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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Apr 26, 2024 14:23:02 GMT -5
Is the international title really more important than the TNT title? A few months ago? Sure and having Osprey go after it would make sense After Christians run and Strongs runs respectively, not even close IMO
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Post by stan1337 on Apr 26, 2024 15:55:25 GMT -5
It's too heated, which sucks because it'd otherwise be pretty spot on. Evil Uno isn't someone in that division really at all, and is just being thrown out there as a dismissive example. But yeah, a point that'd be made better with a cool head. Yeah I disagree with what banana was saying (I usually do) but it really was a tone problem If there's one thing that AEW does less than a lot of other promotions, it's rocketing people to the main event immediately so they have nowhere to go other than that, and I think that is a key positive for then. If Ospreay immediate just is in the world title picture either he or Swerve needs to start losing when they're both very hot and that's just a bad choice My apologies to all three of you. I should have reread and edited. It is exhausting to hear complaints with no basis in the reality of the product. However, it is not an excuse to act like a troll myself. Again sorry for the outburst I will keep my clapbacks civil.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 26, 2024 15:59:18 GMT -5
Is the international title really more important than the TNT title? A few months ago? Sure and having Osprey go after it would make sense After Christians run and Strongs runs respectively, not even close IMO Roddy's run did not tank the International Title THAT much, he's only held it for like two months, and put on great matches for it every time mind you. Christian's TNT Title reign ruled though, I'd say they're on even ground.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Apr 26, 2024 16:37:12 GMT -5
Roddy rules. I will not stand for the slander!
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Post by government mule on Apr 27, 2024 14:03:28 GMT -5
Roddy is my boy in the ring. I personally hope he beats that bruv
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Post by wankah on Apr 27, 2024 15:12:29 GMT -5
Bruv all the way
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 29, 2024 10:29:01 GMT -5
A few months ago? Sure and having Osprey go after it would make sense After Christians run and Strongs runs respectively, not even close IMO Roddy's run did not tank the International Title THAT much, he's only held it for like two months, and put on great matches for it every time mind you. Christian's TNT Title reign ruled though, I'd say they're on even ground. TNT feels more important now because of Christian and Copeland holding it, as opposed to Roddy. But both probably feel like a step too low for Ospreay right now. I feel like he’s their best chance for a breakthrough megastar on the roster, he’s coming off of a highly praised match with a main eventer in Danielson. And now, instead of continuing that hot streak and megapush, he’s being shuffled down to face Roddy for one of the company’s 3 midcard men’s titles. Might not be a big issue in the long run if they can still hold and/or recapture that buzz with Ospreay down the line but for this PPV cycle at least it feels like they’re hitting the brakes.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 29, 2024 10:37:20 GMT -5
Roddy rules. I will not stand for the slander! He was easily the best of the "Clone Wars" era ROH top guys, to me. Damning with faint praise perhaps, but I like him.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 29, 2024 10:54:51 GMT -5
A few months ago? Sure and having Osprey go after it would make sense After Christians run and Strongs runs respectively, not even close IMO Roddy's run did not tank the International Title THAT much, he's only held it for like two months, and put on great matches for it every time mind you. Christian's TNT Title reign ruled though, I'd say they're on even ground. I think the bigger issue is more or less that Adam Cole's injury was slowed down just from having him travel to shows so they didn't use him as much. As great as Roddy is in the ring he just isn't usually interesting enough to carry a program. Doesn't mean he isn't good and not useful (I think the International title was as much a reward for him getting over as anything) but I also think booking as kind of seen that the UK is pretty useless without Cole being able to do much. Also as good as Roddy is, you can't go from OC/Mox feud to Roddy. He can go as well as them in the ring but... yeah.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Apr 29, 2024 11:05:56 GMT -5
Roddy rules. I will not stand for the slander! He was easily the best of the "Clone Wars" era ROH top guys, to me. Damning with faint praise perhaps, but I like him. I think he’s incredible in the ring, especially after being at it for so long. I know he’s not exciting on the mic, but I’m not too concerned about that cuz once he’s in the ring, he’s captivating to watch. I hated the “comedy” stuff they were doing with him last year. It felt like dancing Lance storm or double ho seven Dean Malenko. At least it got him a little more over though
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 29, 2024 15:31:08 GMT -5
Roddy's run did not tank the International Title THAT much, he's only held it for like two months, and put on great matches for it every time mind you. Christian's TNT Title reign ruled though, I'd say they're on even ground. TNT feels more important now because of Christian and Copeland holding it, as opposed to Roddy. But both probably feel like a step too low for Ospreay right now. I feel like he’s their best chance for a breakthrough megastar on the roster, he’s coming off of a highly praised match with a main eventer in Danielson. And now, instead of continuing that hot streak and megapush, he’s being shuffled down to face Roddy for one of the company’s 3 midcard men’s titles. Might not be a big issue in the long run if they can still hold and/or recapture that buzz with Ospreay down the line but for this PPV cycle at least it feels like they’re hitting the brakes. Idk what you're talking about with the "Recapture the buzz" thing, Ospreay hasn't and will not lose momentum by feuding with Strong. It's not the feud you clearly want to see, but given how over Will is, this will likely elevate Strong and the International Title in the exact way Christian and Copeland have with the TNT. And isn't that what you want for championships? Ospreay's absolutely fine and will compete for the world title, but Swerve should probably get a bit of a run first before we run this likely at All In.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 29, 2024 16:47:45 GMT -5
TNT feels more important now because of Christian and Copeland holding it, as opposed to Roddy. But both probably feel like a step too low for Ospreay right now. I feel like he’s their best chance for a breakthrough megastar on the roster, he’s coming off of a highly praised match with a main eventer in Danielson. And now, instead of continuing that hot streak and megapush, he’s being shuffled down to face Roddy for one of the company’s 3 midcard men’s titles. Might not be a big issue in the long run if they can still hold and/or recapture that buzz with Ospreay down the line but for this PPV cycle at least it feels like they’re hitting the brakes. Idk what you're talking about with the "Recapture the buzz" thing, Ospreay hasn't and will not lose momentum by feuding with Strong. It's not the feud you clearly want to see, but given how over Will is, this will likely elevate Strong and the International Title in the exact way Christian and Copeland have with the TNT. And isn't that what you want for championships? Ospreay's absolutely fine and will compete for the world title, but Swerve should probably get a bit of a run first before we run this likely at All In. He “will not lose momentum” is your opinion, and I disagree with it as I think there’s a chance he does. Maybe he won’t but it’s certainly not the way I’d book someone on the way up to potential megastardom. Copeland and Christian are on the tail end of their HOF careers, so using them to elevate a title makes sense. Someone like Ospreay is on his way up, he shouldn’t be used to elevate a midcard title, IMO.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 29, 2024 19:07:16 GMT -5
Idk what you're talking about with the "Recapture the buzz" thing, Ospreay hasn't and will not lose momentum by feuding with Strong. It's not the feud you clearly want to see, but given how over Will is, this will likely elevate Strong and the International Title in the exact way Christian and Copeland have with the TNT. And isn't that what you want for championships? Ospreay's absolutely fine and will compete for the world title, but Swerve should probably get a bit of a run first before we run this likely at All In. He “will not lose momentum” is your opinion, and I disagree with it as I think there’s a chance he does. Maybe he won’t but it’s certainly not the way I’d book someone on the way up to potential megastardom. Copeland and Christian are on the tail end of their HOF careers, so using them to elevate a title makes sense. Someone like Ospreay is on his way up, he shouldn’t be used to elevate a midcard title, IMO. Belt's already important, but if he were to become a champion it'd make it even more of a lineage The PAC, Orange, and Mox reigns make this a good belt worth going after imo
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 29, 2024 20:55:48 GMT -5
He was easily the best of the "Clone Wars" era ROH top guys, to me. Damning with faint praise perhaps, but I like him. I think he’s incredible in the ring, especially after being at it for so long. I know he’s not exciting on the mic, but I’m not too concerned about that cuz once he’s in the ring, he’s captivating to watch. I hated the “comedy” stuff they were doing with him last year. It felt like dancing Lance storm or double ho seven Dean Malenko. At least it got him a little more over though I liked some of it, some they overdid. But yeah, he's always reminded me of Dean Malenko, so I guess that's apropos.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Apr 29, 2024 22:15:21 GMT -5
I really don’t understand the notion that wrestling Roddy for the midcard title is a humiliating endeavor beneath Will Ospreay.
Sure, Roddy isn’t the Billy Goat but, quite frankly, I’m not sure anyone in this current generation of wrestlers is. But Roddy is one of the most decorated wrestlers on the roster, an indie legend, and has won multiple championships in NXT. It’s not like they’re trotting him out there against Action Andretti or something.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 29, 2024 22:22:17 GMT -5
I really don’t understand the notion that wrestling Roddy for the midcard title is a humiliating endeavor beneath Will Ospreay. Sure, Roddy isn’t the Billy Goat but, quite frankly, I’m not sure anyone in this current generation of wrestlers is. But Roddy is one of the most decorated wrestlers on the roster, an indie legend, and has won multiple championships in NXT. It’s not like they’re trotting him out there against Action Andretti or something. I think it's just a measure of how swagless Strong is. Match quality is there in spades. Accomplishments, yep. Protected in AEW, oh hell yes, surprisingly so. He even has a personality that's fairly over. ...but regardless, Roderick Strong does not feel like a worldbeater or like a major challenge. It's an interesting situation, really. The only booking fumble with Strong is that he's attached to a faction angle that clashes with what got him over and feels destined for an eternal holding pattern. That certainly sucks some life out of him, and maybe that's entirely what makes Strong feel cold right now; or, it could be that his decent character doesn't feel like someone who should be so protected. I'd take it as a case study that there is a limit to what a good push can do for someone's image.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 29, 2024 22:33:35 GMT -5
There's promotions where I think coming in and getting a midcard title is maybe a message, but with AEW, it's really hard to feel like that's a bad place. A lot of AEW's midcard title runs, especially the memorable runs, have been fighting champion showcase reigns, and if they're determined to just have Ospreay go f***ing wild every night and tear the house down, having him follow up in the lineage of Orange Cassidy isn't too bad an idea. It's the 'midcard title' that credibly jumped in to main event All Out when Punk vs. Starks dissolved. The booking of the belt matters to me more than the perceived status of the belt, because status is always so ephemeral and just one big run away from being completely changed.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 29, 2024 23:52:41 GMT -5
I really don’t understand the notion that wrestling Roddy for the midcard title is a humiliating endeavor beneath Will Ospreay. Sure, Roddy isn’t the Billy Goat but, quite frankly, I’m not sure anyone in this current generation of wrestlers is. But Roddy is one of the most decorated wrestlers on the roster, an indie legend, and has won multiple championships in NXT. It’s not like they’re trotting him out there against Action Andretti or something. I think it's just a measure of how swagless Strong is. Match quality is there in spades. Accomplishments, yep. Protected in AEW, oh hell yes, surprisingly so. He even has a personality that's fairly over. ...but regardless, Roderick Strong does not feel like a worldbeater or like a major challenge. It's an interesting situation, really. The only booking fumble with Strong is that he's attached to a faction angle that clashes with what got him over and feels destined for an eternal holding pattern. That certainly sucks some life out of him, and maybe that's entirely what makes Strong feel cold right now; or, it could be that his decent character doesn't feel like someone who should be so protected. I'd take it as a case study that there is a limit to what a good push can do for someone's image. And Roderick Strong is good in ring but..is he even top 10 in AEW? You have people like Joe, Bryan, Ospreay, Kenny, The Bucks, OC,Fenix, PAC, Moxley,Shibata, Jay Lethal,Cesaro(which for me is a better case of bland character that makes it up in the ring),Adam Cole,MJF.Anmd those are the easy ones. You can argue Christian, Yuta, Silver,Angelico,Malakai,Ethan Page,Takeshita are as good or better
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 30, 2024 1:38:04 GMT -5
I think it's just a measure of how swagless Strong is. Match quality is there in spades. Accomplishments, yep. Protected in AEW, oh hell yes, surprisingly so. He even has a personality that's fairly over. ...but regardless, Roderick Strong does not feel like a worldbeater or like a major challenge. It's an interesting situation, really. The only booking fumble with Strong is that he's attached to a faction angle that clashes with what got him over and feels destined for an eternal holding pattern. That certainly sucks some life out of him, and maybe that's entirely what makes Strong feel cold right now; or, it could be that his decent character doesn't feel like someone who should be so protected. I'd take it as a case study that there is a limit to what a good push can do for someone's image. And Roderick Strong is good in ring but..is he even top 10 in AEW? You have people like Joe, Bryan, Ospreay, Kenny, The Bucks, OC,Fenix, PAC, Moxley,Shibata, Jay Lethal,Cesaro(which for me is a better case of bland character that makes it up in the ring),Adam Cole,MJF.Anmd those are the easy ones. You can argue Christian, Yuta, Silver,Angelico,Malakai,Ethan Page,Takeshita are as good or better It's unfair to ask if Roderick is a top 10 wrestler on maybe the best roster ever constructed for workrate in the history of wrestling. If it isn't it's f***ing close. I don't really think this is as big a deal as people are making it, I think Roderick's been a fine champion and likely transitioning it to Will's the right move because he'll defend it all over the UK and that's what you want too.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 30, 2024 8:43:28 GMT -5
I really don’t understand the notion that wrestling Roddy for the midcard title is a humiliating endeavor beneath Will Ospreay. Sure, Roddy isn’t the Billy Goat but, quite frankly, I’m not sure anyone in this current generation of wrestlers is. But Roddy is one of the most decorated wrestlers on the roster, an indie legend, and has won multiple championships in NXT. It’s not like they’re trotting him out there against Action Andretti or something. I guess his credibility is in the eye of the beholder but he still comes off like a low-mid carder to me, despite his in-ring talent. I think a TV match against Ospreay would be good, but using a PPV cycle on Roddy when Ospreay is at his hottest seems like a risk. But maybe they’re looking to slow play Ospreay’s rise to the top.
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