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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Apr 30, 2024 10:13:34 GMT -5
Or should they have left well enough alone when Ax were forced to back out?
I would be in the latter camp myself. Ax and Smash always came off as genuinely scary badasses, while very time I see Crush I see a poseur that simply tries to hard too come off the same way and failing.
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Post by SkullTrauma on Apr 30, 2024 10:29:29 GMT -5
I like Crush much more than Ax. Ax just looked like someone's fat uncle.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Apr 30, 2024 10:32:13 GMT -5
IS Crush the Scrappy doo of Demolition? It's when they turned to shit.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 30, 2024 10:38:08 GMT -5
IS Crush the Scrappy doo of Demolition? It's when they turned to shit. Unnecessary heel turn? Check. Not as polished a worker as Eadie? Check. (though Demolition Crush had a good look and that tilt-a-whirl backbreaker) Beginning of stripping everything that got Demolition over? Check. Was there as the team got jobbed out? Check. I'd say you're onto something... Although...Scrappy actually HELPED the Scooby-Doo franchise continue until the end of the 80s! So dare I say Scrappy is BETTER than Crush? Crush's original role IS what TV Tropes calls "The Scrappy"...a new tagalong that in theory ruined everything. Post-Survivor Series, he'd be a Replacement Scrappy, a new character replacing an old one, but it didn't work. (At this point, let's call him the Coy or Vance Duke of Demolition. Or the Mr. Spooner, if you want a Britcom example)
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Apr 30, 2024 10:40:04 GMT -5
I like Crush much more than Ax. Ax just looked like someone's fat uncle. yeah i'm with you on this one maybe it's because i didn't grow up with Demolition but the whole Mad Max + facepaint aesthetic just never looked convincing on Eadie to me
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Post by tafkaga on Apr 30, 2024 10:45:31 GMT -5
No offense to Ax, but Crush was better by almost any metric.
Crush had better looking strikes. Crush could do a decent looking sidekick. Crush was bigger, stronger, and could pull off power moves that Ax could not. Crush was younger, only a few years younger than Darsow. Crush was a better athlete and could do more impressive feats in the ring.
I love OG Demolition, but there was nothing wrong with Crush except that he wasn't Ax, and that bothered people.
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Post by tirtefaa on Apr 30, 2024 11:55:57 GMT -5
Ax and Smash had a unique contrast that made them each special at a time when tag teams needed that. I don't think either stood out from the other, it was just a preference on who you preferred.
When they added Crush, I looked at him as a downgraded Smash. I don't even remember any of his work around this time because it felt so forgettable.
The funny thing about Crush in WWF was that he somehow worked as a face. I liked him as Kona Crush and he was over as heck in DOA. But whenever he was a heel, I just couldn't care less.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Apr 30, 2024 12:02:33 GMT -5
Crush and Smash would have worked just fine if it wasn't for the booking, which torpedo-ed them bad. I didn't mind the heel turn, that was kind of needed anyway since the Roid Warriors (Ooooh, edgy! ) were coming in, but at least keep them as badasses so that ultimately beating them means something. I quite like the hooded S/M gimp look, too. As been previously mentioned, I too, think Crush is better than Ax, at least by mid-1990, but not for their work in 87-WM VI. Ax and Smash were on fire that time period.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Apr 30, 2024 12:07:24 GMT -5
No offense to Ax, but Crush was better by almost any metric. Crush had better looking strikes. Crush could do a decent looking sidekick. Crush was bigger, stronger, and could pull off power moves that Ax could not. Crush was younger, only a few years younger than Darsow. Crush was a better athlete and could do more impressive feats in the ring. I love OG Demolition, but there was nothing wrong with Crush except that he wasn't Ax, and that bothered people.I mean you're right - when you add a new member to a band or group, everyone typically hates them To play armchair QB, Smash should have turned on Ax and either formed a slightly different tag team or do like the Sith in Star Wars do, and build a process where Demolition have a war like mentality where when someone becomes weak, they are eliminated for someone better. When you add a 3rd guy and you start losing all the time, it will just come off as "less than"
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Post by chronocross on Apr 30, 2024 12:14:22 GMT -5
I didn't mind Crush being added to Demolition, they just needed some harder theme music as the one they used after the Demolition theme was a crowd killer.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 30, 2024 13:25:41 GMT -5
I didn't mind Crush being added to Demolition, they just needed some harder theme music as the one they used after the Demolition theme was a crowd killer. It wasn't a BAD song, but it just wasn't...Demolition. That and WWF had a perfectly good version of the Demolition theme without lyrics, that lay stagnant those last 3 years: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHsfA3se8rY&list=RDUHsfA3se8rY&start_radio=1
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 30, 2024 13:28:17 GMT -5
Now, I get that they needed a "new" Demolition so they could pull off the LOD feud. But what if not? How do you write off Ax and what do you do with Smash as a singles wrestler maybe??
Do you create Repo Man a year earlier? Or...?
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Post by Stu on Apr 30, 2024 13:38:54 GMT -5
I just wanna know if you all think Mark Callous was better than Sid Vicious in the Skyscrapers.
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Post by tafkaga on Apr 30, 2024 14:11:00 GMT -5
I just wanna know if you all think Mark Callous was better than Sid Vicious in the Skyscrapers. Yes and no. Sid was the reason to watch the Skyscrapers, but also the reason why the Skyscrapers sucked. Had they started with Mark and Dan instead, I think they might have had a higher ceiling to become a Demolition/LOD/Doom caliber badass team.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 30, 2024 23:14:38 GMT -5
I think it depends on your expectations. Was Crush a step down? Yeah. But if you don't add him, you basically have to end the team earlier, given he was added for a reason in the first place.
It's sort of like asking if Heidenreich being a Road Warrior should have been done. The answer is, you kinda HAD to if you're going to employ Animal because what the hell else is he going to be doing?
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Post by wildojinx on Apr 30, 2024 23:22:50 GMT -5
Crush was pretty cool, but would have worked better as a singles guy. As for what to do when Ax gets injured, maybe have Barbarian and Haku beat Demolition on an SNME or Superstars (both had history with Demolition anyway), then have the Harts beat them at Summerslam, if Ax gets better by WM7, have them turn heel and win the belts back then, and then you have the original Demolition vs LOD feud that everybody wanted.
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Post by jason1980s on May 1, 2024 0:45:46 GMT -5
As Gorilla would say it's one of those things "that was a good idea at the time." With his look and size, I can see why he was chosen. But he just had no charisma except for babyface Kona version. Just about everything else he did fell flat but Vince kept bringing him back on for some reason. I've heard because he was tight with Macho Man and Undertaker.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 1, 2024 2:54:04 GMT -5
Yes, they needed someone intimidating who could take some of the workload from Ax, given he was banged up and the WWF schedule was HEAVY at that point in time. The three man team also gave them a dynamic no other on the roster had at that time, plus it gave Crush two veterans to learn from and hide his shortcomings for a while.
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Post by dirtyoldman on May 1, 2024 5:50:47 GMT -5
Crush was a good bit bigger than Smash and I don't think that really works too good for a team unless both members look (or maybe wrestle)quite different. Diesel and Shawn were different, xpac and kane were different and even the Collosal Connection were different. Crush looked just like a bigger version of Smash.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 1, 2024 6:55:03 GMT -5
I think it depends on your expectations. Was Crush a step down? Yeah. But if you don't add him, you basically have to end the team earlier, given he was added for a reason in the first place. It's sort of like asking if Heidenreich being a Road Warrior should have been done. The answer is, you kinda HAD to if you're going to employ Animal because what the hell else is he going to be doing? He could be doing this:
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