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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 14:36:42 GMT -5
And you clearly have no intention of seeing anything bad in it or ways they could have made it better. If you wanted Eddie and Bryan in this, then maybe you should have kept them RELEVANT to it throughout the last few weeks of tv before reintroducing them to this. But no, Tony doesn’t understand this stuff, so he basically writes Bryan off TV in a match that he leaves him convulsing after a Tiger Driver that forces Ospreay to retire the move only to have him back randomly in 3 weeks to start feuding with the Elite. It is so rushed and unnecessary. Have him come out in THE neck brace (playing up the fact that injuries occur and tail ending off Tony’s neckbrace fiasco), let him talk about how he’s nearing the end and has promises to his children to make it to the end in one piece “but after the Tiger Driver I took at Dynasty, to see these two pricks drop Tony, a non-combatant (again putting over Swerve’s choice of words and reminding the audience of bullet points), on HIS *bleep it out to give it more gravitas* head pisses me off, and I’m inserting myself into ANARCHY IN THE ARENA!!” But no, they don’t play it that way. They just send Bryan out there smiling and walking just fine, getting physical, and missing the opportunity to play up some sympathy for our babyfaces and give our dastardly heels some heat. All while keeping the idea that physicality within the confines of the ring DOES have consequences and stakes. It’s always 2 steps forward, two steps back with Tony. He can’t get out of his own way, and it’s precisely why the company is as cold as ice. And precisely why it is hard to get excited about cool shit that goes down when you know he’s just going to have a hiccup at the 1 yard line. I'm really glad I don't consume media the way you do because this honestly just reads completely miserable and like you were just waiting for AEW to fail Meanwhile everyone else is excited, I don't know what to tell you, but swiping at me "failing to see the negatives" doesn't really endear me to your arguments either, especially when you're in an echo chamber of your own creation with this and shouting at anyone who dares to enjoy it because you deem it flawed, Tony a terrible booker, and AEW cold and ruined Oh, I’m sorry. Bryan Danielson is involved. Let me rephrase: “Oh Em Gee! This is the best thing on TV! This angle is cooking! 6+ stars!! Woooo.”
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 14:37:45 GMT -5
Eh, agree to disagree. They have plenty of time to establish that over the two other shows they have this week and all the shows between now and DoN. It'll be fine. There is two A-shows left. No one watches Collision, so anything they do to build to AITA falls on deaf ears. They had time THIS WEEK to flesh out more of the story and didn’t. “Hey kids, Keanu Reeves is going to fight some artificial intelligence” doesn’t exactly hit the same as “this weird computer hacker is being followed by these creepy ‘men in black’ looking dudes while a stranger is on the phone trying to navigate him to safety.” Take the audience for a ride. The beauty of storytelling is that you get to let it flow, taking on a life of its own. When done right, the audience is just hanging on every moment, wondering where it is all leading. They buried the lead by just going straight to the announcement without any of the window dressing. Collision was just seen by 1.3 Million people like two weeks ago, you can yell about that being an outlier but it really doesn't help your point, outside of that the show draws the most consistent ratings of any show AEW does it feels like, and gets plenty of viewers who don't watch live and simply DVR it. Acting like no one watches it and nothing relevant happens on the show is another "your problem" thing as a viewer and a consumer, because stuff is always happening and recapped from that show of importance. Doing the announcement first leads to build for the match as a whole, and given there's already been months of build even before the New Elite formed especially with FTR, again, I'm not really getting your outstanding complaints about this, but oh well, at this point it's not gonna change.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 14:39:31 GMT -5
I'm really glad I don't consume media the way you do because this honestly just reads completely miserable and like you were just waiting for AEW to fail Meanwhile everyone else is excited, I don't know what to tell you, but swiping at me "failing to see the negatives" doesn't really endear me to your arguments either, especially when you're in an echo chamber of your own creation with this and shouting at anyone who dares to enjoy it because you deem it flawed, Tony a terrible booker, and AEW cold and ruined Oh, I’m sorry. Bryan Danielson is involved. Let me rephrase: “Oh Em Gee! This is the best thing on TV! This angle is cooking! 6+ stars!! Woooo.” Once again, you're really endearing yourself to everyone here by constantly talking down to them for liking this match and the wrestlers within it. Again, I'm sorry that this angle and decision pissed you off so hard that you went from praising and defending AEW to immediately shitting on its grave, but idk why you have to swipe and take it out on us for daring to enjoy it while you don't tbh
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 16:08:32 GMT -5
Oh, I’m sorry. Bryan Danielson is involved. Let me rephrase: “Oh Em Gee! This is the best thing on TV! This angle is cooking! 6+ stars!! Woooo.” Once again, you're really endearing yourself to everyone here by constantly talking down to them for liking this match and the wrestlers within it. Again, I'm sorry that this angle and decision pissed you off so hard that you went from praising and defending AEW to immediately shitting on its grave, but idk why you have to swipe and take it out on us for daring to enjoy it while you don't tbh No one said you’re not welcome to enjoying the match and the wrestlers in it. The match will be fun. The wrestlers in it are fine. The overarching is shit and had potential to change things around in AEW. Instead they wanted to make sure and get the cool match before a big story that provides direction.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 17:34:12 GMT -5
Once again, you're really endearing yourself to everyone here by constantly talking down to them for liking this match and the wrestlers within it. Again, I'm sorry that this angle and decision pissed you off so hard that you went from praising and defending AEW to immediately shitting on its grave, but idk why you have to swipe and take it out on us for daring to enjoy it while you don't tbh No one said you’re not welcome to enjoying the match and the wrestlers in it. The match will be fun. The wrestlers in it are fine. The overarching is shit and had potential to change things around in AEW. Instead they wanted to make sure and get the cool match before a big story that provides direction. There is story to the big match which does provide direction and a full two weeks to continue to build to that match, story, and direction, along with three shows a week to do so. And if the wrestlers in it are "fine" you're backtracking hard with that statement with how hard you've called Danielson and Kingston losers the last 24 hours and said they're like a WCW jobber team. Kenny Omega sent guys he knows can answer The Elite, and now we can build a plot towards them and the match from here on, it's not the way you wanted to do it, it doesn't mean it's shit, it's shit in your opinion, which I and others clearly have not agreed with lol AEW has been doing things well, different, and changing things around, and acting like this undid everything and the company and Tony are shit again to me, is some of the craziest hyperbole I've seen on this board in awhile, you're free to feel that way, as others have been free to respond and disagree Now we go from here and see how it ends up I guess.
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Post by Soultastic on May 9, 2024 17:49:25 GMT -5
I hope Danielson and Kingston try to light people on fire together like bruddas.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 9, 2024 17:50:15 GMT -5
There is two A-shows left. No one watches Collision, so anything they do to build to AITA falls on deaf ears. They had time THIS WEEK to flesh out more of the story and didn’t. “Hey kids, Keanu Reeves is going to fight some artificial intelligence” doesn’t exactly hit the same as “this weird computer hacker is being followed by these creepy ‘men in black’ looking dudes while a stranger is on the phone trying to navigate him to safety.” Take the audience for a ride. The beauty of storytelling is that you get to let it flow, taking on a life of its own. When done right, the audience is just hanging on every moment, wondering where it is all leading. They buried the lead by just going straight to the announcement without any of the window dressing. Collision was just seen by 1.3 Million people like two weeks ago, you can yell about that being an outlier but it really doesn't help your point, outside of that the show draws the most consistent ratings of any show AEW does it feels like, and gets plenty of viewers who don't watch live and simply DVR it. Acting like no one watches it and nothing relevant happens on the show is another "your problem" thing as a viewer and a consumer, because stuff is always happening and recapped from that show of importance. Doing the announcement first leads to build for the match as a whole, and given there's already been months of build even before the New Elite formed especially with FTR, again, I'm not really getting your outstanding complaints about this, but oh well, at this point it's not gonna change. Collision’s highest viewership was 621K, spiked by the NBA lead-in. Usually they’re in the 350K-500K range.
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Post by CeilingFan on May 9, 2024 17:52:01 GMT -5
I hope Danielson and Kingston try to light people on fire together like bruddas. Chicken-fried Buck coming up!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 17:59:27 GMT -5
Collision was just seen by 1.3 Million people like two weeks ago, you can yell about that being an outlier but it really doesn't help your point, outside of that the show draws the most consistent ratings of any show AEW does it feels like, and gets plenty of viewers who don't watch live and simply DVR it. Acting like no one watches it and nothing relevant happens on the show is another "your problem" thing as a viewer and a consumer, because stuff is always happening and recapped from that show of importance. Doing the announcement first leads to build for the match as a whole, and given there's already been months of build even before the New Elite formed especially with FTR, again, I'm not really getting your outstanding complaints about this, but oh well, at this point it's not gonna change. Collision’s highest viewership was 621K, spiked by the NBA lead-in. Usually they’re in the 350K-500K range. Their highest viewership on the lead in in terms of eyes on the show was 1.3 Million due to the lead-in, I'm not talking about the average for that week. Plenty of people watch Collision that it is not a useless show, it is DVR'd by a lot of fans and recapped on Dynamite as well. That was my point.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 9, 2024 18:03:21 GMT -5
Collision’s highest viewership was 621K, spiked by the NBA lead-in. Usually they’re in the 350K-500K range. Their highest viewership on the lead in in terms of eyes on the show was 1.3 Million due to the lead-in, I'm not talking about the average for that week. Plenty of people watch Collision that it is not a useless show, it is DVR'd by a lot of fans and recapped on Dynamite as well. That was my point. It’s a clear B show I’d say. Their
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Post by polarbearpete on May 9, 2024 18:03:38 GMT -5
Collision’s highest viewership was 621K, spiked by the NBA lead-in. Usually they’re in the 350K-500K range. Their highest viewership on the lead in in terms of eyes on the show was 1.3 Million due to the lead-in, I'm not talking about the average for that week. Plenty of people watch Collision that it is not a useless show, it is DVR'd by a lot of fans and recapped on Dynamite as well. That was my point. It’s a clear B show I’d say. Their viewership including DVR is still around half of Dynamite.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 18:05:34 GMT -5
Their highest viewership on the lead in in terms of eyes on the show was 1.3 Million due to the lead-in, I'm not talking about the average for that week. Plenty of people watch Collision that it is not a useless show, it is DVR'd by a lot of fans and recapped on Dynamite as well. That was my point. It’s a clear B show I’d say. Their And that's ok, the B Shows can matter and big things can and do happen on them My argument was the user I responded to basically calling it a meaningless show no one watches or pays attention to and that's not true at all.
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Post by Some Guy on May 9, 2024 21:44:57 GMT -5
I think Eddie would have worked better if we hadn't seen him since the Okada loss (and the Briscoe loss). He kinda lost to Okada and then was like 'oh well, gonna tag with Copeland for a bit' and now all of sudden he's chomping at the bit to get his hands on Bucks. Eddie's entire state of being is that he has beef with random people at random times and just goes around to help people sometimes. He's had an issue with this elite stuff since the beginning but backed off because he felt ashamed losing to Okada, etc etc. He's also basically the one wrestler in the entire world that can sell an entire feud in one promo, so I'm not really worried about him navigating this.
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Post by stan1337 on May 9, 2024 22:36:08 GMT -5
Eh, agree to disagree. They have plenty of time to establish that over the two other shows they have this week and all the shows between now and DoN. It'll be fine. There is two A-shows left. No one watches Collision, so anything they do to build to AITA falls on deaf ears. They had time THIS WEEK to flesh out more of the story and didn’t. “Hey kids, Keanu Reeves is going to fight some artificial intelligence” doesn’t exactly hit the same as “this weird computer hacker is being followed by these creepy ‘men in black’ looking dudes while a stranger is on the phone trying to navigate him to safety.” Take the audience for a ride. The beauty of storytelling is that you get to let it flow, taking on a life of its own. When done right, the audience is just hanging on every moment, wondering where it is all leading. They buried the lead by just going straight to the announcement without any of the window dressing. Wow bro. I hope when you are old and sick you don't regret using your time to hate watch AEW and then argue with fans of the thing you hate watch while you cosplay as a fellow fan. ...nah what am I saying you definitely will never regret it. It is such a good use of your time.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 9, 2024 23:01:15 GMT -5
There is two A-shows left. No one watches Collision, so anything they do to build to AITA falls on deaf ears. They had time THIS WEEK to flesh out more of the story and didn’t. “Hey kids, Keanu Reeves is going to fight some artificial intelligence” doesn’t exactly hit the same as “this weird computer hacker is being followed by these creepy ‘men in black’ looking dudes while a stranger is on the phone trying to navigate him to safety.” Take the audience for a ride. The beauty of storytelling is that you get to let it flow, taking on a life of its own. When done right, the audience is just hanging on every moment, wondering where it is all leading. They buried the lead by just going straight to the announcement without any of the window dressing. Wow bro. I hope when you are old and sick you don't regret using your time to hate watch AEW and then argue with fans of the thing you hate watch while you cosplay as a fellow fan. ...nah what am I saying you definitely will never regret it. It is such a good use of your time. Honestly, I remember why I had them on mute in the first place, not really sure why I viewed their post and responded. Let them have their views and just ignore them if it bugs you too much, it's what I should've done tbh. We're talking about Danielson and Eddie freaking Kingston here. If those two can't sell the story in a couple weeks across 8 or so shows, then I don't know who can.
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Post by schizo on May 9, 2024 23:12:38 GMT -5
There is two A-shows left. No one watches Collision, so anything they do to build to AITA falls on deaf ears. They had time THIS WEEK to flesh out more of the story and didn’t. “Hey kids, Keanu Reeves is going to fight some artificial intelligence” doesn’t exactly hit the same as “this weird computer hacker is being followed by these creepy ‘men in black’ looking dudes while a stranger is on the phone trying to navigate him to safety.” Take the audience for a ride. The beauty of storytelling is that you get to let it flow, taking on a life of its own. When done right, the audience is just hanging on every moment, wondering where it is all leading. They buried the lead by just going straight to the announcement without any of the window dressing. Wow bro. I hope when you are old and sick you don't regret using your time to hate watch AEW and then argue with fans of the thing you hate watch while you cosplay as a fellow fan. ...nah what am I saying you definitely will never regret it. It is such a good use of your time. Post like this makes this board very unpleasant to post at. Dude just giving construction criticism and you basically insult him.
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 23:21:32 GMT -5
No one said you’re not welcome to enjoying the match and the wrestlers in it. The match will be fun. The wrestlers in it are fine. The overarching is shit and had potential to change things around in AEW. Instead they wanted to make sure and get the cool match before a big story that provides direction. There is story to the big match which does provide direction and a full two weeks to continue to build to that match, story, and direction, along with three shows a week to do so. And if the wrestlers in it are "fine" you're backtracking hard with that statement with how hard you've called Danielson and Kingston losers the last 24 hours and said they're like a WCW jobber team. Kenny Omega sent guys he knows can answer The Elite, and now we can build a plot towards them and the match from here on, it's not the way you wanted to do it, it doesn't mean it's shit, it's shit in your opinion, which I and others clearly have not agreed with lol AEW has been doing things well, different, and changing things around, and acting like this undid everything and the company and Tony are shit again to me, is some of the craziest hyperbole I've seen on this board in awhile, you're free to feel that way, as others have been free to respond and disagree Now we go from here and see how it ends up I guess. The wrestlers are fine as in they are guys that I enjoy. That doesn’t mean they are “fine” in the Kayfabe setting of trying to get payback. They’re both habitual losers, even Eddie had a 6 month run of good luck. It makes no sense to have those guys off TV when you have 4 weeks to build the emotional investment in the audience. The hot and cold, stop and start bookings does not work and has not worked since first really began doing it when he ran the idiotic two Christian/Omega matches in the middle of a build towards Page’s crowning moment. I’m glad you enjoy it. I find it to be horrible from a weekly, television-viewing standpoint. And no matter how much some want to dismiss it, that is ultimately what AEW is: a television show set within the world of professional wrestling.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 23:34:36 GMT -5
There is story to the big match which does provide direction and a full two weeks to continue to build to that match, story, and direction, along with three shows a week to do so. And if the wrestlers in it are "fine" you're backtracking hard with that statement with how hard you've called Danielson and Kingston losers the last 24 hours and said they're like a WCW jobber team. Kenny Omega sent guys he knows can answer The Elite, and now we can build a plot towards them and the match from here on, it's not the way you wanted to do it, it doesn't mean it's shit, it's shit in your opinion, which I and others clearly have not agreed with lol AEW has been doing things well, different, and changing things around, and acting like this undid everything and the company and Tony are shit again to me, is some of the craziest hyperbole I've seen on this board in awhile, you're free to feel that way, as others have been free to respond and disagree Now we go from here and see how it ends up I guess. The wrestlers are fine as in they are guys that I enjoy. That doesn’t mean they are “fine” in the Kayfabe setting of trying to get payback. They’re both habitual losers, even Eddie had a 6 month run of good luck. It makes no sense to have those guys off TV when you have 4 weeks to build the emotional investment in the audience. The hot and cold, stop and start bookings does not work and has not worked since first really began doing it when he ran the idiotic two Christian/Omega matches in the middle of a build towards Page’s crowning moment. I’m glad you enjoy it. I find it to be horrible from a weekly, television-viewing standpoint. And no matter how much some want to dismiss it, that is ultimately what AEW is: a television show set within the world of professional wrestling. Trying to call Eddie a loser who had good luck is ridiculous at this point. He beat the best in the company but you just want to perceive him as a loser because it fits your narrative. It's not fact, that's just your perception. It also doesn't make sense off your perception, not other people viewing the product, who have outlined why it makes sense and that there are still multiple weeks for this match and storyline to continue to add depth, stakes, and conflict between the eight now established to be within it as a whole. You're acting like it's over and if it's lost you as a viewer, then again, that's your opinion, it doesn't sound like it's lost others Acting like this is a legitimate problem with AEW as well is your opinion and not objective fact. If you don't enjoy it, sorry, but I also seem to remember a lot of people enjoying those Omega/Christian matches you deem "idiotic", so whatever at this point dude, AEW obviously doesn't sound like a product that's endearing itself to you as a viewer, but at this point you've been arguing with people for days over how much you think this sucks, and no one is agreeing with you. At this point it's tiring and I'd like to just end it here, as you're not gonna budge, you're just going to keep swiping at people here for enjoying something you don't and it's already derailed this thread and made things tense, I'd like to not add to it anymore and actually just enjoy wrestling, so that's what I'm gonna do. Hopefully down the line you might again too. Have a good night.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 23:46:47 GMT -5
Wow bro. I hope when you are old and sick you don't regret using your time to hate watch AEW and then argue with fans of the thing you hate watch while you cosplay as a fellow fan. ...nah what am I saying you definitely will never regret it. It is such a good use of your time. Post like this makes this board very unpleasant to post at. Dude just giving construction criticism and you basically insult him. I'm not condoning swiping back at a user because that solves nothing and only derails the thread further... but this conversation and what that user has put forth has been the farthest thing from "Constructive Criticism" the last few pages, and multiple users have said as such. Nothing about this has been constructive, it's felt like they've legitimately taken the storyline direction personally and are taking it out on the thread, for the last day. And that's not exactly making things pleasant either?
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Post by stan1337 on May 10, 2024 0:08:00 GMT -5
Wow bro. I hope when you are old and sick you don't regret using your time to hate watch AEW and then argue with fans of the thing you hate watch while you cosplay as a fellow fan. ...nah what am I saying you definitely will never regret it. It is such a good use of your time. Post like this makes this board very unpleasant to post at. Dude just giving construction criticism and you basically insult him. Listen if my post drives you away then damn, I doubt you were here for a legitimate reason anyway, it is literally the mildest of spice. Also let's be honest and real with one another what I said is legitimately good advice in a poor tone. It is objectively a waste to spend time hating watching something and then trying to convince others that enjoy it that they are idiots for doing so and.should also hate it. Also, anyone who wants to quote this and be like "hurr Durr it's a waste of time to respond to them hurt Durr." It took me 4 minutes to post my response. Not hours watching a show and then spending the better part of the day responding here telling folks they are stupid for not hating something.
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