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Post by bdon on Apr 25, 2024 19:12:32 GMT -5
I think if you're worried about titles being meaningless then putting them on Okada and Ospreay is a pretty f***ing good way to make them mean more. I presume the Evil Uno shout is just in jest because when has he ever competed for any singles title, or someone of his level looked like winning one. AEW have such a stacked roster the challengers Okada and Ospreay would face will likely be very strong, case in point Pac at Dynasty where the title didn't feel meaningless at all. There's a lot of guys that can't compete for the world title all the time that can challenge Okada or Ospreay. Even if you're someone who didn't enjoy Roddy vs Kyle (and the crowd did seem to enjoy it, it was objectively an excellent match) it wasn't exactly a lifetime ago that Orange Cassidy had the belt feeling like a massive deal in his first reign. The man makes the belt a lot of the time, so putting them on some of their best guys who aren't going to be in the world title picture for a while, for different reasons, is a really interesting way to go IMO. The problem is no one, not even Tony’s biggest fans, have any faith in him keeping title shots strictly for B+ level characters. Case in point: Kyle Fletcher last night. Tony LOVES random ass matches where this character not involved in any meaningful PPV storylines just wrestles a title holder for no reason. That kind of stuff waters down the title and the A+ character.
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Post by stan1337 on Apr 26, 2024 5:30:38 GMT -5
I was shocked that Ospreay won that match last night. Feels like such a step down. Can’t have too much too soon, I suppose. I get it helps establish the title having big stars winning them, but between Okada with the Continental title and Ospreay with the International title it’s like they’re having their biggest main eventers win their most meaningless titles. It’s an odd one, cos if (when) Ospreay wins it, won’t it mean he’s going to end up in feuds and matches with lower card guys? And then who do they have him lose it to, like..Evil Uno or someone? Clearly you do not watch the product. It is literally the #2 singles belt. OC held in it two long reigns and Jon Moxley is a former champ. Talking about evil uno winning the international get the f*** out of here with your trolling.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 26, 2024 6:42:22 GMT -5
Nothing against Roddy but Ospreay should win this. The Undisputed Kingdom sucks without Cole (and isn't particularly good even with him) and it would keep Ospreay in regular marquee matches
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 26, 2024 6:48:48 GMT -5
I get Roddy is cold as ice, but getting the title off him and back on someone credible like Ospreay is the best idea. That way you're not rushing him to the main event scene, gives Strickland time to establish his title reign, and gets the title back on someone who'll defend it regularly again.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 26, 2024 8:04:04 GMT -5
You don't have to love Roddy but in AEW, he has been presented as a killer and worthy of a spot like this. He has already beaten during his time in AEW:
- Jericho - Garcia - Darby - Orange - Kyle
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 26, 2024 8:11:15 GMT -5
Can’t have too much too soon, I suppose. I get it helps establish the title having big stars winning them, but between Okada with the Continental title and Ospreay with the International title it’s like they’re having their biggest main eventers win their most meaningless titles. It’s an odd one, cos if (when) Ospreay wins it, won’t it mean he’s going to end up in feuds and matches with lower card guys? And then who do they have him lose it to, like..Evil Uno or someone? Clearly you do not watch the product. It is literally the #2 singles belt. OC held in it two long reigns and Jon Moxley is a former champ. Talking about evil uno winning the international get the f*** out of here with your trolling. So, hey, this is a totally reasonable reaction
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 26, 2024 10:08:33 GMT -5
You don't have to love Roddy but in AEW, he has been presented as a killer and worthy of a spot like this. He has already beaten during his time in AEW: - Jericho - Garcia - Darby - Orange - Kyle He doesn’t really come off as credible despite this, though. At least in my view of the product. He comes off as a “good hand” low to mid card mechanic type.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Apr 26, 2024 10:25:38 GMT -5
I was surprised he was in the match never mind won it but I’m thinking it leads to vs Cole which then feeds into the Cole vs Wardlow storyline and Ospreay can also defend the international title actually internationally on a regular basis
I could be way off obviously
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 26, 2024 10:48:54 GMT -5
Anyone else think Ospreay will hold the world and international titles together after All In? I kinda imagine he loses the International title to someone who'll be one of his challengers once he becomes world champion.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 26, 2024 10:51:52 GMT -5
Clearly you do not watch the product. It is literally the #2 singles belt. OC held in it two long reigns and Jon Moxley is a former champ. Talking about evil uno winning the international get the f*** out of here with your trolling. So, hey, this is a totally reasonable reaction It's too heated, which sucks because it'd otherwise be pretty spot on. Evil Uno isn't someone in that division really at all, and is just being thrown out there as a dismissive example. But yeah, a point that'd be made better with a cool head.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 26, 2024 10:58:17 GMT -5
So, hey, this is a totally reasonable reaction It's too heated, which sucks because it'd otherwise be pretty spot on. Evil Uno isn't someone in that division really at all, and is just being thrown out there as a dismissive example. But yeah, a point that'd be made better with a cool head. Yeah I disagree with what banana was saying (I usually do) but it really was a tone problem If there's one thing that AEW does less than a lot of other promotions, it's rocketing people to the main event immediately so they have nowhere to go other than that, and I think that is a key positive for then. If Ospreay immediate just is in the world title picture either he or Swerve needs to start losing when they're both very hot and that's just a bad choice
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 26, 2024 11:03:47 GMT -5
It's too heated, which sucks because it'd otherwise be pretty spot on. Evil Uno isn't someone in that division really at all, and is just being thrown out there as a dismissive example. But yeah, a point that'd be made better with a cool head. Yeah I disagree with what banana was saying (I usually do) but it really was a tone problem If there's one thing that AEW does less than a lot of other promotions, it's rocketing people to the main event immediately so they have nowhere to go other than that, and I think that is a key positive for then. If Ospreay immediate just is in the world title picture either he or Swerve needs to start losing when they're both very hot and that's just a bad choice It sort of reminds me of, for all of their faults, WCW having guys like Luger, Sting, etc, give a shit about the US title during some of the stronger booked periods for WCW, and not just have everyone crowding the world title and never drifting from there.
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Post by Instant Classic on Apr 26, 2024 11:04:58 GMT -5
Is the international title really more important than the TNT title?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 26, 2024 11:05:03 GMT -5
Yeah I disagree with what banana was saying (I usually do) but it really was a tone problem If there's one thing that AEW does less than a lot of other promotions, it's rocketing people to the main event immediately so they have nowhere to go other than that, and I think that is a key positive for then. If Ospreay immediate just is in the world title picture either he or Swerve needs to start losing when they're both very hot and that's just a bad choice It sort of reminds me of, for all of their faults, WCW having guys like Luger, Sting, etc, give a shit about the US title during some of the stronger booked periods for WCW, and not just have everyone crowding the world title and never drifting from there. Yeah I actually think AEW having all their titles booked so strong only really feels like an issue because they have too many. Thinking only the world title matters feels to me like WWE brain rot
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 26, 2024 11:05:59 GMT -5
Is the international title really more important than the TNT title? I feel like their most prolific main event star having a blood feud over it including main eventing a PPV would suggest yes, it is
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 26, 2024 11:06:03 GMT -5
Is the international title really more important than the TNT title? Christian has really helped but yeah I think it is
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 26, 2024 11:09:50 GMT -5
Is the international title really more important than the TNT title? I think it’s fluctuated based on who is holding it. Right now, I’d say the TNT title feels more important, but the International Title felt more important when Moxley and OC were feuding over it.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 26, 2024 11:45:11 GMT -5
I mean, the only International champs so far are Pac, OC, Mox and Rey Fenix, with Fenix being an emergency choice. When OC was champ it was easily one of the main attractions of the TV shows. I don't think it's been doing as well recently as the Mox injury and putting it back on OC only for him to lose to Strong wasn't the best idea, but overall, I think it's been better handled than the TNT title.
It wasn't that long ago we had a thread about the TNT title being a thot because it was being hotshot so much, after all. Christian did wonders for that title.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 26, 2024 11:48:07 GMT -5
It sort of reminds me of, for all of their faults, WCW having guys like Luger, Sting, etc, give a shit about the US title during some of the stronger booked periods for WCW, and not just have everyone crowding the world title and never drifting from there. Yeah I actually think AEW having all their titles booked so strong only really feels like an issue because they have too many. Thinking only the world title matters feels to me like WWE brain rot My view is that Khan doesn't put a belt, any belt, on someone he wouldn't put in a TV main event. (Anyone I could think of as a counterexample has at least main evented Rampage, and some of the absolute weakest champions, the Gunns and SCU, have in fact main evented Dynamite.) That's great for the most part, since it means any title someone holds feels like a pretty big deal - there's intent for a big push in every title reign, even when it doesn't work. I think it's made the two tag divisions a bit less interesting, though - Khan's idea of "serious main event tag team" takes away from teams that could make either of those divisions more interesting and flavorful.
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Post by Soultastic on Apr 26, 2024 13:51:31 GMT -5
You don't have to love Roddy but in AEW, he has been presented as a killer and worthy of a spot like this. He has already beaten during his time in AEW: - Jericho - Garcia - Darby - Orange - Kyle I know I don't have to love him but I still do.
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