not saying that’s what you’re doing - as I recently said I may not always agree with your takes, but I respect that you’re always respectful about it in my experience - just making that statement in general. Nah, that doofus who never posts in the AEW section trying to relitigate the Punk drama before this thread had even hit page 10 was being totally sincere and if you can’t see that you’re just overly sensitive and can’t handle criticism of The Dub. Don't you dare criticize me!
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 27, 2024 10:16:06 GMT -5
I'm only speaking for myself, but I've never felt that I can't criticise AEW on here. I've also never been called a concern troll or bad faith poster in the process either. I think everyone (myself included) could do with looking at the wording of their posts sometimes to see if they're being unnecessarily abrasive in their choice of words. That goes for criticising things, praising things, and communicating with other posters. Half of the problems on here come from people deliberately stirring shit and the other half comes from accidental bad wording. I mean the poster that started this basically said he can’t believe Tony ruined his goodwill this way and then was immediately called out for “concert troll pearl clutching” and being compared to being on Reddit. I’m not sure in what way that post begot the other. That's why I didn't just limit my comment to negativity, but also to postivity and speaking to other posters. I wasn't directing my comment to any single poster at all. That's what my entire second paragraph was about.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Apr 27, 2024 10:16:48 GMT -5
Quite frankly, if we’re going to compare FAN to the internet at large, it’s dead in the middle.
You GENUINELY cannot hold an opinion that is anything less than “Tony Khan is a nepobaby coke head who is wasting his dad’s money and creating the single worst professional wrestling product to ever exist” without getting downvoted into oblivion on r/squaredcircle.
You GENUINELY cannot even make a criticism as milquetoast as “maybe TK shouldn’t have evoked Harvey Weinstein’s name during a fleeting moment of national press coverage” without getting downvoted into oblivion on r/AEWofficial.
This place, by and large, fosters reasonable discussion on this stuff without turning something as silly as which fake fighting organization you prefer into a presidential election, which is the absolute state of the IWC at large right now .
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Post by BRV on Apr 27, 2024 11:00:51 GMT -5
I really don't get it. Was what he said stupid, maybe, I can see rolling your eyes at it. The reaction TK has gotten though makes it seem like he went "We're like Pepsi and they're a blood cult worshipping Ottis Toole and feasting on the innards of 9th trimester aborted fetuses" I mean, getting national exposure and using it to crack a joke comparing your competition to one of the most famous serial rapists on the planet is certainly a choice. I think it just goes to show how thin his skin is. This all started because of CM Punk's comments with Ariel Helwani, and now the discourse has devolved to the point where Tony Khan is using his spotlight to make that kind of joke.
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Post by khali on Apr 27, 2024 11:05:53 GMT -5
Quite frankly, if we’re going to compare FAN to the internet at large, it’s dead in the middle. You GENUINELY cannot hold an opinion that is anything less than “Tony Khan is a nepobaby coke head who is wasting his dad’s money and creating the single worst professional wrestling product to ever exist” without getting downvoted into oblivion on r/squaredcircle. You GENUINELY cannot even make a criticism as milquetoast as “maybe TK shouldn’t have evoked Harvey Weinstein’s name during a fleeting moment of national press coverage” without getting downvoted into oblivion on r/AEWofficial. This place, by and large, fosters reasonable discussion on this stuff without turning something as silly as which fake fighting organization you prefer into a presidential election, which is the absolute state of the IWC at large right now . The funniest part about r/squaredcircle is that even any faintest component about TK must be framed in a way like you’re talking about a horrible person. Stuff like “TK is no saint and has many problems, but that Brodie Lee tribute show was nice at least.”
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Post by government mule on Apr 27, 2024 11:40:14 GMT -5
YOU DID WHAT WITH MY MONEY?! OH YOU'RE NOT HURT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS ISN'T REAL? TAKE THAT OFF YOU ASSHOLE ...... WAIT, YOU SAID WHAT TO THE MEDIA?! GO TO YOUR ROOM Son, I'm sending you to Fulham...
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