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Post by HMARK Center on May 10, 2024 5:53:30 GMT -5
How about we stop impugning the motives of other posters, say our piece, and move the @#$% on. The rest is just people swimming in circles.
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Post by CeilingFan on May 10, 2024 6:14:44 GMT -5
Swerve needs to be the Team Captain for Blood And Guts.
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Post by Soultastic on May 10, 2024 7:26:02 GMT -5
Swerve needs to be the Team Captain for Blood And Guts. If the angle is still going by the time he's ready, Darby seems like another good thematic leader to me.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 10, 2024 10:28:54 GMT -5
Post like this makes this board very unpleasant to post at. Dude just giving construction criticism and you basically insult him. I'm not condoning swiping back at a user because that solves nothing and only derails the thread further... but this conversation and what that user has put forth has been the farthest thing from "Constructive Criticism" the last few pages, and multiple users have said as such. Nothing about this has been constructive, it's felt like they've legitimately taken the storyline direction personally and are taking it out on the thread, for the last day. And that's not exactly making things pleasant either? The poster has only been hypercritical about the product from what I’ve seen, whereas other posters are directing attacks directly at the poster and not his arguments.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on May 10, 2024 10:35:59 GMT -5
Swerve needs to be the Team Captain for Blood And Guts. Elite win Anarchy in the Arena, then B&G later after a month or so of the Elite abusing their power with control of AEW on the line. Babyface team win, and that’s how we get the commissioner appointed.
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Post by daaave on May 10, 2024 10:52:28 GMT -5
They are definetly building up to Elite vs Swerve but not sure when they pull that trigger. And Blood & Guts is usually June, was July last year. Either way that feels too soon to have the big blow off of this angle.
Ideally you should be building up the big Swerve vs someone from The Elite for All In. Perhaps we get Hangman vs Swerve there.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 10, 2024 12:21:49 GMT -5
They are definetly building up to Elite vs Swerve but not sure when they pull that trigger. And Blood & Guts is usually June, was July last year. Either way that feels too soon to have the big blow off of this angle. Ideally you should be building up the big Swerve vs someone from The Elite for All In. Perhaps we get Hangman vs Swerve there. I imagine we’re looking at Hangman vs. Swerve and Okada vs. Omega at All In if feasible.
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Post by markymark on May 10, 2024 12:32:41 GMT -5
I dont blame them if MJF is going to be out far longer than expected that they plan to get Cole out of the Undisputed Kingdom.
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Post by daaave on May 10, 2024 12:46:40 GMT -5
They are definetly building up to Elite vs Swerve but not sure when they pull that trigger. And Blood & Guts is usually June, was July last year. Either way that feels too soon to have the big blow off of this angle. Ideally you should be building up the big Swerve vs someone from The Elite for All In. Perhaps we get Hangman vs Swerve there. I imagine we’re looking at Hangman vs. Swerve and Okada vs. Omega at All In if feasible. Hopefully and Danielson vs Ospreay blow off. Coz I'm going and will be delighted with those 3 matches alone
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Post by HMARK Center on May 10, 2024 14:38:51 GMT -5
I dont blame them if MJF is going to be out far longer than expected that they plan to get Cole out of the Undisputed Kingdom.
Been thinking about this as a possibility for multiple days now: Undisputed Kingdom got off on the wrong foot, no pun intended, thanks to Cole's ankle injury and MJF's now prolonged absence, so while I really enjoy Roddy and Taven/Bennett have had some strong showings there's no getting around that they've been left floating in the wind, given they were supposed to be the team that felt like they were kind of "taking over the show". Well, the Bucks went into EVP mode, Okada was brought in, Perry's returned, and you know you need to protect all four of those guys; you've got a real life close friendship between the Bucks and Cole, all of whom are heel right now; and you know the Undisputed guys can more easily eat pins if need be, and it'd make the Bucks look even stronger having more people to call on to go after their enemies...all kind of adds up, doesn't it? Cole also became a pretty strong prime demo ratings draw last year while paired with MJF, so integrating him into the main storyline for the promotion right now could pay some dividends on that front. Now, while this is incredibly doubtful to me, what'd be kind of incredible is if Steen's contract was due up soon and he could join in and fully remake those old PWG angles, but that's some indie golden era dreaming on my part.
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Post by bdon on May 10, 2024 15:18:49 GMT -5
I dont blame them if MJF is going to be out far longer than expected that they plan to get Cole out of the Undisputed Kingdom.
Been thinking about this as a possibility for multiple days now: Undisputed Kingdom got off on the wrong foot, no pun intended, thanks to Cole's ankle injury and MJF's now prolonged absence, so while I really enjoy Roddy and Taven/Bennett have had some strong showings there's no getting around that they've been left floating in the wind, given they were supposed to be the team that felt like they were kind of "taking over the show". Well, the Bucks went into EVP mode, Okada was brought in, Perry's returned, and you know you need to protect all four of those guys; you've got a real life close friendship between the Bucks and Cole, all of whom are heel right now; and you know the Undisputed guys can more easily eat pins if need be, and it'd make the Bucks look even stronger having more people to call on to go after their enemies...all kind of adds up, doesn't it? Cole also became a pretty strong prime demo ratings draw last year while paired with MJF, so integrating him into the main storyline for the promotion right now could pay some dividends on that front. Now, while this is incredibly doubtful to me, what'd be kind of incredible is if Steen's contract was due up soon and he could join in and fully remake those old PWG angles, but that's some indie golden era dreaming on my part. Keep Cole out of this. If he is interjected into it, then he’s going to be front and center, eating all of the mic time, and become the defacto leader. Ugh. The hits just keep on coming for me. Lol
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 10, 2024 16:15:02 GMT -5
Been thinking about this as a possibility for multiple days now: Undisputed Kingdom got off on the wrong foot, no pun intended, thanks to Cole's ankle injury and MJF's now prolonged absence, so while I really enjoy Roddy and Taven/Bennett have had some strong showings there's no getting around that they've been left floating in the wind, given they were supposed to be the team that felt like they were kind of "taking over the show". Well, the Bucks went into EVP mode, Okada was brought in, Perry's returned, and you know you need to protect all four of those guys; you've got a real life close friendship between the Bucks and Cole, all of whom are heel right now; and you know the Undisputed guys can more easily eat pins if need be, and it'd make the Bucks look even stronger having more people to call on to go after their enemies...all kind of adds up, doesn't it? Cole also became a pretty strong prime demo ratings draw last year while paired with MJF, so integrating him into the main storyline for the promotion right now could pay some dividends on that front. Now, while this is incredibly doubtful to me, what'd be kind of incredible is if Steen's contract was due up soon and he could join in and fully remake those old PWG angles, but that's some indie golden era dreaming on my part. Keep Cole out of this. If he is interjected into it, then he’s going to be front and center, eating all of the mic time, and become the defacto leader. Ugh. The hits just keep on coming for me. Lol I don't think he'd become the defacto leader but when someone's good at promos, of course he'd get mic time This is all speculation anyway, I don't see him joining unless UK disband completely and I dont see that being a thing until he's cleared and they maybe turn on Wardlow
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Post by bdon on May 10, 2024 16:21:12 GMT -5
Keep Cole out of this. If he is interjected into it, then he’s going to be front and center, eating all of the mic time, and become the defacto leader. Ugh. The hits just keep on coming for me. Lol I don't think he'd become the defacto leader but when someone's good at promos, of course he'd get mic time This is all speculation anyway, I don't see him joining unless UK disband completely and I dont see that being a thing until he's cleared and they maybe turn on Wardlow Adam Cole can not be in a faction without using the faction as a means to putting the focus on himself. It’s impossible. And he being one of Tony’s major blindspot characters is destined to lean into making Adam Cole the guy that chases the World Title. I pray you’re right and they keep him over there wallowing in his mediocrity, but I have no faith in that. He is almost guaranteed to join this and bring his stink to it, furthering lowering the group’s perceived “threat”.
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Post by stan1337 on May 10, 2024 17:08:12 GMT -5
I'm not condoning swiping back at a user because that solves nothing and only derails the thread further... but this conversation and what that user has put forth has been the farthest thing from "Constructive Criticism" the last few pages, and multiple users have said as such. Nothing about this has been constructive, it's felt like they've legitimately taken the storyline direction personally and are taking it out on the thread, for the last day. And that's not exactly making things pleasant either? The poster has only been hypercritical about the product from what I’ve seen, whereas other posters are directing attacks directly at the poster and not his arguments. That's because many other folks did respond to his arguments and then he just responding to them for 6 pages by saying some form of "but it's so stupid don't you see? How can you like this garbage?" To me, that is not debating a point or offering an opinion. It is purely being a killjoy. Thus I offered some advice about using ones time on this earth just a little bit more wisely. It was clearly so tongue in cheek and certainly is not a "personal attack". Honestly, if you like to classify it as a personal attack then this person harping about not understanding how folks cant see how "stupid" the storyline is just as much of attack on their taste or intelligence as me offering this person some good advice in a snarky tone.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 10, 2024 17:17:44 GMT -5
I don't think he'd become the defacto leader but when someone's good at promos, of course he'd get mic time This is all speculation anyway, I don't see him joining unless UK disband completely and I dont see that being a thing until he's cleared and they maybe turn on Wardlow Adam Cole can not be in a faction without using the faction as a means to putting the focus on himself. It’s impossible. And he being one of Tony’s major blindspot characters is destined to lean into making Adam Cole the guy that chases the World Title. I pray you’re right and they keep him over there wallowing in his mediocrity, but I have no faith in that. He is almost guaranteed to join this and bring his stink to it, furthering lowering the group’s perceived “threat”. Cole isn't a major blindspot character for Tony. He was quite literally one half of the most over thing in AEW for months until an errant jump off a ramp changed plans drastically. I'd say Cole's done super well for himself here, and if not for his and MJF's injuries, would still be doing perfectly fine. Also calling Cole mediocre, man... who do you like in the company? Because between this and calling Danielson and Kingston "loser jobbers" I'm just curious who you'd rather have in these spots... especially if Cole's not a credible threat, which I also think is a weird assessment.
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Post by bdon on May 10, 2024 17:20:14 GMT -5
Adam Cole can not be in a faction without using the faction as a means to putting the focus on himself. It’s impossible. And he being one of Tony’s major blindspot characters is destined to lean into making Adam Cole the guy that chases the World Title. I pray you’re right and they keep him over there wallowing in his mediocrity, but I have no faith in that. He is almost guaranteed to join this and bring his stink to it, furthering lowering the group’s perceived “threat”. Cole isn't a major blindspot character for Tony. He was quite literally one half of the most over thing in AEW for months until an errant jump off a ramp changed plans drastically. I'd say Cole's done super well for himself here, and if not for his and MJF's injuries, would still be doing perfectly fine. Also calling Cole mediocre, man... who do you like in the company? Because between this and calling Danielson and Kingston "loser jobbers" I'm just curious who you'd rather have in these spots... especially if Cole's not a credible threat, which I also think is a weird assessment. I’m not even going to waste my time explaining myself to you, because my opinion offends you so f***ing much, man. You do you.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 10, 2024 17:22:30 GMT -5
Cole isn't a major blindspot character for Tony. He was quite literally one half of the most over thing in AEW for months until an errant jump off a ramp changed plans drastically. I'd say Cole's done super well for himself here, and if not for his and MJF's injuries, would still be doing perfectly fine. Also calling Cole mediocre, man... who do you like in the company? Because between this and calling Danielson and Kingston "loser jobbers" I'm just curious who you'd rather have in these spots... especially if Cole's not a credible threat, which I also think is a weird assessment. I’m not even going to waste my time explaining myself to you, because my opinion offends you so f***ing much, man. You do you. Because for the last like four pages you've been screaming about how wrestlers are losers, not believable, and every time we move on to a new talking point about another wrestler, you also hate them and think they are mediocre garbage I'm trying to find out who you DO like in the company, because in the span of about 24 hours you went from being huge into AEW and defending its points to seemingly loathing everything about it because two guys walked on stage for a storyline Your opinions don't "offend" me, they confuse me, and clearly I've not been the only one lol
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 10, 2024 18:48:45 GMT -5
Feels to me like you kind of have to put Cole into a big position when he's good to go if only because, like, the angle with MJF was like the last big drawing act AEW actually had and you need to everything you can to try to capitalize on whatever remaining fumes it might have when you can.
Honestly I'd probably just try and position it in a way where you have the two of them reunite sooner rather than later, since it feels like there is a lot more money to be had in exploring the act further than there is a feud over a betrayal that would've been a year prior at this point, but you do need to at least like actually try with making Cole a big time heel first because otherwise you just sort of threw away the biggest act in the company with nothing gained from it.
And I'm saying this as someone who also kind of sees Cole as mostly mediocre. I don't understand it but dude certainly can connect with people, not denying that.
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Post by bdon on May 11, 2024 0:00:27 GMT -5
Feels to me like you kind of have to put Cole into a big position when he's good to go if only because, like, the angle with MJF was like the last big drawing act AEW actually had and you need to everything you can to try to capitalize on whatever remaining fumes it might have when you can. Honestly I'd probably just try and position it in a way where you have the two of them reunite sooner rather than later, since it feels like there is a lot more money to be had in exploring the act further than there is a feud over a betrayal that would've been a year prior at this point, but you do need to at least like actually try with making Cole a big time heel first because otherwise you just sort of threw away the biggest act in the company with nothing gained from it. And I'm saying this as someone who also kind of sees Cole as mostly mediocre. I don't understand it but dude certainly can connect with people, not denying that. Prior to the very entertaining “Buddy Cop” angle that he and MJF worked late 2023, Adam Cole’s run in AEW had been marred in mediocrity. He joined the Elite in September 2021 and became “leader” as soon as Omega was off TV. The faction that had ruled over AEW tv all year was quickly boring. He had a “Feud That Simply Will Not Ever End” that really derailed Page’s first ever world title reign - 90% of the time was Page getting in one sentence on the microphone before being interrupted by Adam “Single White Female” Cole. Despite two recent failures to win the big one, he was unnecessarily added to the 4-way match at the original Forbidden Door where he not only looked out of place but felt out of his league amongst Jay, Okada, and Hanger. Worked the blah stuff with Jericho, but I can’t fully blame him on this one as Chris was on a string of misses. Returns from injury with this Undisputed Kingdom stuff and despite the fans’ love of Wardlow, no one really cares about the UK, because Cole is just not a believable menacing threat. He seems like a genuinely great dude and would be GREAT in a King of the TNT Title sort of way where his gift of gab could really lift the lower-midcard scene and make it feel special, lift up the stories and feuds to where they don’t feel like filler TV. He just isn’t World Heavyweight champ material and feels out of place amongst those guys.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on May 11, 2024 0:13:40 GMT -5
Cole and Undisputed Kingdom as basically "mercenaries"/satellite allies of the Elite could be a good way to keep them relevant, and continue the MJF thing to keep Max firmly on the side of the "AEW Originals" against the Elite.
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