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Post by LiamMcDuggle on May 10, 2024 1:01:29 GMT -5
Read both Becky's and Ronda's book and just wanted to share my perspective, as both talk about a lot of the same things.
Becky's was clearly written by her, while Ronda used a ghostwriter. There is nothing inherently wrong with using a ghostwriter, but you can tell it isn't written in Ronda's voice whatsoever. There are a few conflicting stories in each book and I mainly think that is caused by Ronda's author tying logic strings together to make the book a better read.
I also think the group that published Ronda's book designed the book to be a "tell all" tabloid style, while Becky's book is more just a narrative of her perspective. Ronda's book just comes off as a collection of incidents that was everyone else's fault.
One BIG contrast from the two books is Becky shows real remorse for making mistakes and ending friendships because of her own immaturity. I don't think Ronda takes responsibility for anything. As per Becky's book, the company did not trust Ronda to have a Wrestlemania main event alone with Becky and Ronda refusing to tap out and then botching the finish to their main event showed that theory to be true. Ronda seems tone deaf to the fact she was too green, nor did she even take responsibility for the botched finish, whereas Becky talks about having a pit in her stomach because she feels the botch got the ref in trouble (I can't remember if I read that in the book or if it was from one of her interviews).
Becky's book paints Ronda as not really understanding the business as a whole. I think Ronda talking in her book that she wanted to have a cinematic street fight for the Wrestlemania Main Event (like Goldust vs Piper) against Becky showed that. Why would a fan pay hundreds of dollars and wait 7 hours through a show to see a mostly pre-recorded match?
The one consistent thing in both books is the weird culture that was there when VKM was in charge. As a whole, I don't think Ronda really loved professional wrestling and seems bitter she did not come off as a bigger star. I think she was very insulated with agents and a good team at UFC and she was really caught off guard by WWE's weird corporate structure, whereas Becky loves the business and learned to work through the corporate culture.
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Post by theironyuppie on May 10, 2024 1:23:15 GMT -5
Read both Becky's and Ronda's book and just wanted to share my perspective, as both talk about a lot of the same things. Becky's was clearly written by her, while Ronda used a ghostwriter. There is nothing inherently wrong with using a ghostwriter, but you can tell it isn't written in Ronda's voice whatsoever. There are a few conflicting stories in each book and I mainly think that is caused by Ronda's author tying logic strings together to make the book a better read. I also think the group that published Ronda's book designed the book to be a "tell all" tabloid style, while Becky's book is more just a narrative of her perspective. Ronda's book just comes off as a collection of incidents that was everyone else's fault. One BIG contrast from the two books is Becky shows real remorse for making mistakes and ending friendships because of her own immaturity. I don't think Ronda takes responsibility for anything. As per Becky's book, the company did not trust Ronda to have a Wrestlemania main event alone with Becky and Ronda refusing to tap out and then botching the finish to their main event showed that theory to be true. Ronda seems tone deaf to the fact she was too green, nor did she even take responsibility for the botched finish, whereas Becky talks about having a pit in her stomach because she feels the botch got the ref in trouble (I can't remember if I read that in the book or if it was from one of her interviews). Becky's book paints Ronda as not really understanding the business as a whole. I think Ronda talking in her book that she wanted to have a cinematic street fight for the Wrestlemania Main Event (like Goldust vs Piper) against Becky showed that. Why would a fan pay hundreds of dollars and wait 7 hours through a show to see a mostly pre-recorded match? The one consistent thing in both books is the weird culture that was there when VKM was in charge. As a whole, I don't think Ronda really loved professional wrestling and seems bitter she did not come off as a bigger star. I think she was very insulated with agents and a good team at UFC and she was really caught off guard by WWE's weird corporate structure, whereas Becky loves the business and learned to work through the corporate culture.
Interestingly, Becky is pretty complimentary of Ronda in other regards though--her harshest criticism of her was in an interview rather than in the book itself. There she talks about how Ronda was surprisingly cool with her social media attacks and promos, giving her fairly free reign with little off limits. That's in the build to Survivor Series 2018 at least. While I enjoyed Becky's memoir and you can clearly see her authorial voice, the book in my opinion starts eliding a lot of detail from late 2018/early 2019, which is a shame as it makes the latter parts of the book feel rushed, and would have been interesting material. We don't get an idea on whether Ronda's attitude towards Becky's social media had become less relaxed by the time it really got going again in early 2019 (complete with those photoshops), and although Becky concedes that she went too far in her attacks on Charlotte, she also notably leaves out the parts mocking Charlotte's plastic surgery/appearance that most likely hurt her. Becky also talks about her issues with Creative in 2019 and mentions getting into a lot of arguments with them because she was getting paranoid about whether she'd be presented as 'weak', but she doesn't reflect on whether that gave her any perspective on how Charlotte had been back when she had the top spot.
As for the culture, it's also a victim of timing in that Becky's picture of Vince would likely have been at least a bit different had the book been finished a few months later. She generally praises him and tries to show him as ultimately reasonable (even the anecdote of him going off at her over allegedly no-selling Lacey's punch the night after WM 35 includes his apology the next day), including an unfortunate turn of phrase where she talks about how he doesn't "dwell on s**t".
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 10, 2024 2:11:27 GMT -5
For those without Twitter access, here's a transcript of the thread. Put it in quotes so it'll be easier just to c/p parts for posts. I remember fans being all in on the idea of WWE Horsewomen vs. MMA Horsewomen. She's never heard of Botchamania, has she? Thanks, appreciate that. So in summary - she didn't like plans for her with Bazler - her ideas were shot down or not implemented exactly as she wanted. - plans changed all the time (yeah, this is WWE) - her time got cut short in lieu of the hottest wrestling angle in the last 20 years, and the hottest female act winning the big one. OK. - was thought of well enough to be asked to make a one off appearance at an important morning talk show in America (at least to my knowledge) - Heyman and Pritchard are occasionally dicks. Breaking news. More at 11. - There was a power play between H and McMahon and she wasn't direct collateral. - Edit - WM39 - She had an injury so WWE looked out for her safety and asked her not to do much? Is this a complaint or a statement? Sounds like sour grapes moreso than anything else.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on May 10, 2024 2:19:23 GMT -5
Some tall tales there which is par for the course when a wrestler opens their mouth but the bits about Heyman being a yes man who keeps fobbing her off ring true. The guy has never struck me as someone with much of an interest in woman’s wrestling and Mr Counterculture has never met a corporate arse he didn’t feel like licking.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 10, 2024 10:31:07 GMT -5
John Lauranitis can get a dick example 30561
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on May 10, 2024 10:41:23 GMT -5
I will say, I do believe her about the Bruce stuff. Like I'm kinda shocked he's still around.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on May 10, 2024 10:42:15 GMT -5
Honestly, kinda respect Ronda a bit more after some of these grievances. I mean, they can't all be lies. And some of these seem very too on point for the company.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 10, 2024 12:29:08 GMT -5
I will say, I do believe her about the Bruce stuff. Like I'm kinda shocked he's still around. I mean even if that were true about Bruce, it’s not exactly some type of deplorable behavior necessitating firing. More of him being cowardly when called out on something by talent higher up the food chain.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on May 10, 2024 12:52:15 GMT -5
The one consistent thing in both books is the weird culture that was there when VKM was in charge. As a whole, I don't think Ronda really loved professional wrestling and seems bitter she did not come off as a bigger star. I think she was very insulated with agents and a good team at UFC and she was really caught off guard by WWE's weird corporate structure, whereas Becky loves the business and learned to work through the corporate culture. Ronda likes, maybe loves, wrestling, she just hates the bullshit. She's worked a few indie shots and did ROH a bit back. I think you give her time to create and have fun and she's fine.
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Post by J is Justice on May 10, 2024 13:31:49 GMT -5
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Post by froggyfrog on May 10, 2024 14:32:03 GMT -5
Whining about Roman entrances is crazy. Ronda wanting that AEW Fight Forever 4 second entrance so she can have longer boring matches 😭
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Post by Bo Rida on May 10, 2024 17:10:03 GMT -5
It must have been so frustrating working there in Vinces final years, all the odd couple teams down the years but Ronda and Shayna being friends is confusing?
That said as much as the women have to suffer a lot of shit from fans (see Skye blue this week) and understand how that gets them defensive I really hate how precious some of them can get, complaining about basic negative reactions (as opposed to abuse) puts women’s wrestling backwards. Men get crap for botches, male or female it’s often down to the degree of difficulty, general skill level and what show its on. They’re going to be more forgiving of Richochet botching a flippy move than an Nia Jax match breaking down. A woman starting out in nxt is going to get a more forgiving reaction than a high profile s.slam match. Same energy as Rhea and Britt moaning about fans booing a crap match they’d paid 100s of dollars to see.
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Post by asuka007 on May 10, 2024 18:02:33 GMT -5
I mean let’s be honest, it’s not like a lot of fans (both here and elsewhere) haven’t complained for a long time now about how ridiculously long Roman’s entrances are.
Ronda is hardly alone in that regard.
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Post by asuka007 on May 10, 2024 18:03:29 GMT -5
The booking being s*** couldn’t possibly have been the reason. No sir-re. 🙄
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